Origin of the Big 3?

klink

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Q1) When did someone coin the phrase "Big 3" and when did it become a widespread popular regimen?


Q2) How come the Big 3 is not comprised of only topicals, is it that the concensus was that oral finasteride (etc.) was more effective than spironolactone, or was finasteride better marketed, or what else contributed to which three are the three.

Q3) How tested is the theory that you need finasteride to maintain your Min regrowth? Are folks just repeating other when they say this?
 

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klink said:
Q1) When did someone coin the phrase "Big 3" and when did it become a widespread popular regimen?

In September of 1997, two asian-americans vacationing in Hong Kong who were smoking crack and shooting up rat poison in room 322 at the Hotel Hiyajiko came up with the phrase. After their untimely demise, due to overdose, authorities found their notebook "diary" with "The Big 3" scribbled on page 6 along with a list of three hair loss products. This almost indecipherable scrall was published the next day in the Hong Kong Daily and has been in widespread use ever since. :wink:

klink said:
Q2) How come the Big 3 is not comprised of only topicals, is it that the concensus was that oral finasteride (etc.) was more effective than spironolactone, or was finasteride better marketed, or what else contributed to which three are the three.

In all seriousness, "The Big Three" title is based on the fact that these three products (Propecia, Minoxidil, Nizoral) have been clinically proven to help with hairloss and two of the three (Propecia, Minoxidil) are currently the only FDA approved treatments for hairloss. That is not to say other products are ineffective....just that most others have not undergone formal, controlled, double-blind clinical testing (although this has been recently changing to some extent)....or have not been recognized by the FDA as effective. There are other products which have been shown anecdotally to be effective however, based on member testimony and other "less formal" trials.

klink said:
Q3) How tested is the theory that you need finasteride to maintain your Min regrowth? Are folks just repeating other when they say this?

finasteride and minoxidil attack hairloss from two different angles/pathways. minoxidil encourages hair growth but does nothing to stop the natural progresstion of hairloss so you will continue to loose hair at the same rate...it just "turns back the clock" a few years, so to speak, by this stimulation of hair growth.

finasteride actually interferes with the conversion of Test to DHT...and so diminishes one of the currently accepted chemical pathways that leads to hairloss.

Based on these facts among others it is generally accepted that together these products work synergistically to attack both the symptom and cause of hairloss by utilizing two different methods. But finasteride does not specifically help you "keep minoxidil hairs" more than any other hairs on your head. Yes finasteride will keep minoxidil hairs healthy and help stop their follicular deterioraton over time but ultimately minoxidil hairs are around because of minoxidil, not because of finasteride and visa-versa. Once you stop minoxidil...you generally will go back to what you would have had on finasteride alone...if you never started using minoxidil....but even minoxidil hairs will eventually miniturize if you don't do something to treat or interfere with the chemical pathway that induces hairloss in the first place....finasteride is one method to address this.
 

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both funny and informative post H2O! :lol:
 

H2O

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roki said:
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bot funny and informative post H2o! :lol:

:p hehe...thanks roki...gotta have a little fun along the path to knowledge... :)
 

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H2O said:
klink said:
Q1) When did someone coin the phrase "Big 3" and when did it become a widespread popular regimen?

In September of 1997, two asian-americans vacationing in Hong Kong who were smoking crack and shooting up rat poison in room 322 at the Hotel Hiyajiko came up with the phrase. After their untimely demise, due to overdose, authorities found their notebook "diary" with "The Big 3" scribbled on page 6 along with a list of three hair loss products. This almost indecipherable scrall was published the next day in the Hong Kong Daily and has been in widespread use ever since. :wink:

Hiyajiko seems like a Japanese name... what, so all asian cultures are the same to you, huh?? Typical western ignorance on display here....






..... :p
 

H2O

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kalbo said:
Hiyajiko seems like a Japanese name... what, so all asian cultures are the same to you, huh?? Typical western ignorance on display here....

..... :p

:D hehe...well yes. If I understand the history correctly, it was a Japanese based hotel chain that opened up a branch in Hong Kong. It was originally owned by a German subsidiary of a Hungarian parent corporation which also produced urinal cakes but was bought out by Hiyajiko-Yakamoto Industries in 1995 which promptly shut down the urinal cake factories based in Kamchatka and sold off the antiquated equipment to raise capital for the Hong Kong expansion of the Hiyajiko which was to be their flagship location...well, obviously besides their newly renovated Tokyo branch that had to be temporarily shut down for three days in 1998 due to the filming of the White Snake video "Facetious Face" which was never actually released due to a clause in the third paragraph of White Snake's contract with Warner forbidding any filming of Siberian Tigers within the same 359 celluloid frames of a Kangolese Wolf Monkey.
:smoke:

Actually I was just in Tokyo a few months ago and still have Japanese on the brain. I love Japan. A great culture and an amazing people...both in tradition and accomplishments...at least that was my impression. I'm definitely going back !!

Oh...and I didn't realize Hong Kong was an asian country...isn't Hong Kong the capital of Australia ? :hairy: God bless America and Cheese Fries !! :toma:

(...and my third grade geography teacher Mrs. Hammelfax who had thighs like a water buffolo)
 

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Yeah I have just been doing more reading and I was wondering how stuff like spironolactone had ranked compared to the big3 products.

H20 = don't quit your day job, The Onion said you still need to 'hone' your craft. :hairy:
 

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H2O i plan to marry a japanise women.ill proboably go work in japan after i finish studying,i never been there though ,but i know im gonna like it
 

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klink said:
Yeah I have just been doing more reading and I was wondering how stuff like spironolactone had ranked compared to the big3 products.

H20 = don't quit your day job, The Onion said you still need to 'hone' your craft. :hairy:

The Onion is awsome (I'm originally from Chicago where the Onion was "born") And no worries there...I know I don't even touch their eloquence... :)

roki said:
H2O i plan to marry a japanise women.ill proboably go work in japan after i finish studying,i never been there though ,but i know im gonna like it

Sounds like a good plan to me !! Check out Shibuya when you go....it's a cool section and has a lot of the younger stylie crowd living there....
 

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I can recall the Term "Big 3" being used as early as 1998 on alt.baldspot. Don't know how much before that the term was actually "coined".

In more recent years, forum members have been arguing that copper peptides should be added to the list making it "The Big 4".
 

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Cassin said:
hair_tomorrow said:
I can recall the Term "Big 3" being used as early as 1998 on alt.baldspot. Don't know how much before that the term was actually "coined".

Ahh I see.

Back "in the day" al.baldspot actually used to be a cool place to hang out - and as I recall, it was the only hairloss forum up and running.

Regular contributors included Dr. Proctor (nano / proxiphen fame), our very own "Bryan", John Ertel (before he started his own forum), and Tom Hagerty (SE Guru - who has since started his own forum) - and of course, yours truly.

Now alt.baldspot is just a waste of internet space.

PS: also back in the day, spironolactone seemed to be as popular then as it is now - but still didn't make it into "the big 3".
 
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