What Norwood Would I be? (pics)

z-one

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I have been reading the board for a few months and have learned a lot. I have been on propecia for 2 years now and about to start rogaine foam and nizoral. I wanted to see what you guys thought about what Norwood I am. I was having trouble getting pictures of the top of my head, but i am more concerned about the receding hair line.

Before I go on rogaine I also want to make sure there is no side effects if my wife gets pregnant? I know its harmful for her to handle broken propecia pills but just wanted to make sure minoxidil doesnt have any harmful effects.





 

The Gardener

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Looks like an NW1 to me. 1.5 at best.

I think you have a completely normal hairline for a 25 year old, and I am not convinced that you have male pattern baldness at all.
 

dietcola

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NW2

there are no sides from rogaine that would concern your fertility
 

z-one

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The Gardener said:
Looks like an NW1 to me. 1.5 at best.

I think you have a completely normal hairline for a 25 year old, and I am not convinced that you have male pattern baldness at all.

Could that be because I started using propecia before it got bad? My father is bald, both gradparents are bald and my older brother 27 is thin on top.
 

The Gardener

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No, not with minoxidil.

And I say this not because I am a "minoxidil hater".. I am a minoxidil user and it is the backbone of my regimen.. but I strongly believe you should keep it in your hip pocket for later in your life, if needed.

Minoxidil is a commitment of time and money. If finasteride alone can maintain your hair with the simple routine of taking a pill each day, then you'll save yourself a lot of time, money, and hassle in the long run.

This is very hard to describe and might not make sense to someone who is at the early stages of potential hairloss and is in a state of anxiety about it, but I will try my best to explain my thoughts on this... Treating male pattern baldness is not about throwing the kitchen sink at it. It is about finding the specific treatments that work for you, and using them. You need to remember that there is a time component to male pattern baldness (assuming you have it), so its good to take your time in deciding what meds to take so that over time, if something starts to falter, you have additional "tools" in your arsenal that you can add it to keep things looking good. Stick with the finasteride for a year or so, give it a chance, observe your hairline, and make your minoxidil decision later.

This way, if the finasteride's effectiveness starts to tail off later in life, you have the minoxidil to add it to return your hairline to stability. I don't think someone who is an Norwood 1.5 at worse should be going for the minoxidil yet.
 

z-one

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That makes sense, my only fear is that in a year from now I look back and go why didn't I use rogain. I never went on it before because of the difficulty of the liquid but from what I read the foam is really easy to use. Money is not a major concern if I can get rogain for around $13 a month for the foam.

What are your views on Nizoral 1% is it worth using that a few times a week or is that somethign you would also hold off on?
 

The Gardener

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male pattern baldness is not a gradual, straight-line process. From my observations and experience, I believe it happens in distinct and noticeable events. So, people who have it tend to have a period of rapid recession that lasts a year or so, then a (usually) long period of stability that often lasts years, then another cycle of recession, then stability for several more years, etc etc. Usually, you can tell when an male pattern baldness cycle is hitting because it is often accompanied by a feeling of scalp irritation, or itchiness.

Bearing this in mind, I understand your fear, but also keep in mind that the hair that Rogaine is BEST at regrowing is that which has been lost recently. You have added finasteride. Ride this period out until you notice another male pattern baldness cycle, and start noticing some rapid recession. Your current hairline might remain stable for a decade for all we know. Continue to observe the hairline. If and when another male pattern baldness cycle hits, and you begin a pattern of recession, THEN go ahead and start the rogaine. The recently lost hair should respond very well to the minoxidil.

If you were to have started the rogaine RIGHT NOW, when this next male pattern baldness cycle hits, your follicles will have already past the two to three year of minoxidil sensitivity, and minoxidil will have lost its ability to recruit new hairs to grow, as they've been exposed to it already.

minoxidil, in my opinion, really should only be used when cosmetic degradation in a hairline has happened, or is imminent. That way, you will get the two to three year "power curve" of minoxidil effectiveness as late as necessary, which will extend your hairline stability as far into your adult years as possible.

I think I am overtalking this, perhaps I should use an analogy to explain more clearly... Using minoxidil is like hitting the "turbo" button on a race car... but you can only hit it ONCE in your life. Hitting it now would probably help you, but considering that you don't need much regrowth now, you would waste a lot of the upside it might bring, and then later in life (and we have no idea what ups and downs the hairline situation will bring in the later years), you'll be without this potential "turbo button" because you already expended it when you were young.

Make sense? :lol:

As for the Nizoral, I suggest you get on it (or an equivalent Keto shampoo) now and use religiously 2-3 times a week.
 

dietcola

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use nizoral man, it's just a shampoo and will make your scalp and hair feel much healthier. use it three times a week or so.

yeah minoxidil is cheap but you gotta decide if you want to commit to it. if you decide not to do it right now, and in a year your hair is worse, you can start it then. it's not like 12 months is forever, and it's not like your hair is in terrible shape. i started minoxidil out of desperation. are you desperate yet?
 

z-one

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That makes perfect sense. I think I will just contine to take the finasteride and start using nizoral since I am assuming that cant hurt anything.
 

JayB

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who gets married at 25 lol.
sorry just makin fun of you but your hair looks alright to me, id say a Norwood 2 but you might suffer from the same problem i did, namely being born with a recessed hairline rather than a Norwood 0 which many men are born with.
 

WorldofWarcraft

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You look like a Norwood 2.5 that is set to go bald in the future. Look at the bottom portion of your temples. It seperates your old hairline from your new forming one.

What is everyone's problem? He has clear temple loss, and his overall hairline looks high on his forhead.

I hope this forum isn't going through another wave of pretending that nobody has hairloss when it is very obvious they suffer from male pattern baldness.

please, everyone, grab your glasses and notice that his actual hairline is about 1/2 of an inch wide.

http://img405.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img2441wo2.jpg
 

z-one

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JayB said:
who gets married at 25 lol.
sorry just makin fun of you but your hair looks alright to me, id say a Norwood 2 but you might suffer from the same problem i did, namely being born with a recessed hairline rather than a Norwood 0 which many men are born with.

I agree I think I have always suffered from a receding hairline, but I think it has gotten worse.
 

z-one

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WorldofWarcraft said:
You look like a Norwood 2.5 that is set to go bald in the future. Look at the bottom portion of your temples. It seperates your old hairline from your new forming one.

What is everyone's problem? He has clear temple loss, and his overall hairline looks high on his forhead.

I hope this forum isn't going through another wave of pretending that nobody has hairloss when it is very obvious they suffer from male pattern baldness.

please, everyone, grab your glasses and notice that his actual hairline is about 1/2 of an inch wide.

http://img405.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img2441wo2.jpg

So would you recommed that I start on rogain or would you also suggest waiting until it gets worse?
 
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