man if only i could go back in time...can anyone help???

[youngndumb]

i just turned 23 years old, didnt notice i was receding until people started pointing it out. as anyone whos been through it knows that really screwed with my head. nobody in my family on either side is bald or thinning. im takling no uncles, my dad, or any grandfathers with thin hair. this made things ever worse because i wasnt expecting it, like someone with it in their family would. i eventually looked into what i could do about in n decided to get on propecia. i was extremely depressed n wore a hat, which i never had before, whenever i could. i was/still am extremely depressed about it, especially when people just couldnt believe i was losing my hair at 19-20. so i looked into getting my receded hairline "fixed". if only i found this website before i decided to do it. i figured in a quick visit id have a full head of hair again and i could get on with my life happily. big mistake. i got a strip procedure done, not really thinking about the scarring or the pitting t would leave on my head. after a year there were still many bald spots in the donor region so i went back to the Doctor to see what the deal was. he basically said i just needed more grafts and it would be perfect. a "touch up" as he called it. so i got a second procedure done last year. the resulting scar was thicker and more noticeable than the first, and my hair still isnt full...in fact the grafts grow like friggin body hair so i cant grow my hair long, and shaving to short reveals the huge mistake ive made...twice! i wish to god i could go back a couple years ago and just shaved my head, but now im stuck with bigass scars and pitting, not to mention obvious grafts with bald spots. just wondering if there is anything i can do to reverse this crap and ust shave my head without anything being noticeable, no charred up head. im wondering if this juvista ever comes out if a scar revision with trico and injecting the drug would heal nicely, but who knows. also if i waited to FUE the grafts and inject juvista into the recipient area would reduce scarring. can this be done? cant the grafts be extracted and placed into the strip scars? i feel so foolish to have done anything at all. my insecurities got the best of me, but now im paying for my stupid mistake. any suggestions from anyone with a similar problem? has anyone gotten a reversal and are able to just shave ur head with minimal scarring? any help would be appreciated

 

[not me!]

Damn, man. I'm so sorry you have had to go through this at 23. Hell, I'd be super sorry if you had to go through this at any age.

I started thinning early too. At 18. By the time I was 25 I was a NW4. I know what its like to wear a hat 24/7. You're trapped under it. I even turned down employment that would force me to go hatless.

All this just from thinning. I cannot imagine the pain of having disfiguring scars.

The first thing you should do is NOT go back to the hack that butchered you. You have been lied to. Plain and simple. Your story is a shocking reminder that the "dark ages" of hair transplant surger have not yet gone away. There are still butchers out there. Lots of them.

I realize you have some pretty bad scars but is there a way you can style/cut your hair to hide them? Perhaps if you went to a high-priced salon with a very reputable stylist? They are usually worth the extra cash in situations like these (no really!)

I hate to say it but if you cannot find a solution like that then your next step may be more surgery. Perhaps a scar revision and some recipient area work to mask the pitting and scarring. Repair cases are quite common with top physicians. I have seen some VERY impressive cases.

***I am NOT advocating you run back into a chair, I am just presenting options.***

FUE into the scars may be another option, but I have seen some very promising results from revisions using the trichphytic closure technique. This can be a win/win because more grafts can be harvested from the same scar to sprinkle into the recipient site, masking pitting and scarring, giving a fuller look while at the same time closing and hiding the scars much better.

Obviously, do not go back to the physician you originally went to.

Keep your head up, man. I know it's hard and I feel for you. I'm only 27 and I am lucky to have ended up with the physician I did on the first time around. If I can be of any help, let me know. Even if you just want someone to listen.

Chin up, bro.

 

[michael barry]

youngndumb wrote : "

Joined: 11 Jun 2006
Posts: 1

Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 1:05 pm Post subject: man if only i could go back in time...can anyone help???

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

i just turned 23 years old, didnt notice i was receding until people started pointing it out. as anyone whos been through it knows that really screwed with my head. nobody in my family on either side is bald or thinning. im takling no uncles, my dad, or any grandfathers with thin hair. this made things ever worse because i wasnt expecting it, like someone with it in their family would. i eventually looked into what i could do about in n decided to get on propecia. i was extremely depressed n wore a hat, which i never had before, whenever i could. i was/still am extremely depressed about it, especially when people just couldnt believe i was losing my hair at 19-20. so i looked into getting my receded hairline "fixed". if only i found this website before i decided to do it. i figured in a quick visit id have a full head of hair again and i could get on with my life happily. big mistake. i got a strip procedure done, not really thinking about the scarring or the pitting t would leave on my head. after a year there were still many bald spots in the donor region so i went back to the Doctor to see what the deal was. he basically said i just needed more grafts and it would be perfect. a "touch up" as he called it. so i got a second procedure done last year. the resulting scar was thicker and more noticeable than the first, and my hair still isnt full...in fact the grafts grow like friggin body hair so i cant grow my hair long, and shaving to short reveals the huge mistake ive made...twice! i wish to god i could go back a couple years ago and just shaved my head, but now im stuck with bigass scars and pitting, not to mention obvious grafts with bald spots. just wondering if there is anything i can do to reverse this crap and ust shave my head without anything being noticeable, no charred up head. im wondering if this juvista ever comes out if a scar revision with trico and injecting the drug would heal nicely, but who knows. also if i waited to FUE the grafts and inject juvista into the recipient area would reduce scarring. can this be done? cant the grafts be extracted and placed into the strip scars? i feel so foolish to have done anything at all. my insecurities got the best of me, but now im paying for my stupid mistake. any suggestions from anyone with a similar problem? has anyone gotten a reversal and are able to just shave ur head with minimal scarring? any help would be appreciated "




Ive seen so many men on various websites with stories just like this in the past three years. See this man who works for George Bush here http://www.buckfush.com/images/bush_Mic ... ertoff.jpg

Once, he had hair. He proboably wasn't receeding at 20 either, but may have been. Can you see how phucked he'd be if he'd opted for plugs?
Many men think that modern treatments will absolutely stop baldness. Experience tells us otherwise. I was looking at a guys (the site wont paste) at hairlosstalk who has a head of awful plugs. Hes went completely horseshoe behind them in just a few years. Wearin' a toupee' because he has too. He's lookin' into body hair which is horribly expensive (and usually looks bad to boot). Financially strained, mid/late twenties. And would give anything if he could just buzz his head, but there are too many scars.

I hope all of you heed these warnings if your 22 or so, thinkin' "Ill just need a few and I'll look so cool". You might for 5, or even 10 years......................but then may have a crisis in your life. Gotta get more. There are only so many back there to get. Look at Chertoff again. Buzz cuts and gym bods aint that bad. Scraggely thinnish comb-overs always suck .

Youngndumb,
If you dont have many hundreds of plugs, you might be able to electrolysis them out. But you still have a white scar problem and a donor scar problem. You can get plugs put in donor scars. I suggest body hairs for this if you wish to wear a short haircut. If you have too many plugs to excise without looking like a cheetah, just get the first couple of rows of them and fill in with what you have. You may have to resort to body hair. Yes, you might be working a second job for a few years to pay for all this. Plan on spending 20 thousand if you need extensive work. Stay on the propecia and nizoral at the very least. Look into treatments to help you keep what you have up there. If you get body hair, dont use receptor blockers or anti-androgens topically as they will supress it. Keep up with the minoxidil. I know, it sucks. BE sure and tell others about it online, so men who are too young know what they are getting into.

Back to top

 

[not me!]

I suggest body hairs for this if you wish to wear a short haircut.

I have to disagree with you there. You said yourself that body hairs look terrible. While I have seen some ok looking BHT results a much more viable option would be to go to a reputable, skilled, and ethical hair restoration physician to have some more grafts harvested to properly mask the scarring and pitting and tricho the scars. Why would he go through the MAJOR expense of getting BHT when a physician is proficient in repair cases can do a tremendous job at a fraction of the cost?

Again, I am not advocating surgery, but I had to speak up when michael barry suggests BHT when a good FUT repair coupled with a tricho closure of the scars would be a much more viable and cheaper solution.

 

[youngndumb]

thanks for the replies. just curious, does anyone know of pics of people that have gotten a reversal done? im talking a reversal of modern-day hair transplant, not outdated plugs. my ultimate goal is to basically look like i hadnt had any surgical work done, i dont want any more hair transplants, and would much rather go back to the receding state before i had done anything in the first place. i know thats not really practical but it seems that there are at least a few options available to make things better than they are now. i wish i would have done more research and not gotten anything done at all, or at least known about FUE which supposedly isnt very noticable n can keep your hair really short, or at the very least the trico method. i had a hair transplant in may 2004, and may 2005, and the "great, reputable Doctor" didn't do nor tell me about these techniques. this is really making me sick to my stomach. i mean what would u do if u were/are in my position. i dont want to visit another surgeon just yet, with him selling me a procedure that leaves me worse off. thats how i got myself into this mess. im wondering if i can just deal with it for a couple years if more promising techniques for reversal will come out, as hard as that'll be. i wish i knew what to do. i feel like i've ruined my entire life.

 

[beau]

young n dumb your in a bad sit and i can relate as there myself..........if you want best advice ring,e-mail, send pics to Dr Fellar in NY.....if your after miracle your going to be dissapointed.....set yours sights realistic and i think he could help you. Also check out Micropigmentation on the net as it could be of great interest and some help.......these are not perfection but believe they can help mate............hope this has helped.

 

[michael barry]

Not me,

As fast as he is losing hair.........he's proboably destined to go completely bald and you KNOW IT. He started losing it in his damned teens. Almost certainly destined to have a small wreath. Will not "have enough" to do a repair with just head hair in all proboability.

I truthfully think body hair is way too expensive, but does he really have any other long term choice. Without a densomiter to accurately measure his hair number YOU DONT KNOW EITHER.


Youngndumb, Here is what 30 thousand dollars worth of body hair transplants look like http://www.hairsite4.com/dc/dcboard.php ... &mode=full

Here is another large body hair job http://www.hairsite4.com/dc/dcboard.php ... &mode=full > Scroll down the thread for a look. No, its not head hair. Only you know how much head hair you have to play with. Hint, after taking about half the wreath.........youre kinda stuck. If your plugs are really "pluggish", a good Doctor like Cole can break them up and re-implant individual hairs from them.

I know you were a bad candidate for this surgery. Just the kind of young person that I hope sees a few of my posts and reconsiders. I hope you take the time to tell a few young people online that Surgery is for older guys who have stabilized loss. The risk of going completely bald behind the plugs are too great.

To see if you have big-scars.......Pluck the first row and wait for a couple of days (this will irritate your skin). White dots? Really bad? If you do, you might look into repair. Research hard. You might financially be stuck doing another strip (FUE is expensive), but a Doctor with at least the capability to do FUE (many FUE docs do strips also) shows he's up with the latest in technology. God bless young man.

 

[youngndumb]

in no way will i get another strip procedure, not under any circumstances. i am hoping that i can hold on to the hair i have before it starts to look really stupid with recession behind the grafts. i don't have really large pluggy grafts, as this was only done last year and the year before.so i am not interested in removing them and replacing them on the scalp, unless, of course, they can be extracted somehow and placed back into the donor area. i am basically looking for a reversal, and not a continuation of hair transplants. i basically just want to shave my head, and no longer care about the baldness, just the scars. i am wondering if this TRICO procedure works with a revision and not just a virgin scalp. also, i can't afford to do anything now anyways, but in the next couple years im definitely hoping something will come out that will help. if i had waited and researched more idve gotten FUE doneand been able to live without this constant "sick" feeling in my stomach because of the scars. but at the time I thought the "state of the art" procedure was something new. i saw a post about this stuff called Juvista like i said, and it supposedly prevents any scarring. i think ill wait and see iff maybe, just maybe, a scar revision involving Juvista and the Trico closure will help at least a little. as far as i know the grafts can be removed and the scarring can be diminished. the strip scars are my biggest concern, and side from FUEing into them, it doesnt seem theres too much i can do. but i have to live with this for the rest of my life and its a constant reminder of how dumb i was. but what else can i do but try to live on the best i can. its really, really hard and sometimes i feel like just pulling a trigger(its that bad), but right now all i can do is hopefully get some answers from u guys out there that are in the same boat or were at least. i have nobody to talk to that can relate except people on this site, so any feedback is greatly, greatly appreciated.

 

[not me!]

Not me,

As fast as he is losing hair.........he's proboably destined to go completely bald and you KNOW IT. He started losing it in his damned teens. Almost certainly destined to have a small wreath. Will not "have enough" to do a repair with just head hair in all proboability.

I don't know it...and you don't either. I have seen and talked to guys that started losing hair in their teens and were completely bald at 30 (my brother, for instance). I have seen and talked to guys that started losing in their teens and early twenties, went to a NW2 and were at a NW2 at 60+ with no treatment whatsoever. It's genetics. I started to lose at 17 and was a NW2 at 20. I was a NW4 (closing in on a 5) at 25. I know what it's like to lose hair at that age. Not once did I tell this guy that he would or would not have enough hair to do anything. I told him of a couple of options that have been viable for patients that I have personally seen.

In all probability, he most likely does have enough hair remaining in his donor for the following possible scenario:

Step 1 - revisit the long, thin scar and harvest enough grafts to mask the pitting and scarring from the first procedures; giving him enough coverage to look natural.

Step 2 - utilize the trichophytic closure on that thin scar.

Step 3 - harvest grafts via FUE to transplant into the shorter, fatter scar

OR

Step 3 - revisit and utilize the trichophytic closure technique on the shorter, fatter scar

OR

Step 3 - harvest enough grafts from the original thin scar to transplant into the shorter, fatter scar when harvesting grafts to transplant into the recipient area.

As you can clearly see, each of these scenarios would accomplish these three things for this gentlemen provided that his current situation deemed him a good candidate (available donor hair, etc.)

1) His recipient area would have a natural appearance once again, albeit he will most likely not have full coverage. It will at least look natural.

2) Both scars would be suitably concealed either using trichophytic closure revisitation and/or grafts placed in the scars. This would depend on his choice and the physician's recommendation.

3) This is a much more viable solution economically than BHT.

4) This is a much more viable solution when considering BHT yield rates vs. scalp hair yield rates.

5) This is a much more viable solution when considering the natural appearance of scalp hair vs. the not-always-so-natural-looking BHT appearance.

I truthfully think body hair is way too expensive, but does he really have any other long term choice. Without a densomiter to accurately measure his hair number YOU DONT KNOW EITHER.

Anyone outside of a psych ward would agree that BHT is too expensive, especially when considered against it's limited availability and it's severely llimited proven results. You are wrong that he has no other long-term choice, however. As I said above, it would depend on his available donor area hair and other factors.

I know you were a bad candidate for this surgery. Just the kind of young person that I hope sees a few of my posts and reconsiders. I hope you take the time to tell a few young people online that Surgery is for older guys who have stabilized loss. The risk of going completely bald behind the plugs are too great.

You don't know that he was a bad candidate. You don't know that he was a good candidate. I also don't know. That's why we're both here trying to help the guy by presenting options that we both know about. Arguing about the "correct" way to go about it is going to get us nowhere. Let's just agree to disagree and go on with the thread in a civilized fashion.

To see if you have big-scars.......Pluck the first row and wait for a couple of days (this will irritate your skin). White dots? Really bad? If you do, you might look into repair. Research hard. You might financially be stuck doing another strip (FUE is expensive), but a Doctor with at least the capability to do FUE (many FUE docs do strips also) shows he's up with the latest in technology. God bless young man.

While I don't agree that he will get much info from plucking hairs (that's not a very scientific method to base a decision on) I do agree that he may very well be capable of getting a very good scar revision done using the method (or similar method) that I outlined above.

 

[michael barry]

Hey "not me",

Does this guy http://www.buckfush.com/images/bush_Mic ... ertoff.jpg have enough for a hair transplant?

You know what, he wasnt always bald either. Once had a full head of hair, like youngndumb did only 5 or 6 years ago.

By the way, I looked at YOUR pics. You are going full bore with transplants and dont have nearly the hair that I do and Im a decade older than you. Youre taking dutasteride, which means youre taking a health risk by cutting type 1 alpha five reductase DHT which is PRESENT IN OUR BRAINS. There is a reason that Glaxo-Smith-Kline didnt release that stuff son. Hope you dont have a severe aggressive prostate cancer in thirty years from it, but thats off subject. Are YOU sure your DONE losing hair years down the line?

Its funny, Ive talked to men in an office at HairClub for Men a few years ago when I tried their overpriced EXT program (all I knew back then was propecia and nizoral), and some of them told me they didnt even notice recession until they were early 30's. Now they wear toupee's because they went completely bald in a little more than 10 years. Lots of guys there at hair club are there to wear rugs to cover up transplants where the "patient" realized he was running out of donor hair to cover his big bald head. The transplant Doctor who will operate on a man under thirty realizes that the guy will no doubt be back again and again over the years. And you seem so "sure" that youre not going to lose anymore ever. Of course on dutasteride, the recession may be extremely slow...................but youre literally willing to risk your long term health for your so-so hair. Dutasteride was meant for severe cases of prostate hyperplasia by the way in older men. Not men in their twenties. Oh well.........


I bet youngndumb wishes he could go back and just have a shaved head, oh wait.............I KNOW HE DOES BECAUSE HE SAID HE DID.



Youngndumb, the only way to tell about your scarring is to do like I said....pull the first row or so of plugs (or even just a few of them) and look hard in the good bathroom light. I dont know if you have bad cobbelstoning, damaged skin. Its possible if you opt for a repair, you can move the hairline back a tad and angle the corners off somewhat.


Here is an example of a really good surgeon doing a good job on a guy who didnt have tons of hair http://forhair.com/fue_hair_restoration_results.html That surgeon is in Atlanta, and is one of the most ethical and honest. He's also one of the best. He tells patients straight away that they will never have "Elvis hair". He can do FUE and is advanced enough to do body hair. Body hair, despite what the nitwit on this thread is telling you (a nitwit so happy about his transplant results that he has 931 posts............mostly in the surgical forum, and is on dutasteride at a young age...hmmmm), can be used to fill in big donor scars. Some guys use it to give a little density. Its expensive though, and not as good as scalp hair. Until cloning, gene therapy, hedgehog agonists, etc......Its about all we have for now.

I, unlike many, empathize with you. Ive seen pics of men whove made a mess of their heads believing in slick salesmen working for unscrupulous docs. Most of these guys have to wear rugs now for 1500 a year for the rest of their lives. They'd give anything to be able to just buzz it, but cant. Hair transplant numbers are down, as many men now say "screw it, if its cool enough for Michael Jordon, Vin Diesel, The Rock, Lex Luthor, Bruce Willis......its cool enough for me". They save the 10 thousand and just treat their scalp skin health lotion and buzz away. Knowing what I do now, I think they are smart to do so. Just think, if cloning comes out or hedgehog analogs or gene therapy.....these same men who didnt give a rat's *** will have full heads of hair again. And guys who cut their scalps up to pieces with many thousands of holes proboably wont benefit nearly as much as many of the dormant follicles will have been destroyed by the cuts and damaged skin. Good luck. Im not after your money.

 

[michael barry]

Hey "not me",

Does this guy http://www.buckfush.com/images/bush_Mic ... ertoff.jpg have enough for a hair transplant?

You know what, he wasnt always bald either. Once had a full head of hair, like youngndumb did only 5 or 6 years ago.

By the way, I looked at YOUR pics. You are going full bore with transplants and dont have nearly the hair that I do and Im a decade older than you. Youre taking dutasteride, which means youre taking a health risk by cutting type 1 alpha five reductase DHT which is PRESENT IN OUR BRAINS. There is a reason that Glaxo-Smith-Kline didnt release that stuff son. Hope you dont have a severe aggressive prostate cancer in thirty years from it, but thats off subject. Are YOU sure your DONE losing hair years down the line?

Its funny, Ive talked to men in an office at HairClub for Men a few years ago when I tried their overpriced EXT program (all I knew back then was propecia and nizoral), and some of them told me they didnt even notice recession until they were early 30's. Now they wear toupee's because they went completely bald in a little more than 10 years. Lots of guys there at hair club are there to wear rugs to cover up transplants where the "patient" realized he was running out of donor hair to cover his big bald head. The transplant Doctor who will operate on a man under thirty realizes that the guy will no doubt be back again and again over the years. And you seem so "sure" that youre not going to lose anymore ever. Of course on dutasteride, the recession may be extremely slow...................but youre literally willing to risk your long term health for your so-so hair. Dutasteride was meant for severe cases of prostate hyperplasia by the way in older men. Not men in their twenties. Oh well.........


I bet youngndumb wishes he could go back and just have a shaved head, oh wait.............I KNOW HE DOES BECAUSE HE SAID HE DID.



Youngndumb, the only way to tell about your scarring is to do like I said....pull the first row or so of plugs (or even just a few of them) and look hard in the good bathroom light. I dont know if you have bad cobbelstoning, damaged skin. Its possible if you opt for a repair, you can move the hairline back a tad and angle the corners off somewhat.


Here is an example of a really good surgeon doing a good job on a guy who didnt have tons of hair http://forhair.com/fue_hair_restoration_results.html That surgeon is in Atlanta, and is one of the most ethical and honest. He's also one of the best. He tells patients straight away that they will never have "Elvis hair". He can do FUE and is advanced enough to do body hair. Body hair, despite what the nitwit on this thread is telling you (a nitwit so happy about his transplant results that he has 931 posts............mostly in the surgical forum, and is on dutasteride at a young age...hmmmm), can be used to fill in big donor scars. Some guys use it to give a little density. Its expensive though, and not as good as scalp hair. Until cloning, gene therapy, hedgehog agonists, etc......Its about all we have for now.

I, unlike many, empathize with you. Ive seen pics of men whove made a mess of their heads believing in slick salesmen working for unscrupulous docs. Most of these guys have to wear rugs now for 1500 a year for the rest of their lives. They'd give anything to be able to just buzz it, but cant. Hair transplant numbers are down, as many men now say "screw it, if its cool enough for Michael Jordon, Vin Diesel, The Rock, Lex Luthor, Bruce Willis......its cool enough for me". They save the 10 thousand and just treat their scalp skin health lotion and buzz away. Knowing what I do now, I think they are smart to do so. Just think, if cloning comes out or hedgehog analogs or gene therapy.....these same men who didnt give a rat's *** will have full heads of hair again. And guys who cut their scalps up to pieces with many thousands of holes proboably wont benefit nearly as much as many of the dormant follicles will have been destroyed by the cuts and damaged skin. Good luck. Im not after your money.

 

[Aplunk1]

Michael,

why all the personal attacks? You've even attacked me in other threads.

This forum is encouraged for the spread of information. Why are you putting other people down for expressing their opinions?

I've researched dutasteride up and down, and have decided to use it at my SOLE discretion. Not yours, mine. Many people have also chosen this route. If it's one thing we don't need, it's another guy who flames people for their choices.

Why must you take a tone of insolence among our fellow members here?

 

[not me!]

I'm going to start off by letting you know that this will be my last response to you. You have effectively turned this guy's plea for help into yet another argument. I encourage anyone that is actually listening to what michael barry is saying to look at his other posts in other threads. Nothing but arguing.

I told you I am not here to argue with you but that is the tone you keep even when I counter every one of your hairbrained scare tactics with real, proven repair techniques. Your further confirm your idiocy by taking a hostile tone toward me even though I have said in nearly every post to this guy that I am not advocating surgery. Can you get that through your head? No, I guess not. Especially when you are advocating surgery:

Here is an example of a really good surgeon doing a good job on a guy who didnt have tons of hair http://forhair.com/fue_hair_restoration_results.html That surgeon is in Atlanta, and is one of the most ethical and honest.

Youngndumb, Here is what 30 thousand dollars worth of body hair transplants look like http://www.hairsite4.com/dc/dcboard.php ... &mode=full

Here is another large body hair job http://www.hairsite4.com/dc/dcboard.php ... &mode=full > Scroll down the thread for a look. No, its not head hair. Only you know how much head hair you have to play with. Hint, after taking about half the wreath.........youre kinda stuck. If your plugs are really "pluggish", a good Doctor like Cole can break them up and re-implant individual hairs from them.

I notice that you're a big fan of Dr. Cole's work. Hmmm...

By the way, I looked at YOUR pics. You are going full bore with transplants and dont have nearly the hair that I do and Im a decade older than you. Youre taking dutasteride, which means youre taking a health risk by cutting type 1 alpha five reductase DHT which is PRESENT IN OUR BRAINS. There is a reason that Glaxo-Smith-Kline didnt release that stuff son. Hope you dont have a severe aggressive prostate cancer in thirty years from it, but thats off subject. Are YOU sure your DONE losing hair years down the line?

First of all, I'm not going "full bore" transplants. As you can see, I had my hairline reconstructed to a mature level that will look just as natural at 70 as it does at 27. Nice try, though.

Yes, I take Dutasteride under the supervision of Dr. Jerry Cooley. The same physician that conducted my two "full bore" :roll: transplants. You know who that is, don't you? With your extensive "research" into hair cell culturing techniques you should. He's the United States spokesperson for Intercytex and has been heavily researching hair cell culturing for the past 10 years. I have extensively researched the medication and discussed it with him and we both came to the conclusion that it was worth trying for me. I'm sorry, nutjob, but I will take his advice over your any day of any week of any year. You're just a sad man looking for an argument over the internet. Throw all the stones you want. Your behavior is particularly pathetic due to your stated age:

Im a decade older than you.

Noone can be sure that they have stopped thinning, least of all me or any guy that started thinning in their teens. However, until a better solution comes available (and it will) my current medicinal regimen works fine for me.

Thanks for the concern, though. :roll:

Its funny, Ive talked to men in an office at HairClub for Men a few years ago when I tried their overpriced EXT program (all I knew back then was propecia and nizoral), and some of them told me they didnt even notice recession until they were early 30's.

I was telling another poster about the uncertainty of the manner in which male pattern baldness affects men of different ages just today. Please continue...

Now they wear toupee's because they went completely bald in a little more than 10 years. Lots of guys there at hair club are there to wear rugs to cover up transplants where the "patient" realized he was running out of donor hair to cover his big bald head. The transplant Doctor who will operate on a man under thirty realizes that the guy will no doubt be back again and again over the years. And you seem so "sure" that youre not going to lose anymore ever. Of course on dutasteride, the recession may be extremely slow...................but youre literally willing to risk your long term health for your so-so hair. Dutasteride was meant for severe cases of prostate hyperplasia by the way in older men. Not men in their twenties. Oh well.........

Actually, Dutasteride wasn't "meant" for specifically that at all. That's just what it was originally marketed for. But thanks for playing. Perhaps you should go back and check your medicinal history.

As far as my "long-term health" is concerned, I have been using it for 1.5 years while getting regular blood work done. I have had no adverse readings or reactions so far. But again, thanks for the concern... :roll:

I bet youngndumb wishes he could go back and just have a shaved head, oh wait.............I KNOW HE DOES BECAUSE HE SAID HE DID.

er...who is disputing that? Certainly not me. I simply presented a possible repair scenario to the guy. You're the one pushing him into the most expensive and undocumented hair transplant technique available (BHT).

Youngndumb, the only way to tell about your scarring is to do like I said....pull the first row or so of plugs (or even just a few of them) and look hard in the good bathroom light. I dont know if you have bad cobbelstoning, damaged skin. Its possible if you opt for a repair, you can move the hairline back a tad and angle the corners off somewhat.

Youngndumb, this is the most unscientific approach I have ever heard of to determine if you are a good candidate for repair surgery. If you seriously think about repair surgery then you need to consult at least a few ethical and reputable hair restoration physicians that are skilled in repair cases.

Body hair, despite what the nitwit on this thread is telling you (a nitwit so happy about his transplant results that he has 931 posts............mostly in the surgical forum, and is on dutasteride at a young age...hmmmm), can be used to fill in big donor scars. Some guys use it to give a little density. Its expensive though, and not as good as scalp hair. Until cloning, gene therapy, hedgehog agonists, etc......Its about all we have for now.

Actually, I invite you to look through my past posts. I'm willing to bet that I have less than 100 posts in the surgical section of the board. Again, why are you harping on a relatively undocumented and extremely expensive BHT session when scalp hair is

1) MUCH less expensive
2) MUCH more natural-appearing
3) Able to be harvested from an existing scar, which in turn, that scar can be closed using the trichphytic closure technique saving the guy THOUSANDS of dollars, effectively sealing his scars in an aesthetically-acceptable manner, and giving him suitable hair to cover his pitting and scarring.

You're giving this guy BAD advice just because you have decided to argue with me. Well, I'm not interested in arguing but I am not going to stand idle and let you make someone think that BHT is his only option when it is not.

Good luck. Im not after your money.

At first I didn't think so but now I'm starting to wonder.

 

[Aplunk1]

I'm not the only one who thinks Michael is a shithead for his insolent tone.

 

[michael barry]

Not me wrote "Actually, Dutasteride wasn't "meant" for specifically that at all. That's just what it was originally marketed for. But thanks for playing. Perhaps you should go back and check your medicinal history"

Dutasteride was designed for prostate hyperplasia, ITS A FLAT OUT LIE to suggest otherwise. Period.


Aplunk, why 2-thousand posts on the same website in since just decemebr of last year? Thats 2000+ posts in a year and 7 months. Nobody I have ever seen spends that much time on a hairwebsite. Ever. Bryan Shelton hasnt posted nearly that much, and unlike you, he knows what he is talking about. Where do you find all this spare time? You ARE NOT a moderator in the forum, youre not employed to waste your young life away by posting THAT MUCH. I only have 400-something post in 2 years. 90% of my posts are related to new research on cloning, biochemical realities inside the follicle, topical treatments that try to immodulate immuno-damage, and effective topical-anti-androgens and their systemic absorbtion. Anyone can read the other posts Ive made and see that I actually have very few posts in the surgical forums. But the posts I make garner alot of attention because they slice through mountains of bullshit with a simple salient fact: many men who start to lose hair young, eventually go completely bald. A general rule of thumb that every dermatologist Ive ever talked to was, the sooner you start to lose hair, the more likely you will go completely bald.

Completely bald men like http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl= ... n%26sa%3DN CNN's William Schnieider in no way have nearly enough hair to transplant. Just think of what he'd look like if he did. Of course effiminate minds on dutasteride may not be able to contemplate such things as that, but you will be alive 30 years from now.............with the consequences on your depleted donor areas (especailly you "not me", I took a look at the back of your head in your pictures, dark pics, but I can tell youve taken a bunch of hair out from back there.....................and if you receed "up" from the bottom like so many men do in later years..............that will become even more obvious.


Only way for transplantation to be viable for men who start to bald young (under 30) in my opinion is for science to be able to make "more hair" in the form of cloning. Or perhaps to be able to culture body hair to behave like head hair (I dont think this will ever happen). Gho and DHI's claims of being able to cut papillas in parts and generate 2-hairs from one aside, we are waiting on genetic agonists and gene cures apart fromt that. All transplants do are to rob Peter (who will be losing on his own later) to pay Paul (who is losing now). 40,000 hairs cant adequately cover a head that used to have 110,000.

 

[not me!]

Yeah, I made the right choice to ignore this guy who can't back up any of his claims after I've countered all of his assertions and instead resorts to pigeonholing other posters due to thier posting habits.

Bravo. :roll:

 

[michael barry]

Youve countered nothing. Youve proven nothing. Anyone reading the posts can see that.




40,000 hairs do not equal 100,000 hairs. Thats the beginning and end of any discussion on transplants. Baldness is progressive http://archives.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITIC ... neider.jpg That pic says it better than a thousand words. One cant spread a piss-ant amount of hair all over their heads. Lots of transplans will eventually miniaturize, even if its 30 years down the line for some men. But the industry has paid hacks, to get online and make thousands of posts with phony "happy stories" to keep the lie alive. Wig salesmen will tell you (like they did William Lenihan) when he did an expose' on the transplant industry, that they LOVE the surgical side of the hair business. HairClub's best clients are there because they HAVE to be. Covering up old transplants, when they are out of hair to move. They are stuck. Most would give anything just to be able to shave their heads, but cant.

 

[michael barry]

http://www.hairsite4.com/dc/dcboard.php ... &mode=full for laughs......

 

[Aplunk1]

For argument's sake, you're quite the idiot, Michael.

Yeah, go ahead, say something about ME.

 

[michael barry]

http://www.hairsite4.com/dc/dcboard.php ... &mode=full


Look at the pic again boys..........................


You know many years ago someone who saw deeply into life said "someone may not be able to answer your arguments, but at least they can call you names".


That pic pretty much says it all doesnt it?