Stingray said:
Show me some proof for your argument before calling my theory "bad science" ok? Lest the pot be calling the kettle black.
Err...I DID show you some proof. Go back and read my post. Once again, DHT levels are almost equally lowered whether you're taking 1 mg or 5 mg. However, there is a higher incidence of side effects with 5 mg. I've been thinking that finasteride side effects, at least the sexual ones, are caused by some other mechanism than lowered DHT levels. That may or may not be true, that's just my theory. But I at least presented some evidence for it. You didn't do so with your "theory," which was really just speculation stated as fact. Now if you had said that this was your opinion, that would have been fine, but you completely failed to do so.
Stingray said:
Nerotransmitters won't cause you to grow titties, or cause your dinky not to work correctly. These are all dependant on the male sex hormone Dihydrotestosterone. By altering the supply of DHT to such receptors in the male sex organs, you will alter their functionality... remove too much from the mix, and you will essentially shut it down. It has nothing to do with "neurotransmitters". And if you would like to argue...please pick up any copy of any medical book that deals with the endocrine or reproductive systems.
*Sigh* I don't think you even read my post, so I'd encourage you to go back and read it before you go any further.
Ok, did you read it? Good. Let me continue then.
Now, I didn't say that neurotransmitters will cause you to "grow titties" or anything else. IF neurotransmitters were somehow related to Propecia side effects, it would be as a result of LOWER LEVELS of neurotransmitters, not the neurotransmitters themselves. But I suspect this is what you meant and you just worded your thoughts poorly.
However, I didn't even say that there was a connection between LOWER LEVELS of neurotransmitters and Propecia side effects. At least not sexual side effects and gyno. I have read accounts of people complaining of memory problems however, and there just might be a connection there. My point was that drugs have more than one effect on the body, and I just wanted to provide an example that Propecia does more than just lower DHT levels. So, Propecia could be doing things that we don't know about just yet, and it could be one of these things that are responsible for the side effects, do you follow? I thought this was pretty clear. Either I was wrong, or you need to work on your reading comprehension skills, mate.
Now, DHT is important for male sexual development. However, it's not known if DHT is necessary for male sexuality after puberty. It would seem that it is important, because there are receptor sites for DHT in the penis. But look at guys taking Avodart. They have their DHT levels lowered by up to 90% or so, and most of them don't have side effects (although there is a higher incidence of side effects than with finasteride). Now that's just amazing. Imagine if you were to lower testosterone levels up to 90%. Imagine what THAT would do to your willy!
If lowered DHT levels are responsible for sexual dysfunction, it's still a complicated process which you oversimplify (without any evidence at all) by saying that if you have a higher concentration of type 2 DHT then you will experience sexual dysfunction. How do you know that? If you don't have any evidence to cite, then don't state something as fact - make sure you clarify that it's just your opinion.
Cheers.
Jeremy
