Sterol Intermediates of Cholesterol Biosynthesis Inhibit Hair Growth

benjt

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This type of alopecia sounds surprisingly similar to androgenetic alopecia in the way it kills hair follicles.

Maybe the underlying process is identical?

Lessons learned:
  • Androgenetic Alopecia is probably an undesired auto immune response
  • Cholesterol seems to have a big part in this (problem here: cholesterol, as far as I know, is metabolised into Testosterone which is in turn metabolised into DHT in follicles - this process might just be normal)
 

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In this manuscript, we demonstrate that the cholesterol biosynthesis pathway is altered in all subtypes of PCA. We further show that changes in cholesterol biosynthesis within hair follicle cells trigger a pro-inflammatory response and induce the recruitment of innate immune cells that initiate the destruction of hair follicles in mouse skin and in PCA. Our results reveal a previously unidentified role for cholesterol precursors in PCA pathogenesis and identify a novel link between sterols and inflammation that may prove transformative in the diagnosis and treatment of these disorders.

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This type of alopecia sounds surprisingly similar to androgenetic alopecia in the way it kills hair follicles.

Maybe the underlying process is identical?

Lessons learned:
  • Androgenetic Alopecia is probably an undesired auto immune response
  • Cholesterol seems to have a big part in this (problem here: cholesterol, as far as I know, is metabolised into Testosterone which is in turn metabolised into DHT in follicles - this process might just be normal)

There is a reason Why topical L-Carnitine, tocotrienols and Miconazole Nitrate/ Ketoconazole helps Androgenetic Alopecia.. They all influence the P450 enzymes that convert cholesterol (sterol) into DHT.. I think that we are on the right track..

Sterols, also known as steroid alcohols, are a subgroup of the steroids and an important class of organic molecules. They occur naturally in plants, animals, and fungi, with the most familiar type of animal sterol being cholesterol. Cholesterol is vital to animal cell membrane structure and function and a precursor to fat-soluble vitamins and steroid hormones.
 

benjt

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Wow. This is the first time I hear about L-Cartinine. There are some placebo-controlled studies that report awesome results, in fact better than minoxidil: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17927577 Do you know of any products containing L-carnitine-L-tartrate?
Tocotrienols are just vitamin E, and I get plenty of that... you got any sources for vitamin E being beneficial in treating Androgenetic Alopecia?
Problem with Ketoconazole is that where I live I cannot get it w/o prescription.

I am wondering if there are any sideffects in inhibiting P450. P450 enzymes are extremely important in pretty much everything related to cell regeneration. I am kind of afraid of tampering with that.

As far as I know, P450 is only for converting cholesterol to T. T is transformed to DHT by 5 alpha reductase. Lowering P450 should lower base T, thus also decreasing DHT. If I'm not mistaken here, this ultimately shouldn't be much different from the different 5aR inhibitors many people already use which also result in lower DHT.
Does lowering P450 reportedly have any other positive effect on Androgenetic Alopecia, except for its role in converting sterols to testosterone and DHT? Any other known mechanisms?
 

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Wow. This is the first time I hear about L-Cartinine. There are some placebo-controlled studies that report awesome results, in fact better than minoxidil: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17927577 Do you know of any products containing L-carnitine-L-tartrate?
Tocotrienols are just vitamin E, and I get plenty of that... you got any sources for vitamin E being beneficial in treating Androgenetic Alopecia?
Problem with Ketoconazole is that where I live I cannot get it w/o prescription.

I am wondering if there are any sideffects in inhibiting P450. P450 enzymes are extremely important in pretty much everything related to cell regeneration. I am kind of afraid of tampering with that.

As far as I know, P450 is only for converting cholesterol to T. T is transformed to DHT by 5 alpha reductase. Lowering P450 should lower base T, thus also decreasing DHT. If I'm not mistaken here, this ultimately shouldn't be much different from the different 5aR inhibitors many people already use which also result in lower DHT.
Does lowering P450 reportedly have any other positive effect on Androgenetic Alopecia, except for its role in converting sterols to testosterone and DHT? Any other known mechanisms?

http://ernd.usm.my/journal/journal/TLSR 21-2-8-(91-99).pdf
http://www.tocotrienol.org/images/s...tsuprabio hair loss prevention and beyond.pdf
Tocotrienol is way more than just vitamin E!

Keto lower P450 enzymes..just like Miconazole Nitrate
 

benjt

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Tocotrienol is way more than just vitamin E!
Both PDFs you posted say that it is exactly vitamin E ;) or at least half of the vitamin E compounds belong to tocotrienols.

Keto lower P450 enzymes..just like Miconazole Nitrate
I know. Still I am wondering about potential side effects of lowering P450, as it is so crucial for cell (re-)generation. Are there any products which contain L-carnitine-L-tartrate that you know of?
 

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Carnitine is a common supplement. There is also an anti hair loss product where the actives are carnitine and orotic acid (however, carnitine has been linked to heart disease as of late). Anyway we already are dealing with the issue of inflammation by inhibiting inducible cyclooxigenase (cox-2)...
 

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COX-2 inhibits PGE2. PGE2 is pretty important for immune reaction (and in fact the number one trigger of inflammation), but is also utterly necessary for fever, and thus for your immune system. Without PGE2 and fever, your body cannot recover from systemwide infections. Doesn't sound too safe to me. I also heard rumours about COX-2 inhibition leading to faster skin aging. However, I don't know if that's true.

PGE2 is needed for general wound healing: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17014677
It acts as a vasodilator and also upregulates regeneration of tissue. While we do not want this behavior in our scalps as it results in follicle fibrosis, in general we need it.
On the other hand, another study ( https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17537126 ) implies that scarring - instead of PERFECT wound healing - occurs because of PGE2.
Before I treat myself with PGE2 inhibitors, I need to do some more research. To me, it seems that PGE2 is pretty crucial.

Edit: Did some more research and PGE2 is often involved in diseases with cronic inflammation and fibrosis such as Crohn's disease. Are there any reports on effectiveness oh inhibiting PGE2 for treating male pattern baldness?


Edit2: This is all very confusing.
PGD-2 has been said to accelerate male pattern baldness. To battle this, people want to inhibit COX-2. However, lowering COX-2 also lowers PGE-2. PGE-2 causes inflammation and fibrosis. To battle Androgenetic Alopecia/male pattern baldness, PGE-2 should be bossted according to this source. This is completely contradictory.

Edit3:
"Given that PGE2 exerts an inhibitory influence on type 1 immune response, which is the underlying immunopathology of AA, PGE2 analogs may prove to be invaluable in the treatment of this clinical conundrum."
Okay, so raising PGE2 is said by some studies to help prevent male pattern baldness/Androgenetic Alopecia, and by some other studies to worsen it... great. One study says that PGE2 increases inflammation, another one claims the opposite.

Edit4:
"To demonstrate that the alopecia observed in K14.COX2 mice was attributable to increased PGE2 levels, we administered the COX-2 selective inhibitor celecoxib in the diet at a dose previously shown to inhibit PGE2 synthesis in murine epidermis (11) . After 4 weeks of administration, the hair coats of the K14.COX2 animals (12 of 12) were fully restored (Fig. 2A ? , right). These findings support the suggestion that the alopecia results from improper or incomplete development of the hair shafts brought on by high PG levels within the epidermis of the K14.COX2 mice. Several animals were followed up to several months after discontinuation of treatment. The coats appeared to remain stable for at least 12 weeks, in that no apparent hair loss was observed in these animals, although it is not known whether they underwent another round of the hair growth cycle during this timeframe. By 3 months, some hair loss was noted in all of the treated animals (data not shown). Administration of celecoxib to pregnant animals and subsequent weanlings resulted in normal hair development and normal-appearing hair follicles and sebaceous glands in the weanlings that was indistinguishable from wild-type mice (Fig. 2D) . These animals were used in a subsequent tumor experiment."
So, in this study mice had high PGE2 levels. After lowering PGE2, they regrew their hair.

On the other hand, PGE2 still induces inflammation.

I don't know what to believe anymore.

What kind of COX-2 inhibitive product are you speaking of?


Edit5:
Someone else already noticed that studies on PGE2 are completely contradictory: http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/forum_entry-id-100436.html
One study says that minoxidil raises PGE2, another says that minoxidil decreases PGE2.


Edit6: Here is another study saying that minoxidil does not inhibit PGE2: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3293993
All of them contradict each other. This is really confusing.

Edit7:
Study 1 says minoxidil increases PGE2: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9008235
Study 2 says minoxidil decreases PGE2: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2553835
Study 3 says minoxidil has no effect whatsoever on PGE2 and PGF2: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3278714
 

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