Is shoulder press good?

[CCS]

Do we need to do shoulder press if we do lateral raises and bench press?

Does lifting our elbows above 90 degrees cause damage to any tendons? I know shoulder press lifts the whole joint, not just the upper arm.

 

[Maxpwr]

I would say yes... Shoulder press is a compound exercise that is good for building your shoulders. Lateral raises are an isolation exercise that I use for extra fatigue before or after my sets of shoulder presses or upright rows. You won't build a great deal of mass onto your shoulders with just lateral raises... With raises you cannot go too heavy or you will lose form and possibly hurt yourself trying. For shoulder presses and upright rows, as long as you use correct form, you can pack on the weights on heavy days...

Bench press should be considered as a chest movement. Even incline presses shouldn't be used as a specific shoulder movement, but more to blast the upper part of your pectorals. I believe in separating the muscle groups and setting aside specific exercises for each... that's just my opinion though.

Does lifting our elbows above 90 degrees cause damage to any tendons? I know shoulder press lifts the whole joint, not just the upper arm.

If you're talking about shoulder presses I go all the way to the top with dumbbells, but with the barbell I don't go as high or I start arching my lower back and losing form.

 

[mulder]

I say use dumbells for the SP motion. Lateral raises, flies, incline, shrugs should be good enough.

 

[Harie]

Military press, rear delt flyes & side laterals should be included in any training program.

Since bench hits your front delts so much, front delt raises aren't needed.

 

[CCS]

military press is where your forearms point straight up. So wouldn't that work the front deltoids?
I think if you forearms point down (elbows out) you work your rear deltoids. forearms forwards (elbows back) you work your mid deltoids. Forearms up (elbows down) you work your front deltoids. So if a guy does lateral raises, and goes over their head, and rotates their palms together like jumping jack, then he just worked mid deltoids and then his front deltoids. But if he keeps his palms down as he goes over his head, he could damage some stuff in his shoulder area. Correct me if I'm wrong on this.

I work my front by tucking my elbows during dumbbell flyes. Then my back deltoids during revers butter flies, then my mid deltoids with lateral raises to just under 90 degrees.

 

[Harie]

military press is where your forearms point straight up. So wouldn't that work the front deltoids?
I think if you forearms point down (elbows out) you work your rear deltoids. forearms forwards (elbows back) you work your mid deltoids. Forearms up (elbows down) you work your front deltoids. So if a guy does lateral raises, and goes over their head, and rotates their palms together like jumping jack, then he just worked mid deltoids and then his front deltoids. But if he keeps his palms down as he goes over his head, he could damage some stuff in his shoulder area. Correct me if I'm wrong on this.

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[CCS]

Maintain fixed elbow position (10° to 30° angle) throughout exercise. Dumbbells are raised by shoulder abduction, not external rotation. As the elbows drops lower than the wrists, the front deltoids become the primary mover instead of the lateral deltoids.

I was right. I bet the military press does the front ones too. I'll check. I think it is redundant to bench press.

 

[hair today gone tomorrow]

i agree with what harie said...you need some type of over head pressing...be it military press, push bress, or dumbbell shoulder presses plus side lateral and bent over lateral raises.

upright rows are bad for your RC unless you do them right and only go to nipple level...but there are better excercises for targeting your side delts and traps.

 

[powersam]

such as?

 

[CCS]

Well, I kind of don't believe the shoulder press advice. I can lift 15 pound dumbbells in each arm doing side delts. That is with arms extended, so of course with leverage at 2x, I could press twice the total weight: 60 pounds. I might be able to do more than that, but my point is: intensity is not how much poundage you lift; it is how much tension is in each muscle group. So Pressing 60 pounds is no more intense than lateral raises of 15 pounds per arm. And military press works the front delts, which are worked during bench press. Yeah, I guess they get more range of motion in the military press though.

 

[hair today gone tomorrow]

such as?

side delts = lateral raises and shoulder pressing
traps = dead lifts (thickness) shruge and especially power shrugs for trap height.


like i said...upright rows are safe if you go to nipple level after that you are causing shoulder impingement. over time you will f*** up ur shoulders...i choose to stay away from them.