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TheGrayMan2001

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Obesity really is about the food you eat. Sure, some people have better genes that others, but have you ever watched how much fat people eat? It's a sh*t ton.

male pattern baldness Hair loss, on the other hand, is entirely genetic.
 

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Dedge89 said:
I have a friend who always makes comments about overweight people such as 'why don't they eat vegetables, why are they so greedy, they need to sort themselves out' and when I'd try explain to him that for the general populus factors such as a stable body weight and type are pretty much mostly defined by genetics, such as are characteristics like height, he says thats massive B.S and it's almost purely down to the food they eat -_-

Well your friend is absolutely right. Weight gain does come down to what you eat and how you eat. I travel to Europe a lot especially countries like Ukraine, Sweden, Hungary where people in general eat natural foods in much smaller portions. And let me tell you, if you see an overweight woman or man in their 20's or 30's you'll stop and look because it's so uncommon. Then I go to U.S. or England and I'm absolutely disgusted with the way people look and then I look at their diets and I can see why they look the way they do.

Genes might play some role in it but it's negligible compared to the role that genetics play in hairloss.
 

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Guys, guys, guys...I did not claim obesity is purely down to genetics or anything of that sort. Your body type IS determined to an extent genetically. Theres three theoritical types, endomorph, ectomorph and mesomorph. It definitely holds, I've lived with quite a few people in my life and got to know their diet as well as mine. There would be guys who I would out eat on a daily basis in regards to carbohydrates and proteins, and would go to gym reguarly and they would never go and they'd have naturally a bigger muscle mass and frame. Works vice versa, there's guys who have hit the gym way harder than me and take shakes and creatine and I'm naturally bigger than them still. Some guys I've lived with don't even eat alot but are generally way more chubbier than the others, also like how some guys have chubbier faces in relation to their body. These factors are predetermined, the ratio of where your body will store fat is predetermined. Like I said you can change that easily by a range of +/- X% hence why you get obese/malnutritioned people from bad diet.

I went through a period of my life where I was eating over 4000 calories a day, mostly consisting of foods ridiculously high in saturated fats and alot of chocolate/sugary items. I got abit chubbier for a while but it wasn't even noticeable on a large scale and was really just an inch round my waist, which disappeared rapidly when I started eating normal again. The only time my body really changed was when I forced it to with heavy weight training and a sh*t load of protein and carbs and even then it was slow progression compared to some of my other friends who didn't even do half the calorie consumption/work I did. My body is determined genetically to stay around this body fat/weight area and it takes really extreme measures to even change it abit. A high fat content diet hardly changed my frame at all, it's unfair to assume all overweight people have caused it upon themselves because it's just not true. If this was the case I deserve the punishment of being considered overweight and careless towards my personal health/image in societies eyes for my eating sins.

Americans and Europeans are especially bad as their bodies tend to swing towards the general male being mesomorph/endomorph anyway, especially English/Americans. Combined with their bad diet ofcourse this would swing them into the overweight criteria. People often ignore the other side though, there's people who are really underweight and will try their hardest to overeat and gain significant mass and it doesn't happen. Theres also people who could be considered larger/overweight and I know FOR A FACT their diets are not bad enough to justify their weight proportionally.

Ofcourse the proportion to hair loss isn't the same and I didn't claim so... It was a rough analogy at best and perhaps a stupid one. What I was trying to get at is that even though we are purely doomed to male pattern baldness due to genetical reasons, certain lifestyle and dietary choices could easily ACCELERATE that process and therefore from that statement I can conclude that other lifestyle choies and dietary choices can work in way that you aren't accelerating it and possible even to an extent delaying it slightly. Let's be real, alot of people will have lifestyles that are more likely not helping their hairloss, especially people in the 20s age range, therefore if we take that to be the standard for a set amount of people it is fair to conclude that if they change their lifestyle around it would have a positive effect on their hair.

Although it goes to say by having a diet catered to hair health, popping biotin pills, driking green tea, taking saw palmetto and not smoking/drinking will have nowhere near the same effect on your hair as would having a taylored diet and regime towards your general body, that I agree on. But I'm sure to an extent it would make a difference for your hair though perhaps you're right and it's almost insignificant. Nothing like Finasteride and minoxidil at the end of the day. :salut:
 

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This guy i work with (pic below) is in his mid 40's and has a very healthy lifestle (slim, no smoking etc), and his hair hasn't suffered at all- in fact we often make fun of it for that reason, lol. Maybe it is partly to do with diet and excerise after all.[attachment=0:2obcg1mg]IMG-20111219-01450.jpg[/attachment:2obcg1mg]
 

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Maybe it is partly to do with diet and excerise after all.

Yeah, maybe, but it's like 99% genetic. If someone's destined to go bald, he'll go bald. There are also people with VERY unhealthy lifestyle who have full mops of hair.
 

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stew30 said:
This guy i work with (pic below) is in his mid 40's and has a very healthy lifestle (slim, no smoking etc), and his hair hasn't suffered at all- in fact we often make fun of it for that reason, lol. Maybe it is partly to do with diet and excerise after all.[attachment=0:2c0eeth3]IMG-20111219-01450.jpg[/attachment:2c0eeth3]

Or maybe if you ask him he'll confirm that theres just no hairloss in his family.
How come the race with the best hair (mexican) is also the race with the reputation for the worst health.
You might aswell try to link height with diet and lifestyle.
 

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They do say that if you lift very heavy when your body is still growing it can stop the growing process... But that's all I know... :whistle:
 

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Or maybe if you ask him he'll confirm that theres just no hairloss in his family.
How come the race with the best hair (mexican) is also the race with the reputation for the worst health.
You might aswell try to link height with diet and lifestyle.[/quote]

agree 100% . 99% of hair loss is genetics
 

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Like I said I think lifestyle and diet can only negatively affect your hair for the most part, well atleast thats where the significant difference would come from. In that sense it would be wiser to have a better lifestyle/diet if you know you're destined for full baldness because every year is still a year of your life and if you're delaying the worst case it for those few years longer it's probably worth it.

Might be meaningless but when I started smoking and was smoking pretty heavily at one point and eating absolute crap for about 9 months my hairline and crown just rapidly got demolished. Now that I've quit smoking and eat proper its looking alot better but the timing could just be coincidental with the proper gains from finasteride/Minoxidil..

As for that dudes picture he probably is safe from male pattern baldness genetically. He seems to have absolutely minimal balding. Kind of the reverse of those guys who don't take care of themselves and smoke/drink like mad and have perfect hair too.

male pattern baldness is definitely 99 if not 100% genetical. However I think the speed it develops at and even possibly the degree of damage at some stages could be affected by lifestyle/dietary choices to an extent.
 

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As for that dudes picture he probably is safe from male pattern baldness genetically. He seems to have absolutely minimal balding.

I checked with him and he says there is male pattern baldness in the family, so maybe the theory is not so clear after all!
 

s.a.f

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stew30 said:
As for that dudes picture he probably is safe from male pattern baldness genetically. He seems to have absolutely minimal balding.

I checked with him and he says there is male pattern baldness in the family, so maybe the theory is not so clear after all!


Well he obviously did'nt inherit it. There are NW1's with NW6 younger brothers both of whom grew up living the same lifestyle and diet. It only takes one person in your background to have the gene and you could be unlucky enough to inherit it.
 

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Dedge89 said:
..However I think the speed it develops at and even possibly the degree of damage at some stages could be affected by lifestyle/dietary choices to an extent.

Well stated.
 

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How diet continually comes up and gets debated I am not really sure. There are so many examples of athletes or even twins where one had a very healthy life style and they bald equally unless one is on some real treatment. Its nearly 100 percent genetic and one step in the process is driven by androgens. Its much more complicated then just androgens though and your life style makes little to no difference period. Its just coincidence trying to link them together because proof exists that even twins with different diets lose the same amount of hair generally its just genetics.
 
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