Why does there not seem to be a definitive answer on

[JohnC43]

whether or not weight lifting worsens your hairloss? It would seem to make sense if it boosts testosterone. What is the experience of people on here?

 

[Cassin]

its been talked to death and people refuse to accept the answers.

 

[s.a.f]

Oh yeah lifting weights = baldness definatley.

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[slurms mackenzie]

whether or not weight lifting worsens your hairloss? It would seem to make sense if it boosts testosterone. What is the experience of people on here?

I've read up on this a bit.

The following facts seem to be mentioned quite consistently

i) Intense resistance training will increase T
ii) Creatine supplementation can increase DHT
iii) Within itself this might actually not be enough to accelerate hair loss in susceptible individuals, the link has neither been proven or dis-proven, but there are studies that will back up points one and two, some of them will be referenced in this sub forum.

Personally if i were to start weight training I'd make sure tackling DHT was part of my regimen and I'd stay off the creatine, as it is I just do light aerobic stuff.

For other more first hand stories though

viewforum.php?f=36

 

[slurms mackenzie]

Oh yeah lifting weights = baldness definatley.

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That's a photo, it's proof that those people had hair in that line up, it proves nothing else. Could they have been using spironolactone, could they be using minoxidil, finasteride, they're obviously body concious.

In fact if you were to believe the 'evidence' that you've just provided, then good news everybody, weight training is clearly very very beneficial for hair, drop the propecia we've found a cure!

 

[s.a.f]

That BTW is a very old photo from before when todays treatments really existed. Those guys have obviously been training for 10+ yrs to get where there were, and no doubt taking steroids to boost their testosterone to ridiculous levels.

 

[LooseItAll]

This picture doesn't prove anything. How do you know they have the male pattern baldness gene? Working out without taking steroids(especially those DHT based) probably won't hurt significantly.

 

[s.a.f]

Thats exactly what I'm saying if you dont have the m.p.b gene you can basicly do whatever you want. If you do have it however wether you work out or not eat well or dont you'll still go bald, and the only thing thatMAYsave you is proven treatments such as finasteride. If you've got the genetics to go bald dont think that eating nothing but herbal supplements or some other bullshit will save you're hair - it wont so just get on and enjoy life rather than obbsessing about wether doing some sport will raise (very temporarily) your DHT levels.
Either that or just cut your balls off!

 

[slurms mackenzie]

Thats exactly what I'm saying if you dont have the m.p.b gene you can basicly do whatever you want. If you do have it however wether you work out or not eat well or dont you'll still go bald

Nobody is claiming that weightlifting would be the sole reason somebody went bald and if you stopped it you'd no longer go bald, i don't see how you'd feel the need to refute such ideas, upon being asked a question

"Is there a link?"


http://www.beIgraviacentre.com/blog/a-w ... r-loss025/

“Elevated levels of testosterone and excess stress, in some cases, may accelerate the condition,â€￾ Leonora said. “But only if there is a genetic predisposition to male pattern baldness.â€￾

They key word is accelerate, thing is nobody really seems to know the answer on this one, except you.

 

[s.a.f]

Accelerate it by what? Maybe you'll hit that NW6 a few months earlier if you're a hardcore weightlifter, but if you think that some minor lifestyle change is going to give you 5-10 extra years of hair or stop you at NW3 instead of NW6 then you're dreaming.
Basicly trying to shape your life around never elevating your DHT is just a good way to waste it.

 

[Nashville Hairline]

Accelerate it by what? Maybe you'll hit that NW6 a few months earlier if you're a hardcore weightlifter, but if you think that some minor lifestyle change is going to give you 5-10 extra years of hair or stop you at NW3 instead of NW6 then you're dreaming.
Basicly trying to shape your life around never elevating your DHT is just a good way to waste it.

Agree 100%

Weight lifting, like masturbation, is a hair loss forum "classic"...lots of debate but not a single person able to show any reverse of male pattern baldness from quitting either.

I think there is a stereotype of the bald (usually Eastern European) weight lifter that feeds into this.

 

[slurms mackenzie]

Who has claimed you can reverse hair loss by not doing weights?

That's quite a leap.

 

[s.a.f]

And who has proven that you can halt it or even slow it by abstaining from weightlifting/masturbating ect -no one.

 

[slurms mackenzie]

And who has proven that you can halt it or even slow it by abstaining from weightlifting/masturbating ect -no one.

who has proven otherwise ? (regarding the weightlifting that is)

unlike you i admit i don't know the answer, but i do at least try to bring studies to prove there may be a link.

get me the study that says weight lifting doesn't increase t
get me the study that says creatine use doesn't increase dht

do a google search away from these forums and see what the consensus is, read what people are writing on body building forums, see how many credible sources say the possibility is there.

See how many credible sources say it isn't there.

Now search on masterbation and hairloss, find any credible source ?

Thought not.

That is why they're different.

Here's an article on testosterone and weight lifting and how it increases testosterone long term

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Testost ... fting.aspx

I'll make this easy for you shall I ?

A counter argument is that it may not have an effect on hair because it's about the DHT produced locally, not serum DHT.

Ah what do i care, go post a picture or something.

 

[s.a.f]

Accelerate it by what? Maybe you'll hit that NW6 a few months earlier if you're a hardcore weightlifter, but if you think that some minor lifestyle change is going to give you 5-10 extra years of hair or stop you at NW3 instead of NW6 then you're dreaming.
Basicly trying to shape your life around never elevating your DHT is just a good way to waste it.

You did'nt answer my original point. I've never claimed that weightlifting does'nt raise testosterone levels, buy this temporary slight increase is not going to have any huge influence on the hairloss of someone who is geneticly predisposed to m.p.b thats just common sense. Think guys like Larry David or Patrick Stewart did some excessive amount of masturbating/weight training in their 20's or if they did it would have made any difference to their hairloss situation?

 

[slurms mackenzie]

[quote="s.a.f":3nuixltf]Accelerate it by what? Maybe you'll hit that NW6 a few months earlier if you're a hardcore weightlifter, but if you think that some minor lifestyle change is going to give you 5-10 extra years of hair or stop you at NW3 instead of NW6 then you're dreaming.
Basicly trying to shape your life around never elevating your DHT is just a good way to waste it.

You did'nt answer my original point. I've never claimed that weightlifting does'nt raise testosterone levels, buy this temporary slight increase is not going to have any huge influence on the hairloss of someone who is geneticly predisposed to m.p.b thats just common sense. Think guys like Larry David or Patrick Stewart did some excessive amount of masturbating/weight training in their 20's or if they did it would have made any difference to their hairloss situation?[/quote:3nuixltf]

I'll answer your original point now, "I don't now", the studies haven't been done, but you're arguing that you seem to know otherwise, and i say you do this without evidence.

Regarding LD or PS i honestly don't know, but do you think their hairloss followed an average pattern? You can be genetically predisposed to hairloss and lose it over 30 - 40 years.

Did you find any credible sources regarding exercise and hairloss ?

Did you find any credible sources regarding masterbation and hairloss?

The thing about the link to masterbation is it's linked to years of religous dogma, the small but possible link to weightlifting is based on science.

 

[slurms mackenzie]

To answer the title of the thread.

We don't know enough.

 

[slurms mackenzie]

but this temporary slight increase

I'll direct you to the linked article again, because it claims that the increase is long term

http://www.trulyhuge.com/weighttraining ... terone.htm

Are there any studies showing that this exprapolates to longer time frames? Yes! One study of nine elite weight lifter over a two year period showed significant increases in testosterone, leutenizing hormone and the ratio of testosterone to SHBG. [2] The authors concluded that "the present results suggest that prolonged intensive strength training in elite athletes may influence the pituitary and possibly hypothalamic levels, leading to increased serum levels of testosterone".

Yet another study showed that elite weight lifters had significantly higher testosterone levels than elite cyclists. [5] In other words, the body seems to adapt to the kind of exercise placed before it. In everyday language that means that weight lifting and weigh training very likely lead to increases in testosterone over time. Remember that testosterone seems to be increased by any competitive challenge in the short term. The amazing news is that hitting the weights seems to imprint itself in our glands and force them to spit out more of the precious stuff.

It's possible you missed me linking to that, due to editing.

Ah it's too hot for this, I'm off to play outside, to get me some of that Vitamin D, which as we all know will stop hair loss :whistle: dead!

 

[Cassin]

Who has claimed you can reverse hair loss by not doing weights?

That's quite a leap.

The same people who stop having any form of sex and/or drink their urine For SOME illusion of a hairloss benefit.