Indian Sourced Stuff

[joeylloyd]

I have long warned against taking the cheap option and buying anything other than FDA approved meds. The fact is that even if the generics are legit they are not formulated the same way and who knows how this can affect absoprtion rates etc. Then I saw a link for more great examples of Indian produced items:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/5239758.stm

Now if HUGE global companies like Pepsi and Coca Cola can't get their Indian operations to produce a simple product like cola safely why the hell would anyone expect an Indian drug company to be reliable over the long haul. Along with other stuff I've read about Indian practices I think it again makes me doubt that country's ability to provide even basic foodstuffs safely (even when backed by US corporates) let alone drugs.

 

[hairwegoagain]

100% agree.

In addition, it's still common in countries such as India to use the bare left hand to wipe off the poo. That alone is enough reason for me to pass on the Cipla.

Regards,

Hairwegoagain

 

[Guest]

this is just one of the many reasons that i buy authentic merck finasteride OR authentic generic finasteride. Only stuff made in the US and guaranteed to be real for me.

 

[kalbo]

C'mon man, American companies are known for putting chemicals and other crap into their food too.... So bringing up that pepsi/coke link doesn't make much of a difference.

If you want to be sure you're getting the best quality drugs and don't mind the high cost, then by all means by the american brands. But you shouldn't discredit overseas companies such as Cipla merely on the basis of being non-American. Cipla is still a well respected company that's recognized by the WHO.

The only concern I have from buying overseas is whether or not I'm actually getting authentic Cipla brand products. So it's more of a question of whether or not the distributors and sellers can be trusted as opposed to the actual drug company.

 

[techprof]

i second you kalbo.

Regarding the use of left hands, it is still true in many places in India. However, keep in mind that everyone washes their hands with an antibacterial soap afterwards. I do agree that common toilet facilities are bad in India (unlike restareas in highways in the US).

While in the US I find most of them hygienic, but some bastards won't flush. Some of them won't flush, won't use a tissue, just piss or poop and leave the restrooms. Annoying.

 

[Guest]

The only concern I have from buying overseas is whether or not I'm actually getting authentic Cipla brand products. So it's more of a question of whether or not the distributors and sellers can be trusted as opposed to the actual drug company.

that is my major concern as well, and why i stopped buying online. i just couldn't be sure that products were authentic.

 

[CCS]

I read the article. I just shows companies will take short cuts on whatever they are not required to do well with. in this case, it is cheaper to use tap water, which is poluted, than to distill the water. india does have standards for other stuff, but i'm not sure which. just these two soda manufacturers tried to save a buck. my question is whether cipla or dr reddies follows better standards.

tech proffessor. is the left hand wipe only in the country or also in the cities?

 

[joeylloyd]

Indians (I have been there) also tend to eat with their hands and you will struggle to find toilet paper out there, unless requested.

Also if Pepsi and Coca-Cola (two companies an order of magnitude richer and more credible than Cipla/Dr Reddys) can't keep their subsidiaries in line why would anyone ever trust an Indian company. f***, it isn't just a case of trust either. Look at how cheap and crap stuff from poor countries tends to be, e.g. compare a Lada with a BMW, or to use a more relevant example compare an Indian version of sustanon with a European one (the Indian similar to Egyptian and Pakistani Sustanon feels underdosed but even worse causes definite site irritability).

So what you have here is a country with poor hygeine, where American firms like Organon (manufacturers of Sustanon), Pepsi, and Coca Cola can't even get their Indian partners in line.

Why would you trust Cipla or other Indian companies who have a history of doing everything possible to cut corners to make stuff as cheaply as possible, break patent laws which hurt American companies, and in turn will lead to these companies investing less in R&D?

 

[chino20]

I don't think there is much to worry about with Cipla's finpecia/fincar. When it comes down to it, if you can afford the asking price of a prescription for propecia, then go for it. Otherwise, finpecia or other generics are your best option. Cipla IS a respected company, you're not gonna get *** in your tablets as i'm sure these tablets aren't handmade, and there is little doubt that there is finasteride in these tablets, as people have had success with them (Hawaii male to name one). I'm using finpecia, since febuary (but started at 0.25mg then moved up) and while it's too early to say if it is helping, I'm pretty convinced that they are legit!

 

[techprof]

college, in most cities you will have two kinds of toilets (the paper option will be available upon request).

coming back to pepsi/coke. Water (esp. pure water) is a problem in India. Distilled water costs more than pepsi or coke. In this situation how can you expect coke or pepsi manufacturers to manufacture pepsi or coke from distilled water and sell it cheaper than distilled water ?

Next, it is sad but true that coke and pepsi manufacturers don't maintain the standards on impurities in third world countries as they do in the US. This is because they want to make profits without ethics. IMO, they may not be able to sell coke or pepsi at the US standards in India. I would prefer this situation wherein people can't get this polluted soft drinks.
Rich people can still import and drink them.

Cipla and Dr. Reddy's are very genuine. They provide cheap drugs for AIDS in Africa. I expect the drugs to be good. In fact Dr. Reddy's proscar is approved in the US as a generic.

 

[CCS]

of course if they want to save more people in africa, they could cut costs by using cheaper stuff, and see it as perfectly ethical.

however, if a tiny tablet has the same concentration of pesticide as a big bottle of coke, there there is not much in the tiny tablet.

is the doctor reddies drug sold here any different from the one sold over there? i'll find out soon. If my mail box does not have another sample in it by the end of today, I'll just test the dutas and fincar i have.

 

[hairwegoagain]

Fresh finasteride***teride for all !!!

 

[bubka]

unless it's FDA approved (that includes off labeling FDA approved drugs) you have to be freaking nuts to use that stuff... i mean, they could have anything in them, and if it's crap, what are you going to do? what is the gov going to do? freaking nothing

 

[jakeb]

There is a huge difference between an independent Pepsi or Coke bottler and a pharmaceutical company that is trying to become a multinational player in the industry. A batch of sub-par drugs would be disasterous for their future. Pepsi and Coke can write this off (in the rest of the world at least) as independant licensees that didn't follow the rules.

Also, we're finding out about the soda problems. If they're so terrible, why have we not heard of problems with the drugs?

 

[hairwegoagain]

Also, we're finding out about the soda problems. If they're so terrible, why have we not heard of problems with the drugs?

Most of these Indian drugs are illegal to import into the United States. That's why you don't see official advisements...because you're not supposed to be procuring them in the first place. There are FDA-approved exceptions, of course...most of those are few and far between.

There's substantial press about the Indian knock-off pharmaceutical industry. No shortage of info there. Go to town.

 

[powersam]

only kind of generics i would buy would be merck generics made in brasil. still made by merck, but generic because of brasils patent laws ( or lack thereof)

 

[joeylloyd]

I agree.

What people who applaud generics fail to see is that they are not getting the same product because the original manufacturing of the drug is patented. It is a bit like comparing Formula 1 grade fuel to regular gasoline. The way the two products are arrived at is different despite using the same basic ingredient.

 

[Guest]

I buy the generic finasteride which is made by Cipla and distributed to me through TEVA pharmaceuticals, a huge company. It is 100% guaranteed to be real because I buy it through a United States pharmacy. No one is doubting the authenticity of Cipla's products, for example, it's just that there's no guarantee that products online are authentic Cipla.

Mine is guaranteed to be real as I said it becuase TEVA has the base in Cipla so it's different from online pharmacies like United or InHouse.

 

[CCS]

I agree. and so does my rich, PhD indian roommate. Doubting Cipla and Dr Reddy's is rediculous. People should only doubt these websites. I'll settle that very soon. I wish more people had given me more samples from different web sites, but what I have is a decent sample range.

 

[Guest]

I agree. and so does my rich, PhD indian roommate. Doubting Cipla and Dr Reddy's is rediculous. People should only doubt these websites. I'll settle that very soon. I wish more people had given me more samples from different web sites, but what I have is a decent sample range.

ill be interested to hear your results, college, but as i've said before, just because one batch that you test from these sites is real doesn't mean that all the batches from those sites in the future will be real. the only 100% surefire way to get genuine finasteride and dutasteride every time is to buy from a US pharmacy or a company that has a direct link.