Brandon Mthson
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Anybody think a regimen of minoxidil and Revivogen can be a good beginning treatment for the early stages (nw1)? I was hoping to maybe be able to put off starting finasteride for a while.
minoxidil and Revivogen instead of finasteride in early stage? :)
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Yeah, finasteride looks fine for those without side-effects, but I'd like to put off modifying my hormonal system, if I can.
Do you think I should get off the minoxidil and start finasteride? (I've only been using the minoxidil once a day for the last 1 month out of 3, perhaps foolishly)
The guy at hairloss-reversible.com summarizes his concerns regarding systemic DHT inhibitiors (excerpts):
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However, DHT also plays an important role in the functioning of the central nervous system (the brain), the testicles and prostate, and almost everything but muscle tissue.
Even though both finasteride and dutasteride were developed to combat benign prostatic hyperplasic by reducing DHT in prostate tissue, some scientists question the wisdom of using these 5-alpha reductase inhibitors in younger men who have no problem with their prostates. A research chemist, Pat Arnold - “Evidence is mounting that the existence of a high estrogen/androgen ratio - a condition common in older men - is highly correlated with the development of benign prostatic hyperplastic.â€
Artificially low levels of DHT in the body could cause some unwanted conditions. DHT is an antagonist of estrogen. Men’s bodies also produce the female hormone estrogen in the adrenal glands although this is just one-tenth of the estrogen that premenopausal women produce in their ovaries. By reducing DHT with drugs a man’s protection from the effects of estrogen may also be reduced. Gynecomastia could be one result of this. Gynecomastia is abnormally large breasts in a male.
Propecia and Avodart cause a rise in testosterone levels because testosterone that would normally be converted into DHT remains testosterone. Continual high levels of testosterone in the body could possibly have negative side effects.
http://www.hairloss-reversible.com/Hair ... news10.htm
Do you think I should get off the minoxidil and start finasteride? (I've only been using the minoxidil once a day for the last 1 month out of 3, perhaps foolishly)
The guy at hairloss-reversible.com summarizes his concerns regarding systemic DHT inhibitiors (excerpts):
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However, DHT also plays an important role in the functioning of the central nervous system (the brain), the testicles and prostate, and almost everything but muscle tissue.
Even though both finasteride and dutasteride were developed to combat benign prostatic hyperplasic by reducing DHT in prostate tissue, some scientists question the wisdom of using these 5-alpha reductase inhibitors in younger men who have no problem with their prostates. A research chemist, Pat Arnold - “Evidence is mounting that the existence of a high estrogen/androgen ratio - a condition common in older men - is highly correlated with the development of benign prostatic hyperplastic.â€
Artificially low levels of DHT in the body could cause some unwanted conditions. DHT is an antagonist of estrogen. Men’s bodies also produce the female hormone estrogen in the adrenal glands although this is just one-tenth of the estrogen that premenopausal women produce in their ovaries. By reducing DHT with drugs a man’s protection from the effects of estrogen may also be reduced. Gynecomastia could be one result of this. Gynecomastia is abnormally large breasts in a male.
Propecia and Avodart cause a rise in testosterone levels because testosterone that would normally be converted into DHT remains testosterone. Continual high levels of testosterone in the body could possibly have negative side effects.
http://www.hairloss-reversible.com/Hair ... news10.htm
Brandon Mthson said:
The vast majority do not suffer side effects, if you are one of the unlucky few, you always have the option to stop using the drug.
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Well if this is so I would stop drinking milk, stop drinking alcohol, stop eating processed foods, non organic foods, red meat, simple sugars, stay away from artificial light sources after dark and do not take part in any physical activities.
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What does "the last 1 month out of 3" mean ?
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I mean I've been using minoxidil for 3 months, but the last month I've only been using it once per day, instead of twice.
Do you think I should get off the minoxidil if I start finasteride, since my hair loss is only in the early stages? I'm a nw1, just thinning, though rapidly, which could be the shedding period from the minoxidil or revivogen.
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Is there a minoxidil 'shedding period' ?
I would suggest if you are 20 or over to take 1mg of finasteride a day and hold off on the minoxidil untill you feel a consitent twice a day application is a reasonable trade off for a chance of some minor cosmetic regrowth.
It is also worth pointing out that minoxidil will not stop or even slow your hair loss, it will simply grow you some additional hair to take with you on the slide towards baldness.
Finasteride will slow or even (if you are lucky) stop your hair loss.
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Looking back, I wish I had gotten on finasteride FIRST and foremost.
I have been in minoxidil about two years, and finasteride for about 10 months. While minoxidil is great and gave me regrowth (I am 34, thinning since about 27), I really truly believe it is the finasteride that does the trick.
The bottom line is this. Think of you hair and scalp as trees on soil. minoxidil helps nurish the trees, and help them grow, but they are STILL on shitty topsoil...you have to get into the soil and change the chemical balance of the soil which will REALLY help the trees grow to their full potential.
minoxidil is good, but finasteride stops the DHT from killing those precious follicles. THAT is the most important thing.
If you have very little hairloss, I would suggest getting on finasteride asap.
I have been in minoxidil about two years, and finasteride for about 10 months. While minoxidil is great and gave me regrowth (I am 34, thinning since about 27), I really truly believe it is the finasteride that does the trick.
The bottom line is this. Think of you hair and scalp as trees on soil. minoxidil helps nurish the trees, and help them grow, but they are STILL on shitty topsoil...you have to get into the soil and change the chemical balance of the soil which will REALLY help the trees grow to their full potential.
minoxidil is good, but finasteride stops the DHT from killing those precious follicles. THAT is the most important thing.
If you have very little hairloss, I would suggest getting on finasteride asap.
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Brandon Mthson said:
Actually, that's probably NOT the reason. It's probably because the body deliberately raises the production of testosterone when it sees a sharp decline in DHT. It's a natural balancing mechanism by the body, an attempt to maintain a normal level of androgens.
Bryan
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Ok, it definitely sounds like I should drop the minoxidil and start finasteride. But do you guys really think minoxidil is not valuable as a preventative?
Hairlosstalk's article Prevent Hair loss, don't Regrow? describes minoxidil's effects, among its others, as that it is a vasodilator and "[appears] to normalize the hair follicular morphology." Do you think its vasodilating effects may help maintain the blood vessels feeding the scalp hair, which I understand wither with the progress of baldness? And maybe normalizing the follicular morphology may have a preventative effect on the follicle's miniturization process?
http://www.hairlosstalk.com/newsletter/article127.htm
Maybe even if that were the case, people in early stages should still hold off on it until a later stage?
Hairlosstalk's article Prevent Hair loss, don't Regrow? describes minoxidil's effects, among its others, as that it is a vasodilator and "[appears] to normalize the hair follicular morphology." Do you think its vasodilating effects may help maintain the blood vessels feeding the scalp hair, which I understand wither with the progress of baldness? And maybe normalizing the follicular morphology may have a preventative effect on the follicle's miniturization process?
http://www.hairlosstalk.com/newsletter/article127.htm
Maybe even if that were the case, people in early stages should still hold off on it until a later stage?
brandon, unless you are nw3 or more dont use minoxidil yet.
give one year for finasteride. i understand that you are afraid of sides. It is exaggerated in the forums. I had some mood swings initially which subsided.
Again, I wish I had started on finasteride 5 years ago.
By using minoxidil you are making the hairs minoxidil dependent. you have to use minoxidil for life.
give one year for finasteride. i understand that you are afraid of sides. It is exaggerated in the forums. I had some mood swings initially which subsided.
Again, I wish I had started on finasteride 5 years ago.
By using minoxidil you are making the hairs minoxidil dependent. you have to use minoxidil for life.
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techprof said:
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You have to use ANY drug-related hairloss treatment for life, including finasteride. That drawback is certainly not unique to minoxidil.
Hair transplants are the only permanent solution, and they certainly have their own limitations.
Bryan