READ! spoke with a nutritionist today, why not shen min???

[cruiser]

other than convienence of a pill (finasteride) why not use sheng min (sp) it also eliminates dht with no sides supposedly. the nutrionist i spoke with today seemed to know more about dht/hairloss than anyone ive ever talked with before ie.. doctors/derms etc... i told her of my problem with finasteride, and she said you would have to be crazy to put somthing like that in you body when this is also avail, just not as convient as a pill. also finasteride keeps the dht from binding to the receptor where as sheng min helps eliminate dht altogather. and from the information i received dht does not have much of a positive role in the human body anyway. what do you guys think? is this a good alternative for those of us that cant handle finasteride???

 

[viperfish]

I believe that it is shen min. I don't know much about it, but as for its role in eliminating dht....... I highly doubt it. Might help in making the hair grow faster and maybe help give the hair a "cosmetically" different appearance. Beyond that I highly doubt it is doing anything for dht, much like other herbs, such as saw palmetto. Why would she say your crazy for putting finasteride in your body?? If shen min is completely eliminating dht then you would have the same side effects, etc as taking the finasteride. Hence, according to her, it would also be crazy to take shen min.

 

[Brasileirao]

Never heard of the stuff, perhaps it can be used in conjunction with finasteride like other daily dietary supplements.

Not sure...anyone else....

Tony

 

[cruiser]

no no no chen min ABSOLUTLY takes care of DHT, that is a fact and it is 100% natural, according to the experts it is NOT the lack of dht in our systems that give us bad sides, it is the chemical that keeps dht from binding to the receptors in finasteride that gives us our negative sides. which makes 100% cents because finasteride does NOT eliminate dht and we still get sides. wheels turning yet? im not saying this is a big discovery but it might be worth looking at since chen min DOES stop dht, dont know what would happen with your hair, but, hey leave no stone unturned :lol: im going to give it a shot

 

[Cassin]

We'll move this one to the unproven & experimental section where it will attract the right responses.

 

[mvpsoft]

My understanding is that shen min does NOT eliminate DHT, it's simply a nutritional supplement. Actually since finasteride inhibits production of the enzyme that catalyzes the reaction that turns testosterone into DHT, finasteride does what the nutritionist says that Shen Min does, it reduces the amount of DHT in the bloodstream, which of course reduces the amount of DHT available to the scalp via the blood.

It sounds to me that this nutritionist really is pretty clueless about this stuff, if you are reporting accurately what you were told.

 

[ginner]

MVP Soft is right. finasteride doesn't 'block DHT binding to the receptor'. It inhibits 5- AR. 5- AR is the enzyme that converts Testosterone to DHT. Hence you get lower levels of DHT.

 

[viperfish]

no no no chen min ABSOLUTLY takes care of DHT, that is a fact and it is 100% natural, according to the experts it is NOT the lack of dht in our systems that give us bad sides, it is the chemical that keeps dht from binding to the receptors in finasteride that gives us our negative sides. which makes 100% cents because finasteride does NOT eliminate dht and we still get sides. wheels turning yet? im not saying this is a big discovery but it might be worth looking at since chen min DOES stop dht, dont know what would happen with your hair, but, hey leave no stone unturned :lol: im going to give it a shot

Proof?? Research??

 

[viperfish]

My understanding is that shen min does NOT eliminate DHT, it's simply a nutritional supplement. Actually since finasteride inhibits production of the enzyme that catalyzes the reaction that turns testosterone into DHT, finasteride does what the nutritionist says that Shen Min does, it reduces the amount of DHT in the bloodstream, which of course reduces the amount of DHT available to the scalp via the blood.

It sounds to me that this nutritionist really is pretty clueless about this stuff, if you are reporting accurately what you were told.

Exactly!!!

 

[Red Rose]

Don't make such asinine comments - look at the forum you are posting in. It says "experimental".

And stop pandering to the consensus that everything needs 10000 studies - think for yourself.

 

[BadHairDecade]

Red Rose...I agree this is the unproven and experimental forum but when someone says what Cruiser said

chen min ABSOLUTLY takes care of DHT, that is a fact

chen min DOES stop dht

You can't just take his word for it.
Most of the popular experimental/unproven treatments have some backing, reasoning, or theories why it does what it does. If it didn't, in most cases, someone wouldn't even have tried it in the first place.

There's nothing wrong with asking for proof in this forum you just have to keep an open mind with the proof and theories provided.

BHD

 

[mvpsoft]

Don't make such asinine comments - look at the forum you are posting in. It says "experimental".

And stop pandering to the consensus that everything needs 10000 studies - think for yourself.

So experimental is equivalent to false? Shen min doesn't even claim to "take care of" DHT. I didn't say anything at all about whether Shen Min is effective in combatting hair loss. I simply pointed out that the claim that it "takes care of" DHT is false even according the maker of Shen Min.

 

[gonna_win]

no no no chen min ABSOLUTLY takes care of DHT, that is a fact and it is 100% natural, according to the experts it is NOT the lack of dht in our systems that give us bad sides, it is the chemical that keeps dht from binding to the receptors in finasteride that gives us our negative sides. which makes 100% cents because finasteride does NOT eliminate dht and we still get sides. wheels turning yet? im not saying this is a big discovery but it might be worth looking at since chen min DOES stop dht, dont know what would happen with your hair, but, hey leave no stone unturned :lol: im going to give it a shot

Ive never herd of 'shen min' i know nothing about it. However I beleive what you have mentioned about finasteride to be wrong. finasteride reduces the amount of an enzyme that causes testosterone to convert to DHT, it doest not stop DHT binding with the hair folicles.

Could you please backup your claim about the workisn of finasteride with some evidence.

 

[cruiser]

sorry for the comment about finasteride that was just from me and i guess it was wrong i just know that finasteride does not eliminate dht, and i thought it kept it from binding with a receptor but i was wrong. but the info on chen min is accurate, they(makers of chen min) state that it inhibits prodution of dht, AND a non related medical book from the vitamen cottage says the same thing. that is not my opinion or the nutrionionist opinion, it is in print. still dont know it it might work of not but it is so unexplored it might be worth a shot.

 

[mvpsoft]

Sorry, Shen Min has virtually nothing to do with DHT, according to the makers. There are three Shen Min products. Only for one of them to they even refer to DHT. Here is what the manufacturers claim about the topical:

100% natural hair nutrient for men and women. The serum increases the rate of hair growth through stimulation of the hair follicle.

Shen Min Topical utilizes a patented lipoceutical, time-release multiphase delivery technology. It contains high energy compounds that assist in stimulating embryonic follicle metabolism and counter acts and inhibits free radical binding to receptor sites.

Shen Min Topical also increases peripheral blood circulation, and supplies nutrients (Herbal Blend Hair Complex) to the hair follicles.

http://www.folica.com/Shen_Min_Topica_d620.html

Here is what the manufacturers claim about what they call the "activator":

Lipid-complex delivery system. A revolutionary healthy hair system for men and women.

Shen Min Activator utilizes a patented lipoceutical, time-release multiphase delivery technology. It contains high energy compounds that counteract and inhibit environmental free-radical damage while supplying intensive nourishment (Herbal Blend Hair Complex) to the hair. Progestoplex is a revolutionary combination of natural nutriceutical components never before combined in one product. Together they constitute the most advanced formula in hair care available today! Shen Min is the Chinese formula renowned worldwide for its ability to enhance the appearance & texture of hair. Retinyl Palmitate is scientifically proven and patented. Scientifically engineered for the life of your hair.

http://www.folica.com/Shen_Min_Activa_d621.html

Here is what the manufacturers claim about the vitamins:

Shen Min (meaning "Life/Vitality" in Chinese) is a 100% natural hair nutrient derived from the eastern wild rose, also known as He Shou Wu. It is best known for its ability to stimulate hair growth and restore graying hair to its original color. . . . While the exact mechanism is still unknown, Shen Min seems to extend the growth phase of the hair follicle, thus reducing the number of hairs in the resting phase and fall out phase. The net effect is a greater number of hairs growing and fewer falling out. Another purported benefit may be derived from the ability of Shen Min to block DHT (De-Hydro Testosterone) from binding to the follicle. DHT, the "bad" testosterone, is a leading cause of male pattern baldness because it helps deactivate the hair by binding to the follicle. Men produce greater levels of DHT as they age.

* The roots used are no less than 10 years old and organically grown and harvested.
* Most roots available on the market today are less than 3 years old.
* Shen Min uses the only standardized root in the industry. Each tablet contains 150 mg of 12:1 extract with 435 mg of the raw herb. No binder or fillers are used.
* Considered a naturally alternative to Rogaine/Minoxidil and is 100% safe with no known side effects.
* Helps grow terminal hair
* Contains Bioperine, a black pepper extract proven to help increase absorption and utilization of nutrients.

http://www.folica.com/Shen_Min_Advanc_d44.html

Notice that only in the description for the vitamins is DHT even mentioned. And then, they claim that blocking DHT from binding with the follicle "may be" a "purported" benefit. How many more weasel words can an ad use? Also, keep in mind that free radicals are not DHT, so when the description refers to free radicals, it is not talking about DHT. Any cheap multi-vitamin will combat free radicals to some extent, as long is it contains any anti-oxidant such as vitamin C.

Nowhere do the manufacturers claim that Shen Min blocks the formation of DHT. All they really claim is that Shen Min may increase blood flow to the follicles, that it combats free radicals, and that it provides "nourishment" to the follicles. What do free radicals have to do with hair loss? And hasn't the "nourishment" theory of hair loss been thoroughly debunked by now?

So whether you believe that Shen Min does any good or not, it is simply inaccurate to claim that it in any way blocks the formation of DHT. Believe in Shen Min or don't, I don't care, but it is simply misinformation to say that it blocks the formation of DHT.

BTW, I took these quotes from the folica.com website, which uses descriptions provided by the manufacturers for the products sold on the website.

 

[oni]

I have looked at a few places on the web and quite a few sell Shen min as a supplement for hair loss but it only says it will help your hair grow more quickly and most of these tablets also contain..... wait for it Saw Palmetto lol! so if Shen min does the business on DHT why would you need Saw Palmetto!!!!!!!!!!!! in them ?

 

[latecomer]

I tried shen min for over 6 months and it did absolutely nothing! believe me its a waste of time.

 

[viperfish]

I tried shen min for over 6 months and it did absolutely nothing! believe me its a waste of time.

In the past I too used it twice at different times for 6 month periods. Did jackshit for me, but that does not mean that it does not work. However, I do believe it is pure and simple BS.

 

[HairFarmer]

lol...Saw Palmetto again miracle ingredient

This formula combines three very potent DHT blockers (Saw Palmetto extract, Beta Sitosterol, Pumpkin Seed Extract, He Shou Wu) to help lower the level of DHT in the body by inhibiting the enzyme (5-Alpha Reductase) that converts testosterone to DHT.

 

[HairlossTalk]

Where is Red Rose? im interested in hearing his response to these people's comments!

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