Why I decided not to include minoxidil in my regimen

[The Gardener]

minoxidil is like a pact with the devil...

No more of a pact than is brushing one's teeth.

If you don't brush your teeth at least once, and preferrably twice a day they will fall out.

minoxidil takes half the time to apply than it does for me to brush my teeth. Just as the 3 minutes I take to brush my teeth keeps them in, the minute I spend dropping a few drops of minoxidil in keeps my hair in. I don't understand why it is so difficult a thing to do?

 

[ShedMaster]

That's good to hear, Bruce and Shedmaster. I'll definitely give l-arginine a try! I'd like to try the GNC stuff, but I'd have to order it online since I live in Korea. The shipping might be kind of expensive. I've got a Korean friend checking on the availability of l-arginine in here.
I wonder why the GNC megaman vitamins work so well? What's the active ingredient that gets you all sexually functional, so to speak?
HairLossTalk.com, any comment?
Shedmaster, let me know how the vitamins work for you and also if you experience any shed like HairLossTalk.com mentioned in a previous thread.

where is the thread where he stated this? Perhaps that is because they contain saw palmetto in them?

 

[ShedMaster]

minoxidil is like a pact with the devil...

No more of a pact than is brushing one's teeth.

If you don't brush your teeth at least once, and preferrably twice a day they will fall out.

minoxidil takes half the time to apply than it does for me to brush my teeth. Just as the 3 minutes I take to brush my teeth keeps them in, the minute I spend dropping a few drops of minoxidil in keeps my hair in. I don't understand why it is so difficult a thing to do?

Exactly, it becomes part of your daily routine, like putting on socks and taking a shower. Shaving is a pain in the *** everyday, but do you really even give it a second thought? Besides many have been able to use with 1 dose of minoxidil per day for maintenance.

 

[Bryan]

Yes on the arginine for erections thing. 2 GMs at bed time.

If you're also using it for GH release, I'd suggest taking it first thing in the morning after getting up. Of course, you'll have to postpone breakfast for a while if you do that.

Bryan

 

[Yardbird]

Shedmaster,
I'll try to look for that thread, but if you want to find it yourself, I think it was titled something like "guys, I'm having trouble keeping a boner!" Sorry for that title
In that thread, HairLossTalk.com suggested getting on the megaman multivitamins for a few days at a time because they were really strong and because he experienced a shed. Is that because of the saw palmetto? I don't think so because there's only 50 grams of it in one serving. That's less that 1/6 the amount in one capsule of SP that you buy at the store.

Bryan,
If I'm not mistaken, I've heard many times that you're supposed to take the l-arginine one hour before sleep, not after, to raise your human growth hormones. Isn't that right?

 

[Guest]

Yes on the arginine for erections thing. 2 GMs at bed time.

If you're also using it for GH release, I'd suggest taking it first thing in the morning after getting up. Of course, you'll have to postpone breakfast for a while if you do that.

Bryan

No, not really for GH release. I use it to maintain and enhance nocturnal erections, an essential part of normal erection maint.

Works like a charm.

 

[Bryan]

Brian,
If I'm not mistaken, I've heard many times that you're supposed to take the l-arginine one hour before sleep, not after, to raise your human growth hormones. Isn't that right?

In my humble opinion, no. That's been an often-repeated claim for years, and I've gone around and around with other people who believe in doing it that way. But for various reasons I don't want to get into now, I think it's better and more convenient to take it first thing in the morning upon arising.

Bryan

 

[Guest]

Brian,
If I'm not mistaken, I've heard many times that you're supposed to take the l-arginine one hour before sleep, not after, to raise your human growth hormones. Isn't that right?

In my humble opinion, no. That's been an often-repeated claim for years, and I've gone around and around with other people who believe in doing it that way. But for various reasons I don't want to get into now, I think it's better and more convenient to take it first thing in the morning upon arising.

Bryan

There are some old studies and some articles written by Pearson and Shaw that support this notion. However, arginine as growth hormone stimulant is controversial to say the least.

As an adjunct to erection, my experience is very clear that it works and in doses as small as 2 Gms.

BTW-Glutamine has been shown in several studies to stimulate GH with as little as 2 Gm doses.

Before exercise or at bedtime.

Good night all.

:hairy:

 

[Yardbird]

So, then maybe the best is for me to take l-arginine, which I still haven't gotten a hold of yet due to my busy Korean friend, in the morning when I was up, and according to Bruce Lee, excercise.
Bryan, how long should I wait before eating?
Bruce, are you using both supplements. How are they affecting you, other than the erection part, which is undoubtedly a nice effect?
Bryan, are you on l-arg? How's it working for you?

Off the topic here, I've been on Revivogen for about two months, and I know that's not long enough to observe any difference except shedding. Bryan, you're on some kind of homeade revivogen right? How's it working for you? I gathered from your posts that you think this stuff works, right?
You seem to have a lot of knowledge, are you in the medical profession?

 

[Guest]

So, then maybe the best is for me to take l-arginine, which I still haven't gotten a hold of yet due to my busy Korean friend, in the morning when I was up, and according to Bruce Lee, excercise.
Bryan, how long should I wait before eating?
Bruce, are you using both supplements. How are they affecting you, other than the erection part, which is undoubtedly a nice effect?
Bryan, are you on l-arg? How's it working for you?

Off the topic here, I've been on Revivogen for about two months, and I know that's not long enough to observe any difference except shedding. Bryan, you're on some kind of homeade revivogen right? How's it working for you? I gathered from your posts that you think this stuff works, right?
You seem to have a lot of knowledge, are you in the medical profession?

I use Gluamine before workouts on an empty stomach. Seems to be fine but I don't think you will ever notice results as obtained in the Rudman study, for obvious reasons. Glutamine has other health advantages.

Arginine works fine as intended.

 

[MidnightFlyer]

No, not really for GH release. I use it to maintain and enhance nocturnal erections, an essential part of normal erection maint.

...Normal erection maintenance? Are you kidding me? What do you end up doing with that hard thing?

 

[Guest]

No, not really for GH release. I use it to maintain and enhance nocturnal erections, an essential part of normal erection maint.

...Normal erection maintenance? Are you kidding me? What do you end up doing with that hard thing?

It is a very long story................ :lol:

 

[Yardbird]

Shedmaster,
Did you ever get on the Megaman vitamins? I'm having a hell of a time getting this L-arginine in Korea. I found a supplement that contained a small amount 200 mg of l-arg and also contained similar amounts of various other amino acids.
I haven't given up however...but I'm still curious about maybe ordering these GNC megaman vitamins..
Waiting to hear from Shedmaster before my big trip to Myanmar......
2 weeks to go!

 

[Yardbird]

Bryan,
In the Vera Prince study you posted on this thread, you showed a chart that indicated the weight and number of hair after starting and even stopping minoxidil. I'm wondering what hair is being studied. Is the focus on just the vertex or is the whole head?

Could you post the entire study to which the graph relates?

Actually, I think you've got a ton of great research on your site, all you need is a homepage with links, and tons of people (like me) could get good research from you. I'd really appreciate it, if it's not too much trouble.

Thanks.

 

[ShedMaster]

Shedmaster,
Did you ever get on the Megaman vitamins? I'm having a hell of a time getting this L-arginine in Korea. I found a supplement that contained a small amount 200 mg of l-arg and also contained similar amounts of various other amino acids.
I haven't given up however...but I'm still curious about maybe ordering these GNC megaman vitamins..
Waiting to hear from Shedmaster before my big trip to Myanmar......
2 weeks to go!

honesly no I have not tried the vitamins as of yet. I will try them when my other multivitamins runs out. If you can GNC vitamins, can't you also get the L-arginine? Many companies make this in pill and powder form.

 

[Yardbird]

No that's the problem, I can't get GNC stuff here in Korea, so I'll have to try something like mail order using the internet.
Of course, I'd rather just get it at the store, but that's still uncertain...

 

[Bryan]

Bryan,
In the Vera Prince study you posted on this thread, you showed a chart that indicated the weight and number of hair after starting and even stopping minoxidil. I'm wondering what hair is being studied. Is the focus on just the vertex or is the whole head?

That particular study was a bit unusual in that its test area (probably the traditional 1-inch circle, but I'd have to dig the study out again to be sure) was on the top of the head, but toward the anterior (front) part of it.

Could you post the entire study to which the graph relates?

I haven't scanned the entire study, because it's quite long...about 11 pages or so. Those scans eat up a lot of storage space, and all I have is my free Geocities account!

Actually, I think you've got a ton of great research on your site, all you need is a homepage with links, and tons of people (like me) could get good research from you. I'd really appreciate it, if it's not too much trouble.

I'll tell you what I _will_ do, which is post all the links (and brief descriptions) of what I currently have (everyone's gonna overload my Geocities account, now!)....most are obvious what they're about, just from their titles and the brief descriptions:

http://www.geocities.com/bryan50001/graph8.htm (long-term DHT suppression from finasteride)

http://www.geocities.com/bryan50001/dutasteride ... ow-res.htm (99k)
http://www.geocities.com/bryan50001/dutasteride ... gh-res.htm (420k)

http://www.geocities.com/bryan50001/spironolactone.html (spironolactone cream vs. spironolactone solution)
http://www.geocities.com/bryan50001/spiro2.htm (Italian topical spironolactone study)
http://www.geocities.com/bryan50001/RU58841a.htm (RU58841 study with macaques)
http://www.geocities.com/bryan50001/RU_recipe.htm ("recipe" for RU58841)

http://www.geocities.com/bryan50001/cyclosporin.htm (topical cyclosporin)

http://www.geocities.com/bryan50001/min ... growth.htm (before-and-after minoxidil pic)

http://www.geocities.com/bryan50001/dutasteride2.htm (daily-dose dutasteride graphs) (338k)
http://www.geocities.com/bryan50001/dutasteride2b.htm (small version of daily-dose graphs) (40k)

http://www.geocities.com/bryan50001/dutasteride3.htm (time to steady-state vs. dose) (46k)

http://www.geocities.com/bryan50001/dutasteride4.htm (DHT inhibition vs. drug level) (55k)

http://www.geocities.com/bryan50001/artery_ligature.htm (scalp artery ligation study)

http://www.geocities.com/bryan50001/ari ... _page1.htm (arimidex+finasteride dog study)

http://www.geocities.com/bryan50001/pse ... rodite.htm (272k)

http://www.geocities.com/bryan50001/finasteride ... anging.htm (finasteride dose-ranging study) (58k)

http://www.geocities.com/bryan50001/simple_scale.html (photo of my simple scale) (224k)

http://www.geocities.com/bryan50001/finasteride-minoxidil.htm (two new studies on finasteride and minoxidil) (604k)

http://www.geocities.com/bryan50001/quitting-minoxidil.htm (the two minoxidil graphs) (32k)

Bryan

 

[x5o]

I do believe things eventually get back to normal, as I have stopped and started minoxidil. on numerous occassions. Shedding has always caused me to stop treatment. I should point out though that each time I quit, the shedding almost immediately stopped and upon regrowth the hair did appear to be thicker. I know many will say, "see you should have stuck with it", but I think the continual shedding would have not been good. Maybe the stuff in short durations deep cleans and expands follicles, which leads to healthier grow back.............I suspect it does this for most. However, I believe that some individuals (myself included) can only do this "expansion and cleaning" for short durations, otherwise the continued expanding, cleaning and shedding becomes counterproductive. Just a completely unscientific, but, personal experience.

 

[Yardbird]

Bryan,
Thank you so much for that post. I'm embarrassed to say that I found the Vera Price study on this site in the research library of this HairlossTalk:
http://www.hairlosstalk.com/download/minox24.pdf
However, I am glad to see links to all your research articles since it will definitely be a great resource to everyone on this site. Perhaps, it will shed some light (no pun intended) on many of our questions, especially on proscar and minoxidil.
By the way, did you guys see the recent editorial by Dr. Sawaya?
http://www.hairlosstalk.com/newsletter/ ... le&sid=223

I thought this was really interesting because in the article she said that one application of minoxidil would probably work just as well as two per day.
Bryan, do you or anyone else wanna contribute your two cents on this one? I'm really curious what everyone has to say because you know it would be easier and more economical if minoxidil would work just as well with only one application.
One more question for you, Bryan....
Anything to report on the homeade Revivogen? How about Nano? I was thinking of trying to order some of their shampoo after hearing about your success with it.
Any thoughts? Are you still getting good results?