www.lipoxidil.com's flutamide/dutasteride topicals?

[thin=depressed]

I've gotten alot of flack in the past by scoffers of the idea of flut/dutasteride topically applied. I'm surprised at the lack of posted interest in these products on this large forum.

 

[eliazush]

Hi,

I was very interested in the products of lipoxidil.com. But I am very scepticle as fot their claim for real liposomes. I have also heard that their costumer service sucks, so at this stage I prefer to stay away from their products untill others try them and give good testimonials.

My opinion about topical flutamid and dutasteride (these are my opinion based on theory as a pharmacist and also based on hunch, but others can be free to think differently):

1. Dutasteride is not active topically. It needs to be absorbed into the blood in order to inhibit the alpha reductase. I am afraid that the DHT that gets to the scalp and hair follicle is synthesized in other parts of the body NOT at or near hair follicle, hence local application of dutasteride won't do anything unless it's absorbed. If dutasteride is really absorbed through the scalp (I don't know if there had been researches about its dermal absorption) it makes no difference then, between taking it orally or applying it.
I am afraid it's not like the minoxidil situation, where applying it topically have minimized adverse reactions because minoxidil DOES affect locally on hair follicle.

2. Flutamid should very helpful and it does affect locally (it blocks the AR just similar to spironolactone, but much more efficiently). However it can cause serious side effects and I would be very reluctant to apply it on my scalp without studies done as for its systemic absorption through the skin.

I personally use Fluridil, which is quite similar to Flutamid (probabley less potent than flutamid, but more potent than spironolactone). There had been studies done about its zero systemic absorption and I feel safe to apply it every day.

I am not saying the other products of lipoxidil.com are worthless but they are too expensive and are based on good stuff yet unexperienced.
I will wait to see if other people here use it. Only then will I consider to use any of their products.

 

[d_umberly]

I personally use Fluridil, which is quite similar to Flutamid (probabley less potent than flutamid, but more potent than spironolactone). There had been studies done about its zero systemic absorption and I feel safe to apply it every day.

Very interesting a pharmacist who uses Fluridil. Would you be so kind as to answer two questions for me?

1. Have you had results with Fluridil?
2. If so how soon?

Thanks

 

[eliazush]

Hi,

I have started to use Fluridil two months ago. Not enough time to see regrowth. I have noticed, however, that my shed had decreased. I am very optimistic about it. I will let you know how my treatment goes. I am waiting 6 months to see if there is any chnage in my hairloss.

 

[d_umberly]

Hi,

I have started to use Fluridil two months ago. Not enough time to see regrowth. I have noticed, however, that my shed had decreased. I am very optimistic about it. I will let you know how my treatment goes. I am waiting 6 months to see if there is any chnage in my hairloss.

Yes much too soon to judge. Please do let us all know how you fare.

I find a Pharmacist's opinion on Fluidril being a more effective blocker than spironolactone very informative. I have been contemplating spironolactone as my next move, but now I may shift to Fluidril.

I hope you see fit to stick around the forum and add your educational background to the effort. I am basically shooting in the dark to a large extent.

Thanks for the prompt answer.

 

[Jacob]

Hi,

I was very interested in the products of lipoxidil.com. But I am very scepticle as fot their claim for real liposomes. I have also heard that their costumer service sucks, so at this stage I prefer to stay away from their products untill others try them and give good testimonials.




I am not saying the other products of lipoxidil.com are worthless but they are too expensive and are based on good stuff yet unexperienced.
I will wait to see if other people here use it. Only then will I consider to use any of their products.

I don't think you have to worry about whether or not they're "real liposomes". This is brought up all the time and somebody was even so sure of himself he was going to have them tested and he was going to expose Lipoxidil. That was well over a year ago. Nothing became of it.


Same with the prices. It's either they're too expensive or if they were "real liposomes" they'd be even more expensive. :shock:

 

[viperfish]

Stay away from lipoxidil. They are fuckin scam artists!

 

[thin=depressed]

Stay away from lipoxidil. They are fuckin scam artists!

That has crossed my mind just by viewing thier large list of products you can see that they are just interested in shear number of customers and not a genuine product. Also, seems like they have been scanning sites like this for ideas.

 

[d_umberly]

Stay away from lipoxidil. They are fuckin scam artists!

That has crossed my mind just by viewing thier large list of products you can see that they are just interested in shear number of customers and not a genuine product. Also, seems like they have been scanning sites like this for ideas.

Thin, Bismark made that comment sometime back, he stated, if I remember correctly, that Lipoxidil had ripped of the ideas others had in Germany.

Apparently they look for guys like you who have novel approaches and F*%*%ing steal them. I would not be surprised to see one of your trial regimens show up on their site at some point. If it walks like a duck.....

 

[Jacob]

Oh would you kids grow up. Damned if they do..damned if they don't. Now we're complaining that they're making topicals ppl are interested in. Oh..but they're "stealing" them :roll:

And all those companies out there with so many products.....stay away from them :shock:

 

[thin=depressed]

I'm not bitching. I really don't concern myself with thier thieving ways but I did note it regardless. If they are making money good for them.

 

[d_umberly]

Oh would you kids grow up. Damned if they do..damned if they don't. Now we're complaining that they're making topicals ppl are interested in. Oh..but they're "stealing" them :roll:

And all those companies out there with so many products.....stay away from them :shock:

Grow up, well if that means be gullible then I will pass.

gul·li·ble )
adj.

Easily deceived or duped.

Is it not heard of that people copy others? Worse yet with no proof of effectiveness sell it for a profit? I contend that is the rule not the exception when it comes to hair re-growth products and many other types of products for that matter.

Having said that there are scientifially proven re-growth products, and we all know which ones those are if we have read the forums.

Oh well perhaps I am a;

cyn·ic
n.

1. A person who believes all people are motivated by selfishness.
2. A person whose outlook is scornfully and often habitually negative.

I'd rather think of myself as an "informed consumer".

Oh by the way have you purchased their products? If so which ones and what were the results? Maybe you could tell us what has worked for you. You know be constructive and add something to the dialog.

Good Luck and this is the end of this conversation on my part.

 

[Jacob]

Be constructive? YOU'RE telling ME to be constructive?

I actually have been. I'm pointing out the flaws in the logic some of you are using. Reread what I've said..and if you have evidence supporting your complaints or claims then please share them. The only one I agree with and there's evidence for is their lousy customer service. And that's coming from someone who's been accused of working for them(ask Farrel). But I can think of a # of other companies with lousy service that have great products.

Is "sorry, can't say" good service? (for those who've been around awhile)

I've used their Genistil-R...and lipo SOD and their zinc/gse/etc combo in the past. Still use their Inflamil..which btw has gotten great reviews in these kinds of forums. 1 or 2 were allergic to it or something..the only negs I've seen on it. And I'm still very interested in what they're working on next..would especially like to see/try their liposomal SOD when they make it available again.

 

[d_umberly]

Be constructive? YOU'RE telling ME to be constructive?

I actually have been. I'm pointing out the flaws in the logic some of you are using. Reread what I've said..and if you have evidence supporting your complaints or claims then please share them. The only one I agree with and there's evidence for is their lousy customer service. And that's coming from someone who's been accused of working for them(ask Farrel). But I can think of a # of other companies with lousy service that have great products.

Is "sorry, can't say" good service? (for those who've been around awhile)

I've used their Genistil-R...and lipo SOD and their zinc/gse/etc combo in the past. Still use their Inflamil..which btw has gotten great reviews in these kinds of forums. 1 or 2 were allergic to it or something..the only negs I've seen on it. And I'm still very interested in what they're working on next..would especially like to see/try their liposomal SOD when they make it available again.

Had you made these statements earlier in this thread I would have responded differently. I took your comments as sarcasm coming from someone looking for an argument, statements like "grow up" are inflammatory and you know that.

What we have now is what was needed, your informed opinon. I will be forced to re-think my position and research their products a bit better. Please post your results if you try the new product.

I can assure you that I am interested in products that work.

Later

 

[Jacob]

I was responding to such comments such as

Stay away from lipoxidil. They are fuckin scam artists!

It wasn't my first post in this thread.

But yeah..in the post you're referring to..I was being sarcastic :wink:

 

[d_umberly]

I was responding to such comments such as

Stay away from lipoxidil. They are fuckin scam artists!

It wasn't my first post in this thread.

But yeah..in the post you're referring to..I was being sarcastic :wink:

Point taken.