Newbie here, help!!

Jm0311

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ok. my first post. although i have read alot on here.
I am 23 and my front hairline is reciding. more noticeable now than a couple months ago. although it is not bad. i would love to get started on something that will slow done. while i go to the Derm. or should i even go to the Dermatologist? Right now i use Nioxin shampoo and conditioner. i take a multivitamin along with a silica tablet. i heard nioxin is a scam on here. and i also heard that alot of people get really bad shedding or something while using rogaine (minoxidil) right? and some doesnt come back!! what is Nizoral shampoo anyway? i read its for dandruff? why are people using it for baldness? i just really want my front to stop going back..any newbie suggesstions to get me rolling?
 

The Gardener

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I understand your concern, and would agree with the suggestion that adding in Nizoral would be beneficial for your hair.

Nizoral's main benefit is that it fights Malaseezia yeast, a natural scalp parasite that we all have on our heads. This yeast is an irritant, and causes an immune system/inflammatory response very similar to that caused by male pattern baldness, and the inflammatory effect of both the Malaseezia and male pattern baldness can be synergistic. By keeping the parasitic irritant at bay, Nizoral removes a major ambient source of scalp irritation. In doing so, it reduces the overall inflammatory response your body has to the male pattern baldness. Additionally, its also a mild anti-androgen, so it's a relatively cheap and easy to use tool and a good starting point.

As for adding in more potent treatments, you need to weigh out the fact that all of the current treatments, once started, need to be used for the rest of your life if you plan on maintaining any of the gains obtained from them.

There are two schools of thought on this. I am sure that many here have a goal of restoring all their hair (an "NW1") and trying to keep it for the rest of their lives through the use of the treatments. I tend to have a different outlook, I think that a good goal would be to try to maintain an "age appropriate" hairline, and the adding in of excessive treatment cost and tediousness needs to be outweighed by the relative condition of your hairline, for your age. I don't mind having a little recession, but I did want to thicken up some of the thin areas, and that is exactly what I have achieved.

Also keep in mind that hair recession and thinning does not occur overnight, or in a straight-line continuous pattern. It occurs in fits and starts... you will have a period of seemingly rapid recession, and then it will stabilize, usually for several years, then followed by another period of recession, then stabilization, etc, etc. Obviously, you have had a recent period of recession. I would hesitate tossing the kitchen sink at the problem right now, as if you are okay with your hairline now it might not degrade further for years, and doing treatments now would, in effect, be keeping hair that you are already going to keep even if you didn't take the treatment.

To determine this, recession events are usually accompanied by pronounced scalp irritation or itchiness. This is not necessarily the case, but it is common.

Taking all of this into account, if you are worried about your hairline but not yet feeling it to be an impending disaster, I would suggest getting started on just the Nizoral for now, and take pictures of your scalp and hairline. Then, over the next few months, make observations of your hairline and see if you are noticing any telltale itching in the traditional "male pattern baldness" balding areas. If you notice unfavorable changes from your baseline pictures, you might consider adding in finasteride.

Lastly, your username appears to indicate you are a Marine. If so, thanks for your service.
 

Far Too Young

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I echo the poster above in my gratitude.

That said, go see a dermatologist, and preferably one who knows something about hair. The one I saw was completely oblivious that Rogaine commonly causes an initial shed. This is fairly common knowledge amoung balders. You can generally figure out whether or not they have any experience with treating hair loss by the obvious appearance of their own thinning.

If you're 23 and you've experienced slight recession, your hair loss is probably fairly mild. I'm 18 and have experienced slight recession with some diffuse thinning, most pronounced at the vertex. Be thankful. But definitely get rid of that inflammation. It's helped me quite a bit.
 
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using nizoral shampoo with no finasteride/dutasteride(brand name Propecia/Avodart) is a recipe for disaster.
 

Jm0311

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Jayman,

why do you say that just using Nizoral is a spell for disaster????
i would like some input rather than you just saying that..because i was about to order it.

thank you all for your input...as far as my receding hairline is concerned..its not THAT bad yet..but its getting harder to manage...i was looking into a real good shampoo/conditioner/spray combo that would get my hair more managable/thicker/ and maybe even slow losing the hair process...i currently take Nioxin now...even though i heard it was a scam.
SOOOO many opinions on here i would love just to hear somone with alot of knowledge that can lead me in the right direction!
 

Far Too Young

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I wasn't suggesting that he ditch the finasteride. Nizoral alone before he gets on it wouldn't hurt, though. Would it?
 
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But Nizoral alone won´t keep his hair if he is actually losing it. he needs an oral DHT-Inhibitor in order to maintain his hair. He should see a doctor and have his male pattern baldness confirmed and then take action by ordering some Finasteride. He will most likely regret of not having done any further steps if he gets on Nizoral only. Good Luck Usmcmarine!
 

The Gardener

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How do any of you guys know that he is going to lose more hair? You know, not everyone that has male pattern baldness is on a ticket to an NW7, many have periods of recession from time to time, but maintain NW2s, 3s and 4s until the day they die.

He may have had a recession period, and I think that anyone with potential male pattern baldness should be using some Nizoral, but I think he needs to observe his scalp for a while. His hairline might be entering a period of stability after his recent recession event?
 
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The Gardener said:
How do any of you guys know that he is going to lose more hair? You know, not everyone that has male pattern baldness is on a ticket to an NW7, many have periods of recession from time to time, but maintain NW2s, 3s and 4s until the day they die.

He may have had a recession period, and I think that anyone with potential male pattern baldness should be using some Nizoral, but I think he needs to observe his scalp for a while. His hairline might be entering a period of stability after his recent recession event?

gardener who wants to maintain an nw3 or nw4 if they can avoid it? i think most would rather maintain an nw2. an nw4 is still pretty obvious balding, even nw3 is, because at that point the miniaturization in front is totally obvious to everyone looking. all you have is that thin strip of hair in front and once thats gone your hairline is now 5-6 inches from your eyebrows.

if you are right and he's only destined for nw4 in life without drugs, then taking finasteride will likely prevent him from getting there for 30 years.

marine,

"why do you say that just using Nizoral is a spell for disaster????
i would like some input rather than you just saying that..because i was about to order it. "

I already gave you input from the PM you sent me and explained to you and so it follows from that why using just nizoral is a bad idea. nizoral will likely not stop much hair loss if any by itself because it doesn't stop the fundamental cause of balding like finasteride does. Don't you want to stop the balding?
 
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