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Hi techprof, i read in a post that you use Spin Trap C and i was just wondering what results you are having with it? Also does it dry fast or does it leave a residue or colour on your scalp? Is it sticky or greasy?

Im using Prescription Proxiphen and i was thinking about adding Spin Trap C in my regimen somewhere. Do you think there is a point to this? If you could help me out when you get a chance i would greatly appreciate it. Thanks!
 

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stax,
sorry for the delay.
I just noticed this post.
I have been using spin trap c from Jan 28 2006 or so.
It is too early to tell. I started dutasteride on the last week of Feb.
Some of my poor hairs on the scalp have become terminal and feel thick.
And I see some new hairs near the hairline (baby, unpigmented may be).
I have made some changes to my regimen.
I use minoxidil from Lee (no ppg) with phenytoin 1% in the PM. Approximately 30 mins before minoxidil I use 0.25 to 0.33 ml spin trap C.
In the night before sleeping I use 1 ml prox-N. I wait for 1 hour. THen I massage with aromotherapy hair oil. (It helps in stress problems and to get a good sleep).
In the AM I use 0.25 ml prox-N and 0.5 ml minoxidil. tHen I massage my scalp with regular oil (to help penetrate). Then I wash the topicals in 30 mins or so.
In the weekends I apply prox-N twice and xandrox 15 in the morning and regular minoxidil in the PM after applying spintrap.

My shedding has almost stopped (don't have much hair to shed anyway). I really think dutasteride, prox-N and spintrap are my strong weapons against male pattern baldness. I apply minoxidil mostly once a day. I want to use minoxidil to make sure I don't lose any minoxidil grown hairs.
I will wait till July, I might start prescription proxiphen after that.
 

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Hi techprof, no problem about the delay and thanks for your reply. You seem to have a solid regimen going and good luck with it. Can i ask you a few questions? You say you use Dr.Lee's minoxidil with phenytoin 1%, how do you get phenytoin and do you mix it in the same solution as the minoxidil? Im very interested in that.

Also im trying to debate something and i was wondering if you woild be able to help me out with a decision. My current new regimen im about to start once my dutasteride arrives will be the following.

dutasteride - 0.5mg daily

Spectral DNC - In the morning left in hair for 90 minutes while i exercise, eat breakfast, then shower.

After shower - Either prescription Proxiphen or Spin Trap C?

Before Bed - Revivogen Serum, followed by 5% spironolactone Cream 30 minutes after.

Possibly Xandrox 5 or 15 1 hour before i appply Revivogen then washed off after 1 hour on on scalp.


I dont know wheather Prescription Proxiphen cream or Spin Trap C would be more effective in this regimen. I want to apply a regular dose of pure 5% spironolactone Cream because the amount in Proxiphen wont be as effective an anti-androgen compared to if i used 5% spironolactone Cream by itself and ive been reading good things about the %5 spironolactone so i ordered some. I would get a lot more Tempo/Tempol and PBN in Spin Trap C than Prescription Proxiphen but i dont know which one would be more effective in this regimen. Can you give me some advice on this? Thanks techprof!
 

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stax said:
Hi techprof, no problem about the delay and thanks for your reply. You seem to have a solid regimen going and good luck with it. Can i ask you a few questions? You say you use Dr.Lee's minoxidil with phenytoin 1%, how do you get phenytoin and do you mix it in the same solution as the minoxidil? Im very interested in that.



Also im trying to debate something and i was wondering if you woild be able to help me out with a decision. My current new regimen im about to start once my dutasteride arrives will be the following.

dutasteride - 0.5mg daily

Spectral DNC - In the morning left in hair for 90 minutes while i exercise, eat breakfast, then shower.

After shower - Either prescription Proxiphen or Spin Trap C?

Before Bed - Revivogen Serum, followed by 5% spironolactone Cream 30 minutes after.

Possibly Xandrox 5 or 15 1 hour before i appply Revivogen then washed off after 1 hour on on scalp.


I dont know wheather Prescription Proxiphen cream or Spin Trap C would be more effective in this regimen. I want to apply a regular dose of pure 5% spironolactone Cream because the amount in Proxiphen wont be as effective an anti-androgen compared to if i used 5% spironolactone Cream by itself and ive been reading good things about the %5 spironolactone so i ordered some. I would get a lot more Tempo/Tempol and PBN in Spin Trap C than Prescription Proxiphen but i dont know which one would be more effective in this regimen. Can you give me some advice on this? Thanks techprof!

you are welcome stax. I will give my advice based on my limited knowledge.

I got dilantin capsules from inhousepharmacy.com. I added 9x100 mg capsules to 65 ml of ppg free minoxidil from Lee. My guess is that since he is able to dissolve 17% minoxidil in alcohol/glycerine mix, phenytoin should dissolve well in his 5% glycerin based minoxidil.
1. dutasteride - I vaguely remember reading that you got some gyno from finasteride and/or saw palmetto. you may not get any sides from dutasteride. but watch for it though. In my view, dutasteride is very effective against further progression of male pattern baldness and perhaps for some regrowth. if you are lucky you might get great regrowth.

2. Regarding regrowth, you are using minoxidil twice a day. i am skeptical of spectral dnc. If you are sure that it is genuine minoxidil use it. Also, after using xandrox 15 for nearly two years, I can safely say that azelaic acid has no business in the fight against male pattern baldness. use that money on sods.
Xandrox 15 can give additional hair regrowth because of its high concentration of minoxidil. but even dr. lee says that after one year or so, you should be able to maintain most of the hairs with an once a day applicatin of 5%minoxidil.

3. I believe you are using proxiphen prescription for a long time. Dont stop it. The only reason I did not start with it was because, I didn't want to use a cream. That is why I am using prox-N and spintrapC. Though spintrapC might have a lot of tempo and PBN, if you don't use prox-N or prox-P you will miss NANO, the regrowth agent. Also, though prox-N+spintrapC +phenytoin is approximately equivalent to pres. prox, Dr. Proctor probably includes some secret ingredients in his prescription version.

So make sure you use his pres. proxiphen once a day (AM or PM). If you use spintrapC instead of pres. proxiphen, add prox-N.

I have no regards or hopes for revivogen. though it might be useful, if you use dutasteride and spironolactone topicals, it is redundant.

Next, you might feel that spironolactone 5% is needed as proxiphen (presc). has very less spironolactone.In my opinion, anti-dht stuff can do only so much. Remember, spironolactone is only a lousy treatment for an anti-androgen topically. If it worked very well, I would say that finasteride and dutasteride won't exist at all.
If I were to bet, I would bet that proxiphen delievers spironolactone more effectively than the regular spironolactone topical.

It might sound like I am pro proctor. I am using his products only for three months or so. I have no signifcant results from his products yet. But, I am optimistic of his products as he uses a multi-modal approach as opposed to Dr. Lee delivering minoxidil in various forms.

I hope this helps. If I were you, I would use dutasteride, minoxidil twice a day, prescription prox once a day.

If you have more money, use prox-N and/or nano for the alternate application for prescription prox. for eg. if you use pres. prox in the AM, use spintrap/nano in the PM.

Also, I know that you are scared of this male pattern baldness. But, don't change your regimen frequently. Give it a solid year or two before deleting or adding other stuff.
 

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stax,
also spintrapC dries almost immediately.
but if I use minoxidil immediately afterwards, my scalp turns orange. it washes off if I use lemon juice with my shampoo.
 

stax

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Hi techprof, thanks for your help its most appreciated!

I think i might add some dilantin capsules (phenytoin) to my Xandrox 5. It would work if i was using the Xandrox 5 with ppg right? It might add that aa little kicker and why not i can mix it in the same solution right? WOuld adding dilantin cause the Xandrox to dry any different for example be more sticky or take longer to dry?

I think i'll swap the morning Spectral DNC application with Xandrox 15 leaving in my scalp for about 90 minutes to fully absorb while i exercise, eat breakfast, then shower.

Im going to take your advice and keep using the Prescription Proxiphen in the am right after my shower.


For PM im going to have to think about it but im leaning towards Xandrox 5 + phenytoin, followed by Revivogen 15 minutes later, followed by 5% spironolactone 30 minutes later.

Or Spin Trap C, followed by Xandrox 5 + phenytoin 15 minutes later, followed by Revivogen or 5% spironolactone.


My shampoo rotation has been Nizoral 2%, Nano, Alpecin, repeat. I might drop the Alpecin and use Nano again on that day but ive read Alpecin acts againt scalp testosterone and may stimulate growth so i may keep it.

Its tough to choose. The type of hairloss i have is the diffuse thinning when my hair can be thicker in places but i can have some hairs miniturizing right beside the thicker hairs. So basically if i get DHT and androgens under control and stimulate regrowth they should grow back to normal thickness. Ive been doing a lot of reading on the forums and it seems that a lot of people who stuck with it were having good results with Revivogen. The thing that got me wanting to use %5 spironolactone cream is that may people on http://www.bodybuilding.com claims its helped keep their hair and even on steroid cycles they didnt lose hair. So its a tough call.


Basically i feel finasteride wasnt doing the job againts DHT and thats why im moving on to dutasteride. Regarding the mild gyno im going to try to take care of that with a 6-8 week cycle of Raloxifene and Armidex. Plus im going to drop my body fat down to 8% and start getting really active in the mornings and extreme healthy dieting. Once i get back on dutasteride im going to be using a bunch of natural anti-estrogens in combinations while keeping my body fat low so i dont think i'll have a problem. I might try some Tribex 500 aswell which is supposed to raise testosterone naturally while making sure it doesnt convert to estrogen. I just dont know wheather to use the dutasteride while i use Armidex and Raloxifene or stay off DHT inhibitors for the 2 months i'll be using the drugs to rid my gyno.


Thanks again techprof!
 

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stax,
don't start dutasteride till you have your gyno resolved. if you take dutasteride, see the doctor and take blood tests frequently.
your regimen is very solid. I wish you good luck. If you use many topicals in the sametime (for e.g.,) use them wisely to make sure they are absorbed in your scalp.

for example, if I use xandrox 15, I am pretty sure nothing else can absorb on top of it.
 

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Hi techprof, thanks for the reply i appreciate all your help. Im going to do a 4 week nolvadex or something as its a mild case of gyno, then i start dutasteride cautiously and go for blood work every 6 months. Thanks again for the help techprof!
 

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stax,
if you don't mind can I request you to include your regimen in the regimen tab?
Also, please take and post pictures as you are in a solid regimen.
thanks
 

stax

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Hey, yes no problem im just waiting untill my dutasteride arrives and i start it as im not really on a regimen right now, and i will look into buying a digital camera to take pictures as i think it is very important. My money is kind of low right now due to the treatments, do you know where i can get a decent digital camera from? Ebay mabye?
 

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stuff can do only so much. Remember, spironolactone is only a lousy treatment for an anti-androgen topically. If it worked very well, I would say that finasteride and dutasteride won't exist at all.

I remember reading Dr Lee stating that Finasteride is effective when applied topically, but when Merck went about developing Propecia, they decided that a once-a-day pill would sell far better than another topical.

However you'd think people would just switch to topical finasteride once they got sides if this was the case...

Also, im going to give spironolactone a go. Im sure it doesnt work for everyone, but it has it's place...
 

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Felk said:
I remember reading Dr Lee stating that Finasteride is effective when applied topically, but when Merck went about developing Propecia, they decided that a once-a-day pill would sell far better than another topical.

However you'd think people would just switch to topical finasteride once they got sides if this was the case...

As I've been saying repeatedly for lo these many years: there is a serious risk of systemic absorption with topical finasteride. There are both human and animal studies clearly showing such systemic absorption.

So what Dr. Lee said may well be correct, but it's what he DOESN'T say which is the Catch-22: you may STILL end up with side-effects, even if you apply it topically! :wink:

Bryan
 

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Aaah ok thanks for that Bryan.

What do u think about this though?

Remember, spironolactone is only a lousy treatment for an anti-androgen topically. If it worked very well, I would say that finasteride and dutasteride won't exist at all.

I hope and believe spironolactone will better than this...
 

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I think it's a little harsh to say that it's a "lousy" antiandrogen. I'd soften that a little and say that it's a "mediocre" antiandrogen.

Bryan
 

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Bryan said:
I think it's a little harsh to say that it's a "lousy" antiandrogen. I'd soften that a little and say that it's a "mediocre" antiandrogen.

Bryan

But stilll wouldn't you still consider it the most powerful topical antiandrogen of the lot? If we are to say that topical finasteride or dutasteride would have systemic effects? I am asking because I need something to battle DHT that isn't finasteride... So I am obviously turning to spironolactone.
Btw what are your thoughts on immortalhair? Is it bs or could it actually do something DHT wise maybe combined with topical spironolactone? LOL I am getting kinda desperate. :lol:
Thanks
 

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Hi techprof, sorry to bother you again but i was wondering if i can apply Xandrox 15 about 5 minutes after i apply Spin Trap C? Thanks!
 

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stax,
i think it is ok to apply xandrox 15 after spintrapC.
The otherway will not work as nothing can penetrate past xandrox 15.

spintrapc might make your scalp orangish if you follow immediately with xandrox 15.

Sometimes I wonder why I can't apply xandrox 15 and spintrap C together (like mix them together while applying and apply).

Dr. Proctor is not sure if it is ok, he thinks that it probably does not make a difference.
 
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