Massive shedding after saw palmetto?

[bb008]

Hi All,

I too have been struggling past years with male pattern baldness.

I noticed a receding hairline back in 2013. It gradually crept back in the past 2 years.
I have a birthmark in my left temple, which kind of acts as a benchmarkt for me to see how far my hair has receded.

So the past few months I noticed my birthmark becoming more and more visible (especially when I pull my hair away).

So mid december i bought Saw palmetto caps (320mg standardized).
At first nothing noteworthy happened. I did notice at first that I had less hair falling out than usual. Also i would feel hot and tingly after taking SP in the beginning, which I guessed was due to the fatty acids in the pill.

Enter mid-january; 1 month into treatment. I have MASSIVE hairloss, massive shedding. Also I seem to lose healthy looking hairs (hair that are thick and have a small white head) alongside thin hairs and hairs with weird bents in them. When I would wash my hair in the morning I would easily have 20/30 hairs on my hands and in the sink. I would also find hairs on my desk during the day, so I felt I was loosing much more hair than the average 100 hairs/day

Also my libido is through the roof! I am ridicilously horny. I fapped somedays twice/thrice a day and almost immediately after feel horny again. When I was laying with a girl, i would be hard like 75% of the time, even when we were just laying in bed (while doing nothing).

I noticed my hairline receding rapidly back. My birthmark is now completely visible and my hairline has receded to behind the birthmark within the past 1,5/2 months. And i can also see my scalp through the hairs on my temple (about 1 - 2 cm inwards).

My libido has decreased a little over the past 2 days, kind of back to the normal levels. Hairs are still falling out.

So my questions are:
1) Is this type of shedding normal?
2) Why is my hairline receding back even further and faster than before?
3) Should I stop using SP?
4) Since my body seems to tolerate saw palmetto (i have no sexual sides), should I try finestaride? I am very cautious of the potential sexual sides of finestaride, which is keeping me from trying it.
5) If i stop using SP, will the shedded hair grow back?
6) I've also increased my gym workout intensity. I'm also using Protein powder supplements and HMB now (as of end december). I've gained some extra muscles the past month (+- 0.5 - 1kg). Could the accelerated hair loss be due to higher testosterone levels due to muscle gain?

I'm also considering saying ***** this and cut my hair really short and ease into the upcoming baldness and wait for a miraculous stem cell cure which we all know is coming within 5 years (lol!)

 

[diablodh]

Drop both HMB and Saw Palmeto, replace HMB with BCCA reduce workout intensity avoid too much body stress get more rest between workouts.

 

[bb008]

So you're suggesting I have to choose with keeping my hair a little while longer and becoming scrawy again, or going bald faster but staying more muscular.

I stopped HMB on Saturday. My libido has returned to normal, though I have no idea whether this is related to HMB.
I'll keep using SP until the weekend. If see no improvements in shedding, I'll stop using SP too and see what happens n the next 2 weeks.

 

[diablodh]

So you're suggesting I have to choose with keeping my hair a little while longer and becoming scrawy again, or going bald faster but staying more muscular.

I stopped HMB on Saturday. My libido has returned to normal, though I have no idea whether this is related to HMB.
I'll keep using SP until the weekend. If see no improvements in shedding, I'll stop using SP too and see what happens n the next 2 weeks.

I'll explain:
HMB contains β-hydroxy-β-methylbutyrate it increases Testosterone conversion to DHT which is a more potent version and is also responsible hair loss.
Saw Palmeto is estrogen blocker and inhibitor of 5AR that converts testosterone into DHT.

If you need to gain more in fitness use nettle root supplement it increases free testosterone that is bio available combine it with ZMA. Nettle root will also protect hair follicles and prostate from DHT as it replaces DHT binding to androgen receptors.

 

[bb008]

Are you sure about that?
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15574078

This study claims it does not impact testoterone levels. HMB works by reducing Cortisol (muscle breakdown)

 

[bb008]

I just read a few articles about SP. It seems that in some individuals it can massively boost free testosterone. Apparently i am one of those individuals, considering my massive libidi spike.
I have no idea whether HMB also boosts testosterone, as several studies found no evidence of this.
However, more muscle = more testosterone, so it could by this mechanism that HMB also increases DHT.

Do you have any idea how my body will reacy to finestaride? I read that SP and finasteride works by comparable mechanisms. Is this true?

 

[diablodh]

Do not mistake Testosterone and DHT more testosterone is good more DHT not so good for hair and prostate.
finasteride is a lot stronger than SP it inhibits 70% of DHT production and that can result in unpleasant sides like E.D , gyno and loss of libido if you are one of the unlucky bunch.