Info for Fighting Diabetes

CCS

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A woman I met on a personals site (hot: surprised she clicked yes to me. my blurry picture perhaps?) has diabetes. My Life Extension magazines have many articles on fighting it, so I emailed her a bunch of high lights from the articles. I figured some people here may have diabetes or know someone who does, so here is the info:

Summary of Some Study Results in irst Magazine (I have several to skim through):
1. Sleep quality and duration are significant predictors of blood sugar control in diabetic people.
2. People with pre-diabetes or diabetes are insensitive to insulin, and start producing a lot more as blood sugar levels rise, until the cells making the insulin burn out. Then they are dependent on the insulin. While some cells maintain normal internal glucose levels, others get a build up of glucose at a greater rate than they metabolise it, and it piles up and breaks down on its own, forming intermediates that set off chemical pathways that lots of damage to different parts of the body. Vitamin B1, which is Thiamine, helps regulate glucose metabolism, and can be deficient in alcoholics. It is water soluble. Google Benfotiamine. It is a fat soluble version of B1 which is more absorbable into cells and supposed to protect them from many of glucose intermediate's damaging affects. It upregulates the production of enzymes that break down the glucose intermediates to a non-toxic form. Many studies in this article detailing how it protects different parts of the body. It is cheap. http://www.easycart.net/cgi-bin/BeyondA ... search.cgi

3. Here is cinnamin extract:
http://www.easycart.net/cgi-bin/BeyondA ... search.cgi

4. Some oxidative stress can result from glucose spikes. Look into some of the cheaper anti-oxidants on that site. You can get 50g of green tea extract for $9.
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I'm going to make a myspace group out of this.

Article #2
1. People with diabetes are very likely to get alzheimers.
2. Diabetes is completely preventable and reverseable.
3. Type I: can't produce enough insulin. Type 2: insulin insensitivity leads to too much production, followed by not enough when the pancrease stops working. Most common type. Not all of the 50,000,000 americans with insulin resistance have type 2 diabetes.
4. "Advanced glycation end products" (google it. most doctors don't know about them) can damage every part of your body, and they accumulate. Oxidative stress helps cause the formationof these. Alzheimers has the same chemicals. These chemicals cause the same alzheimer plaques and tangles, and peole with more of these chemicals do significantly worse on cognitive tests.
5. 200-1000 mcg per day of chromium improves blood sugar metabolism in many ways.
6. Exercise improves blood sugar and insulin levels.
7. Avoid greatly reduce saturated fat intake, eat more mono-unsaturated and omega-3's, fiber, fruits, and vegetables.
8. Curcumin, a extract of tumeric powder, has numberous good effects on blood sugar metabolism. I don't want to re-type the whole article, but curcumin does a lot. Just get a variety of these anti-oxidants. Don't load up on just one.
9. Carnosine protects against AGE's too, and does other stuff.
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If you get migraines, you can cure yourself of them by balancing your hormones with the right amount of DHEA, and some other stuff.
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this magazine has an ad for criogenic storage for people until new technology comes out. http://www.alcor.org. Not for you. Just thought it was interesting they had the ad in here.
 

bubka

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does she have type 2 and obese? stop eating sugar then

didn't you knock people who use the internet and personals for dating once?

newsflash CCS, drinking green tea is not going to do jack for diabetes

anyways, im sure all your information that you tell her will be really impressive, just like it is here :roll:

dating guide body type translation:

What the ad says: Translation

Thin: Could be anything from sickly anorexic to average.

Athletic : Could mean the girl is a female bodybuilder, or it
could mean she used a Stairmaster for all of ten minutes last month. Who knows.

Average : A few extra pounds

A few extra pounds : At least fifty extra pounds

Large : Too big to fit in a Honda Civic. Only date if you own a full-sized car.

Rubenesque : Imagine a chick in a Peter Paul Rubens painting, and then imagine what she’d look like if she gained at least fifty pounds.
 

CCS

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She has a lot of pictures, including halloween ones she put up at haloween.

She is type 1. She responded to the emails, saying she already knows about the cinnamon and chromium and that she is on a lot of other stuff too. She said nothing I stated was useful, and that she has had diabetes for 15 and so can deal with it another 60.
 

joseph49853

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This is a great thread. Preventing diabetes (heart disease and osteoporosis) are some of the most important reasons to use supplementation daily... especially since so many people are increasingly at risk for all three.

I can confirm that regular household cinnamon, just 1/4 a tsp daily, works wonders on both blood sugar and cholesterol. At such a small dosage, I probably wouldn't worry about toxicity of the oil soluble components... but there's always water soluble cinnamon extract Cinnulin PF.

Also, both curcumin and a tiny amount of Bioperine work equally as well. (Bioperine taken with supplementation can increase the absorption of many vital nutrients, vitamins, and minerals.) My mom has been on this combination for over six months, and lab tests have been extremely positive. I won't allow her anywhere Lipitor-induced rhabdomyolysis or memory loss, and have been successfully improving her lipid profiles using simple: niacin, phytosterols/stanols, cinnamon, and curcumin. And simply incorporating more low-GI foods into your diet can make some super positive changes as well.

BTW, CCS, check out this link for someone who has successfully reduced insulin dependency using supplements.

http://www.healthboards.com/boards/show ... p?t=436998
 

Far Too Young

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Thanks CCS. I've heard much of this - the cinnamon was new to me. My father is a type I diagnosed at fifteen after experiencing systemic shock from a nasty tangle with a circular saw. My cousin was just diagnosed at 21. Therefore I know that I'm at a farily high risk. Some of that's pretty interesting. I think type II is far more preventable than I, but it's certainly worth a few supplements. Thanks.
 

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http://www.diabetes.niddk.nih.gov/dm/pu ... /index.htm

The
pancrease has two types of islet cells in clusters around. One type
ups blood glucose, and the other type make insulin. Type 1 diabetes is
caused by an auto-immune attack that destroys the islet cells that
make insulin. (rhumatoid arthritis, hair loss, and lupus are also
auto-immune). Scientists can tranplant enough of the insulin making
islet cells from 2 dead bodies for one type-1 diabetic to make enough
insulin. But immuno-suppressants are needed to protect them, and cause
many side effects. There are not enough donor bodies for every type 1
diabetic. Scientists are trying to find a way to do this without
immuno suppresants, and are trying to turn some of your body cells
into islet cells in the lab, so they will have your DNA. They plan to
have a procedure ready in 3 years, though it did not specify which
type.

I just hope the immune system does not attack them again since it
attacked its own DNA the first time.
 

WorldofWarcraft

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collegechemistrystudent said:
A woman I met on a personals site (hot: surprised she clicked yes to me. my blurry picture perhaps?) has diabetes. My Life Extension magazines have many articles on fighting it, so I emailed her a bunch of high lights from the articles. I figured some people here may have diabetes or know someone who does, so here is the info:

Summary of Some Study Results in irst Magazine (I have several to skim through):
1. Sleep quality and duration are significant predictors of blood sugar control in diabetic people.
2. People with pre-diabetes or diabetes are insensitive to insulin, and start producing a lot more as blood sugar levels rise, until the cells making the insulin burn out. Then they are dependent on the insulin. While some cells maintain normal internal glucose levels, others get a build up of glucose at a greater rate than they metabolise it, and it piles up and breaks down on its own, forming intermediates that set off chemical pathways that lots of damage to different parts of the body. Vitamin B1, which is Thiamine, helps regulate glucose metabolism, and can be deficient in alcoholics. It is water soluble. Google Benfotiamine. It is a fat soluble version of B1 which is more absorbable into cells and supposed to protect them from many of glucose intermediate's damaging affects. It upregulates the production of enzymes that break down the glucose intermediates to a non-toxic form. Many studies in this article detailing how it protects different parts of the body. It is cheap. http://www.easycart.net/cgi-bin/BeyondA ... search.cgi

3. Here is cinnamin extract:
http://www.easycart.net/cgi-bin/BeyondA ... search.cgi

4. Some oxidative stress can result from glucose spikes. Look into some of the cheaper anti-oxidants on that site. You can get 50g of green tea extract for $9.
--------------------
I'm going to make a myspace group out of this.

Article #2
1. People with diabetes are very likely to get alzheimers.
2. Diabetes is completely preventable and reverseable.
3. Type I: can't produce enough insulin. Type 2: insulin insensitivity leads to too much production, followed by not enough when the pancrease stops working. Most common type. Not all of the 50,000,000 americans with insulin resistance have type 2 diabetes.
4. "Advanced glycation end products" (google it. most doctors don't know about them) can damage every part of your body, and they accumulate. Oxidative stress helps cause the formationof these. Alzheimers has the same chemicals. These chemicals cause the same alzheimer plaques and tangles, and peole with more of these chemicals do significantly worse on cognitive tests.
5. 200-1000 mcg per day of chromium improves blood sugar metabolism in many ways.
6. Exercise improves blood sugar and insulin levels.
7. Avoid greatly reduce saturated fat intake, eat more mono-unsaturated and omega-3's, fiber, fruits, and vegetables.
8. Curcumin, a extract of tumeric powder, has numberous good effects on blood sugar metabolism. I don't want to re-type the whole article, but curcumin does a lot. Just get a variety of these anti-oxidants. Don't load up on just one.
9. Carnosine protects against AGE's too, and does other stuff.
-------------------------
If you get migraines, you can cure yourself of them by balancing your hormones with the right amount of DHEA, and some other stuff.
-------------------------
this magazine has an ad for criogenic storage for people until new technology comes out. http://www.alcor.org. Not for you. Just thought it was interesting they had the ad in here.

I have diabetes and I don't understand all that mumbo jumbo man.

Write a poem about how beautiful she is and stop this research crap. Tell her you find her pictures beautiful and you would like to date.
 

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bubka said:
Large : Too big to fit in a Honda Civic. Only date if you own a full-sized car.

Rubenesque : Imagine a chick in a Peter Paul Rubens painting, and then imagine what she’d look like if she gained at least fifty pounds.

We are genetic defects, aka, baldies. This genetic defect makes us look hideous. How can we judge others for being fat?
 

CCS

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she looked way too good. I dont' think I stand a chance. I met her on hotornot.com, where people have to both say yes to the other person's picture before you can talk. I don't know why she said yes to mine. Hairwegoagain said I'm a normal looking guy. She was about a 9.
 

s.a.f

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WorldofWarcraft said:
Write a poem about how beautiful she is and stop this research crap. Tell her you find her pictures beautiful and you would like to date.

Yeah just dont tell her that she wont live long but at least she can date who she wants, whilst you're healthy but still a virgin.

(oops too late) :D :oops:
 

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s.a.f said:
WorldofWarcraft said:
Write a poem about how beautiful she is and stop this research crap. Tell her you find her pictures beautiful and you would like to date.

Yeah just dont tell her that she wont live long but at least she can date who she wants, whilst you're healthy but still a virgin.

(oops too late) :D :oops:

And CCS wonders why he is still a virgin. Sometimes I wonder if this guy is pulling our legs. I mean, can he be serious?
 

bubka

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WorldofWarcraft said:
bubka said:
Large : Too big to fit in a Honda Civic. Only date if you own a full-sized car.

Rubenesque : Imagine a chick in a Peter Paul Rubens painting, and then imagine what she’d look like if she gained at least fifty pounds.

We are genetic defects, aka, baldies. This genetic defect makes us look hideous. How can we judge others for being fat?
sorry, but being obese is because you eat to much, genetics or not are irrelevant there
 
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s.a.f said:
WorldofWarcraft said:
Write a poem about how beautiful she is and stop this research crap. Tell her you find her pictures beautiful and you would like to date.

Yeah just dont tell her that she wont live long but at least she can date who she wants, whilst you're healthy but still a virgin.

(oops too late) :D :oops:

And CCS wonders why he is still a virgin. Sometimes I wonder if this guy is pulling our legs. I mean, can he be serious?

Yeah you know you're in dire straits when the World of Warcraft guy is picking on you!

Just kidding bud :lol:
 

s.a.f

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bubka said:
sorry, but being obese is because you eat to much, genetics or not are irrelevant there

Not completly true genetics do play a part in how 'big' you will become. For some people its very easy to gain size and weight. Just as some people can eat alot and not put on weight. Most fatties do eat too much and thats the overiding problem but not all could have a slim build even on a normal calorie intake.
 

CCS

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Once someone is fat, they can't lose weight just by eating normal. They have to reduce their calorie intake, or exercise more than normal. It is alike a goof off student complaning halfway through the semester that he is now putting in just as many hours of homework as the A student is, but still has a C in the class. Catch up means working harder than normal.
 

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s.a.f said:
bubka said:
sorry, but being obese is because you eat to much, genetics or not are irrelevant there

Not completly true genetics do play a part in how 'big' you will become. For some people its very easy to gain size and weight. Just as some people can eat alot and not put on weight. Most fatties do eat too much and thats the overiding problem but not all could have a slim build even on a normal calorie intake.
that is not true, you find somebody who is clinically obese, i guarantee that are eating over 3,500 calories a day, you have to continue to eat that many calories to sustain a high weight, this bs about no eating a lot and being fat is a myth
 

s.a.f

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So people dont have different rates of metabolism, and everyone has the exact same amount of fat cells in their bodies?
 

bubka

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s.a.f said:
So people dont have different rates of metabolism, and everyone has the exact same amount of fat cells in their bodies?
no, and i did not say that, sure there is some variations, but obese people eat way over 2,000 calories a day, they MUST, otherwise, they would not be fat
 

s.a.f

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Ok I dont want to disagree when we both have valid points, I'm sure nearly everyone eats much more than 2000 calories a day the average person probably eats 3000+, and you can bet that at least 90% of fat people are to blame for their condition because they simply eat too much.
But there are some people who will never have a slim figure because of their genetics and even on a calorie controlled diet they will struggle to be normal size. Do you imagine that Dawn French could ever be size 8 even if she went on a strict diet. Do you know the actor Richard Griffiths? His size is due to a thyroid condition and this makes him large despite following a diet set by his Dr. These people are in a similar situation to us because they probably wish they could be thin but their genetics are working against them.
 

CCS

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I've been wondering about thyroid conditions. Don't they just lower metabolism? So shouldn't people with hypothyroids just eat less, and take a good mult-vitamin? They could afford a good one with all the money they'd save on food.
 
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