More genetic proof................

[michael barry]

Hello gentlemen.

In an earlier thread we had discussed the role of androgens and baldness and what explicity caused it. I have looked for evidences that women would go bald if simply given male hormone with pictures. I have found two.

Now I have found a third.


Before you click the link though...................be warned that the image is pornographic and disturbing and quite frankly, saddening. Some woman who did not want to be female has went on testosterone injections in order to be "like a man". She has not went through the dangerous sexual reassignment surgery, which can be dangerous and has a much higher rate of failure for women who want to be a man.

Here is "her" speaking (you have to click her face to "hear diesel speak"
http://www.roberthillreleasing.com/catalog/opening.php


I have another pic of "her", but its very graphic Im afraid.
If you scroll down on this link, http://www.wantedlist.com/DetailList.as ... 69&Tab=Cov you will see the woman is quite hairy when she does not shave her chest and arms and has body hair distribution just like a "hairy" man. I have looked all over the net for pictures of this person without a skullcap on and have not found one. I think its pretty safe to say that she has went male pattern bald like the other Female-to-Male transexual, Buck Angel, that I found.



I hope this "puts completely to rest" any things newbies hear about "shampoo causing baldness" or "baldness is just stress" or "we dont get enough fresh air" or any other nonsense. Baldness is caused by your hair's genetic reaction to male hormone and the ensuing inflammatory processes that result from it (in many cases), period.

If these pics prove anything, they prove that "you are your hormones", and in a way are a testament to perhaps trying topical anti-androgens like revivogen, spironolactone creams, ketoconazale shampoos (nizoral) before headrushing into internal anti-androgens.

 

[powersam]

but to say 'baldness is genetic' is to over simplify, just as to say 'cancer is genetic' is to over simplify. there are other factors which will exacerbate the condition etc.

 

[s.a.f]

I think that outside influences have more effect on cancer than they have on m.p.b. What I mean is that cancer is probably much less due to genetics than m.p.b is.

 

[chr1s]

You can't generalize cancer... there are many cancers that ARE in fact genetic and there are some that are not. I feel there's a point here that some people experiencing hair loss may not be genetic and some are.

I have read articles that say that the electronic waves emmitted from computer monitors and cell phones age your skin faster. I've taken a few precautions just in case this may affect the hair as well. I used to sleep with the cell phone right next to me, now not anymore and I limit my time on the pc. The only reason I feel electronic waves might have some impact on hair loss is because I have seen many "computer programming geeks" who wear glasses and their hair is thinning/balding as well. It's not really a generalization it's just an observation that I've seen.

 

[So]

but to say 'baldness is genetic' is to over simplify, just as to say 'cancer is genetic' is to over simplify. there are other factors which will exacerbate the condition etc.

Correct...

That person is however genetically still a "woman" regardless of her increased levels of testosterone.

Despite the fact the she-man may be bald as a result of her testosterone treatments suggests to me that she-man's cells are responding the changing internal environment.

I have read articles that say that the electronic waves emmitted from computer monitors and cell phones age your skin faster. I've taken a few precautions just in case this may affect the hair as well. I used to sleep with the cell phone right next to me, now not anymore and I limit my time on the pc. The only reason I feel electronic waves might have some impact on hair loss is because I have seen many "computer programming geeks" who wear glasses and their hair is thinning/balding as well. It's not really a generalization it's just an observation that I've seen.

There is a lot of literature complimenting what you say to a degree but it also doesn't explain why some people who use computers literally all day and night still have full heads of hair, with the exception they may not have a pre disposition to hair loss.

Either way EMF radiation is serious and your computer, both monitor and internal components emit enough radiation to cause concern.

 

[sphlanx2006]

I have read articles that say that the electronic waves emmitted from computer monitors and cell phones age your skin faster. I've taken a few precautions just in case this may affect the hair as well. I used to sleep with the cell phone right next to me, now not anymore and I limit my time on the pc. The only reason I feel electronic waves might have some impact on hair loss is because I have seen many "computer programming geeks" who wear glasses and their hair is thinning/balding as well. It's not really a generalization it's just an observation that I've seen.

I dont really believe all this things about computer screens and cellphones. I dont mean to offend you chr1s, i can understand why you take this precautions. But, for example i have a friends who spends 10x times more than me in front of the screen and his head is stuffed with hair. Another example is that i am the only computer user in my family, and i am the only one who is not wearing glasses.

To sum up, i will agree with michael barry. Exept extreme occasions, male pattern baldness is due to genetics. I am going bald because my father or my uncles from mother side are bald. Same as my friend who is not going bald because neither his dad nor his uncles are bald.

 

[So]

To add, EMF radiation, can impact, change and modify your DNA or at times even completely destroy it and your cellular structure.

 

[So]

Shplanx2006,

Just a note...

This is the same debate as often held with "diet". People try to justify that diet or in this case radiation is not a causative effect in the process of invoking or aggravating male pattern baldness by comparing against those people whom employ poor dietary choices or work equally as much as we do with computers (EMF). Such comparisons are flawed because many variables are discarded, those of which are important to understanding the potential relevance of each.

I have a close friend who not only eats crap daily, but also works with computers daily (his choice of profession) as is mine but of course has a full head of hair.

Now whilst he suffers from other niggling health issues associated with poor dietary choices he may NOT be predisposed by way of genetics to traditional male pattern baldness.

Radiation however does and certainly can damage your DNA and cellular structure. It may even do so enough to invoke male pattern baldness in those susceptible or it may modify DNA/genetic information to create variables necessary for male pattern baldness to be invoked.

Furthermore, the likes of you, compared to me, compared to Joe Blogs, carries many differences in that each of us may have resistance to oxidative stress and cellular damage measurable in different ways, quantities or effectiveness that makes it hard to conclude whether such topics are void of any relevance.

Just like the diet debate, radiation from computers, mobile phones and EMF in general is also going to suffer from the same ridicule.

I'm sitting on the fence on this one!