Interesting read

[silkeysmooth]

Hey guys, i know I didn't say much in the title, but this is a very interesting study I found about how DHT works, and about how insulin resistance can cause follicle miniaturization.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/quer ... t=Abstract

Please tell me what you think. Thanks.

 

[Guest]

so this read supports the claim that soda and high sugar substances can signifigantly speed up and make the balding process more severe? Sorry if that has nothing to do with it,but thats what i tok from it

 

[silkeysmooth]

Well, im not claiming to be an expert, but according to this article, having insulin resistance (which not everyone will develop) may have an impact on hair follicle miniaturization, but via a seperate mechanism than how DHT attacks the follicle.

Thats what I gathered from it, but I could be wrong.

 

[Cornholio]

"According to our hypothesis, the increase of dihydrotestosterone (DHT) production...." Paper from Finland.

They are proposing a hypothosis to explain hair loss but not providing scientific studies or evidence to back their theory up (at least not in this summary).

As male pattern baldness is believed to be less common in asia, yet seems to become more common as "modern lifestyles" are adopted (with increasing weight, less activity, increased carbohydrate intake), it would not suprise me at all if it is shown that the insulin resistant state has an effect on the progression of male pattern baldness in some people... Obviously this is not the only cause, but may tip the balance for predisposed people.

This paper proposes that, but does not prove it... Still, might be one more reason for me to set down the bowl of chips and get off the couch... Maybe tomorrow.

 

[silkeysmooth]

You're right, it's just a theory, but whether the argument that insulin resistance works the way they propose, or (more likely) it has a major impact on hormone regulation, it certainly influences hairloss in a profound way.

 

[Melbs]

A healthy diet surely cant hurt... so maybe we all should look at this in whatever regime we adopt. But on a similar level, there are still bald people that have very healthy diets and lifestyles... like some sports stars all around the world. So it may only take effect case to case.

 

[silkeysmooth]

Right, I don't mean to imply that an unhealthy diet is the sole cause of male pattern baldness, but if someone's hair is sensitive to androgens, then the fluctuation of hormones due to insulin resistance might just be enough to make that person lose more hair than they normally would.

 

[DammitLetMeIn]

interesting...

 

[docj077]

Do what you want. Even men with low levels of testosterone go bald, so decreasing your dietary problems isn't going to do much in the long run.

High testosterone levels, low SHBG, or high insulin levels may increase free testosterone, which will increase DHT. However, lowering testosterone, raising SHBG, and lowing insulin levels through diet will do nothing.

You just can't lower testosterone enough to reduce the concentration of DHT to what is needed to make a difference. The body will compensate and you will still have testosterone values that are within normal limits just like balding and non-balding men. Raising the level of SHBG will do the same thing. You'll bind more testosterone, but you'll also produce more testosterone to compensate.

This idea will not prevent baldness. It may slow it, but it will not reverse it and it will not prevent it from happening. Hormone levels in men are just too high for diet to change them. Only drugs that target 5AR, the androgen receptor, or the downstream mediators that are increased by androgen binding will prevent hair loss.

Everyone needs to think this through. It's good to have a healthy diet, but in this case it wont' matter.

 

[Jojje]

so this read supports the claim that soda and high sugar substances can signifigantly speed up and make the balding process more severe? Sorry if that has nothing to do with it,but thats what i tok from it

crap i just filled up on soda :shock:

 

[DammitLetMeIn]

Do what you want. Even men with low levels of testosterone go bald, so decreasing your dietary problems isn't going to do much in the long run. .

Merely, opinion which factors out a number of other imposing factors.

High testosterone levels, low SHBG, or high insulin levels may increase free testosterone, which will increase DHT. However, lowering testosterone, raising SHBG, and lowing insulin levels through diet will do nothing. .

Again, opinion. Japanese had high SHBG levels. Soy increases SHBG levels. Women have higher SHBG levels.work it out.

How do you know anyways? Surely, a SHBG level on the higher end of normal will mean less impact of testosterone on tissues.

You just can't lower testosterone enough to reduce the concentration of DHT to what is needed to make a difference. The body will compensate and you will still have testosterone values that are within normal limits just like balding and non-balding men. Raising the level of SHBG will do the same thing. You'll bind more testosterone, but you'll also produce more testosterone to compensate..

Source for this claim?

This idea will not prevent baldness. It may slow it, but it will not reverse it and it will not prevent it from happening. Hormone levels in men are just too high for diet to change them..

I've already posted studies about the huge impact diet can have on hormone levels.

Only drugs that target 5AR, the androgen receptor, or the downstream mediators that are increased by androgen binding will prevent hair loss..

Thats what the drug companies would like everyone to believe. You know how much Finisteride is worth?

From what I'm aware there are also chemotherapy immuno-supressive drugs that grow hair.

Everyone needs to think this through. It's good to have a healthy diet, but in this case it wont' matter.

I disagree.