Which components of Revivogen are even necessary?

[Guest]

Does anyone have any experience with just using the Scalp Therapy part of revivogen and skipping the shampoo and conditioner or vice versa.. Did u still get good results? Im just wondering if all the revivogen products are absolutely necessary to be used as a whole. I can save money by only buying the Scalp Therapy and skipping the shampoo and conditioner if i dont really need it.

 

[amsch]

You don't need the Shampoo and Conditioner at all. Use the scalp therapy together with Nizoral (3 times a week) and you'll be fine.

 

[zxAddict]

What he said.

 

[Guest]

lol... I already started Propecia 3 days ago. Can I use Revivogen + Propecia at once or is there not even a point since they're both DHT inhibitors?

 

[zxAddict]

lol... I already started Propecia 3 days ago. Can I use Revivogen + Propecia at once or is there not even a point since they're both DHT inhibitors?

It won't hurt, thats for sure. You may just want to try propecia first for 12 months or so and then and Revivogen after that point if its not progressing as you would like.

 

[treadstone]

The Revivogen shampoo is also anti-inflammatory... I'm thinking of adding it to my regimen and rotating it with Nizoral.

 

[Guest]

How about Revivogen and Spironolactone? I'm beginning to realize Propecia is useless shit.

 

[treadstone]

I'm beginning to realize Propecia is useless shit.

How did you come to that conclusion in three days?

 

[Guest]

I'm beginning to realize Propecia is useless shit.

How did you come to that conclusion in three days?

because it makes my hair fall out rapidly and the key to curing hair loss isnt inhibiting DHT systematically.. thats insane.

 

[medmax84]

Awesome. So you have a degree in pharmacology?

It may be like killing an ant with a shotgun (also causes collateral damage sometimes), but using topical DHT-inhibitors may be akin to trying to kill a rhino with a BB gun. It's difficult to make substances bioavailable through the epidermis. The top layer of your skin is anuclear cells and keratin. It's not an easy medium for absorption. The point of its architecture is to prevent foreign substances from invading. This is in sharp contrast to your GI/circulatory system whose job is to ingest substances, spread them throughout the body, and absorb them into target tissues.

So yes, it's excessive and causes collateral damage (adverse reactions) but it is far more effective than rubbing ointment on your head.

Other treatments such as minoxidil are aided by the fact that they are vasodilators, which means that as they are absorbed they facilitate further exchange through the skin.

 

[Guest]

Awesome. So you have a degree in pharmacology?

It may be like killing an ant with a shotgun (also causes collateral damage sometimes), but using topical DHT-inhibitors may be akin to trying to kill a rhino with a BB gun. It's difficult to make substances bioavailable through the epidermis. The top layer of your skin is anuclear cells and keratin. It's not an easy medium for absorption. The point of its architecture is to prevent foreign substances from invading. This is in sharp contrast to your GI/circulatory system whose job is to ingest substances, spread them throughout the body, and absorb them into target tissues.

So yes, it's excessive and causes collateral damage (adverse reactions) but it is far more effective than rubbing ointment on your head.

Other treatments such as minoxidil are aided by the fact that they are vasodilators, which means that as they are absorbed they facilitate further exchange through the skin.

actually yes, i'm in pre-pharm currently and i will be transferring to pharmacy school next year. i'm glad that you could notice.

the problem is i think most people in this forum have the idea in their heads that DHT is a BAD thing... It is not, it merely triggers male pattern baldness if you're genetically prone to it anyway. Blame genetics if you absolutely need an excuse. I can't see how inhibiting DHT systematically is a good thing especially when it has so many other uses, and the 5 alpha reductase enzyme is used for so many more things than even we are aware of at this point.

my advice for most people here is either to find a way to block the androgen receptors locally, or go bald with grace. what's the risk of feminizing your body/ becoming a retard mentally if you have "semi"-decent hair?

 

[medmax84]

Awesome. So you have a degree in pharmacology?

It may be like killing an ant with a shotgun (also causes collateral damage sometimes), but using topical DHT-inhibitors may be akin to trying to kill a rhino with a BB gun. It's difficult to make substances bioavailable through the epidermis. The top layer of your skin is anuclear cells and keratin. It's not an easy medium for absorption. The point of its architecture is to prevent foreign substances from invading. This is in sharp contrast to your GI/circulatory system whose job is to ingest substances, spread them throughout the body, and absorb them into target tissues.

So yes, it's excessive and causes collateral damage (adverse reactions) but it is far more effective than rubbing ointment on your head.

Other treatments such as minoxidil are aided by the fact that they are vasodilators, which means that as they are absorbed they facilitate further exchange through the skin.

actually yes, i'm in pre-pharm currently and i will be transferring to pharmacy school next year. i'm glad that you could notice.

the problem is i think most people in this forum have the idea in their heads that DHT is a BAD thing... It is not, it merely triggers male pattern baldness if you're genetically prone to it anyway. Blame genetics if you absolutely need an excuse. I can't see how inhibiting DHT systematically is a good thing especially when it has so many other uses, and the 5 alpha reductase enzyme is used for so many more things than even we are aware of at this point.

my advice for most people here is either to find a way to block the androgen receptors locally, or go bald with grace. what's the risk of feminizing your body/ becoming a retard mentally if you have "semi"-decent hair?

According to Wikipedia.org, type I DHT-converting enzyme is found in the brain. While Finasteride blocks its production to a certain extent, Dutasteride is far more dangerous with respect to mental function. I don't really buy that without a predisposing factor, limiting DHT will have a large-scale impact on cognition or mood. I am far more confident in hair loss contributing to major depressive episodes and its ability to limit sufferers from engaging in healthy social activity.

DHT is NOT a significant central NT, and it plays an extremely small role in hormonal modulation and control. It mostly contributes to secondary sexual characteristics, as it, unlike other testosterone/estrogen derivatives, cannot be converted to estrogen/estradiol and does not act at estrogen receptors. Most of the ADRs that have been reported are congruent with that function. (Erectile dysfunction (although I'd bet it's more of an increased effort), decreased semen output, and lowered libido)

I do agree that feminization is a cause for concern, because Testosterone and DHT have a markedly different fate in the body. Testosterone acts on Androgen receptors, is converted to estradiol, and terminates at estrogen receptors. DHT is never converted to estradiol and never acts on estrogen receptors. Result of blocking DHT: increases the NET amount of estrogen stimulation. This IS cause for concern, but the levels of DHT in the body (serum + tissues) are miniscule when compared to that of testosterone and estrogen... I think that this is why ADRs are patient-specific.

 

[bubka]

because it makes my hair fall out rapidly and the key to curing hair loss isnt inhibiting DHT systematically.. thats insane.

What is it then? :whistle:

Also, you are "insane" if you think it made your hair fall out after three days :whistle:

 

[Guest]

because it makes my hair fall out rapidly and the key to curing hair loss isnt inhibiting DHT systematically.. thats insane.

What is it then? :whistle:

Also, you are "insane" if you think it made your hair fall out after three days :whistle:

Sir, I have reading this forum for the past week and have noticed all of your posts seem to be on the "catty" and/or defensive side regarding things that have nothing to do with you.. similar to how a female acts when on her period. Could this possibly be a side effect of you taking finasteride for so long? There is no doubt in my mind that you are successfully feminizing your body beneath your very eyes or rather... your non-existent hair follicles.

 

[bubka]

Sir, I have reading this forum for the past week and have noticed all of your posts seem to be on the "catty" and/or defensive side regarding things that have nothing to do with you.. similar to how a female acts when on her period. Could this possibly be a side effect of you taking finasteride for so long? There is no doubt in my mind that you are successfully feminizing your body beneath your very eyes or rather... your non-existent hair follicles.

Whatever man, I take fineasteride with no problems, great head of hair for over 8 years. You however seem to the one who is developing "feminine qualities" with breast growth after 3 days :uglylol: Not to mention delusional thoughts where you think people know your skin color by the text that you type or other supernatural powers.

 

[treadstone]

I'd like someone with the scientific expertise to address whether it's even possible for finasteride to cause a shed within three days. It doesn't seem possible to me, based on my understanding of growth/rest phases of follicles (not to mention that the finasteride would just be starting to make a small dent on DHT levels).

 

[optimus prime]

stackz = davidoff

maybe? It just seems stackz comments are so uneducated and same attacks on the same people. Its just so obvious.

because it makes my hair fall out rapidly and the key to curing hair loss isnt inhibiting DHT systematically.. thats insane.

What is it then? :whistle:

Also, you are "insane" if you think it made your hair fall out after three days :whistle:

Sir, I have reading this forum for the past week and have noticed all of your posts seem to be on the "catty" and/or defensive side regarding things that have nothing to do with you.. similar to how a female acts when on her period. Could this possibly be a side effect of you taking finasteride for so long? There is no doubt in my mind that you are successfully feminizing your body beneath your very eyes or rather... your non-existent hair follicles.

Are you saying he is a female because he is white? That is so racist. Tut tut tut.

 

[bubka]

didn't David start finasteride around the same time too? I don't know, but give it up to the mods for dealing with the crazies around here, they are doing a good job with how many we have in the past few weeks.

 

[sammo]

didnt count this crazy.... :crazy: