itching, flakes, and some apples

[HARM1]

Hi there. People suffering from male pattern baldness often complain about itching and dandruff. I've come to hear from people that they can " feel" DHT eating the fallicles. That was the tingelling sensation. Then other people, that have come to understand that the emune system playes a role in male pattern baldness said that the tingelling, itching and flaking was the emune system attackin the hair. DOCJ himsels, a med student said he gets this feeling right before he looses hair. And so the notion that the itching and flaking was us actually "feeling" our body attacking the haircame about. This is a scerry notion, that we feel our body killing our own hair, altough im not sure it's true, and I have to chalange it:
I thinkthe two conditions are related, but not the same. when I first hered docj suggesting to use apple cider vineager to help the itching , i was confuesd: How could vinegar help me stop the feelings ( itching tingeling) caused by my body eating my hair, and would the cider stopping the sensations mean it also stops the killing of falliclles?

So I did some reading, and found another condition- Seborrheic Dermatitis which is a stonger case of seborea( YEAH- SEBUM- DHT). IN Seborrheic Dermatitis there is alot of sebum in which fat eating microrganisims prosper. now when this happens, changing of scalp skin cells happen in a very rapid pace causing dandruff, and an itching feeling is felt, so is tingelling. I did not find why this happens, and have even read that the reason is unknown. What i think is that: the FAT eating microorganisims bring about an emune response- the itching is the emune system attacking the bugs( not our hair) and skin renewal (flaking) is also a way the body fights trespassers( skin falls out and so do the bugs).

Now docj said that the apple cider vinegar is anti- inflamtory, which i'm not sure what he ment by that, but i guess it reduces the body's emune response, thus cutting down the itch and tingel. I don't think this is true, i read and found that the apple cider is an anti bacterial and fat dissolving. So what the cider does is it kills the fat eating baciria and cuts down on their foods, thus ridding the scalp of unwanted guests, and so stoping the emune response againt them- no more itching no more " tingelling" and no more dandruff. So what happend here, did we stop the body from attacking our fallicles?NO! if the body does attack the fallicles, I don't think that wer'e feelling it. What I belive is that we have 2 differenet conditons - One saborea and the other MBP. both linked in some way to DHT.
I would really like to hear what you have to say, since all of this is pure speculation on my part. If I am correct we should not ever consider the tingelling sensation as the hair being eatten by our body, We should put is aside from MBP, since helping saborea won't help male pattern baldness.
Also if this is true, and taking into account NIZORAL'S weak anti andorgenenic power, I don't see how nizoral is really that important in fighting mbp. What it really does is fight the bacteria that causes the itching, flaking and tingelling. and SO I do not think it should have a place in hair loss's "big 3" tretments, since it does not treat it.

i'd love to hear what yo have to say, and am sorry for spelling and grammar errors- i'm am not an american, nore am I an native english speaker.

 

[docj077]

If people are going to put words into my mouth, I'm not going to post here anymore.

Apple Cidar Vinegar helped me with the tingling sensation I get in my scalp. If others want to try it, that's there choice. It helps me cope with that feeling and I DO NOT have seborrheic dermatitis. Also, just because it helps me with that feeling that doesn't mean that it stops my hair from falling out.

Again, it's not even a recommendation by me. It's only something that I use from time to time.

 

[porajj]

If permanent hairloss was a bacteria-based issue then the problem would of been solved (or at least partially solved) a long time ago. The "tingling" could really be anything. Not a lot of people including myself have experienced this either. It could just be psychosomatic also. Who knows.

A bacteria being the cause of an immuno response seems kind of odd. Why is it that this bacteria only attacks the scalpes of certain people? What about the genetic factor being a crucial role in predicting male pattern baldness?

 

[HARM1]

If people are going to put words into my mouth, I'm not going to post here anymore.

Apple Cidar Vinegar helped me with the tingling sensation I get in my scalp. If others want to try it, that's there choice. It helps me cope with that feeling and I DO NOT have seborrheic dermatitis. Also, just because it helps me with that feeling that doesn't mean that it stops my hair from falling out.

Again, it's not even a recommendation by me. It's only something that I use from time to time.

I think you are missing my point, friend. What im saying, is that tingelling feeling, and itching are not part of male pattern baldness, and the tingelling is not us " feeling" the body attack our hair. I think that the tingeling is caused due to our body fighting off sebum eating bacteria. For support I gave the fact that vinedar is anti bactirial and sebum disolving, and when people apply it the tingeling and itching is gone--> nothing to do with MBP.PLZ read my post again, and when you see your name, just change it with" some people say". maybe this way you can reply to my ideas and questions.