How long does it take for shampoos to start showing results?

[BigBrother69]

Hey all! I guess this is a question in two parts. My brother and I have been trying a few of the most highly rated hair loss shampoos on Amazon, specifically in this order:

Phytoworx

Nexxus Vitatress (along with their scalp creme, which I love)

and Pura d'Or

We have minor MBP/the onset of it, and thought we'd give these a try. So:

Question #1: At first, we saw lots of baby hairs spring up - small, light, and fine. We thought, great, these should grow into more mature hairs, or at least indicate the start of it, and were encouraged. But after months of use with several different ones, that initial growth is all that seems to exist. Is it in fact an indication of things to come? Is it possible these products just give you a little baby boost and then stop dead cold?

Question #2: For those who have gotten good gains off of these (or similar products), how long should we give each one to test? We're currently doing 3 months each, but I don't know if it's sufficient.

Thanks all!

Oh, and as far as "you should use these products instead", I'm open to suggestions but would really prefer answers to the above. We have our reasons for not jumping into other things quite yet.

Thanks again!

 

[Quantum Cat]

How long have you got?

 

[massa]

How long have you got?

LOOOOOOL

 

[zzzzz]

instantly or never

No shampoo will be anywhere remotely effective enough to even come close to stopping hair loss, let alone reverse it.

I say instantly because many hair loss shampoos puff up the hair and make it look fuller. This is just a cosmetic effect/illusion it does nothing to slow/stop hairloss. Those little hairs aren't regrowth from the shampoo they are just miniaturized hairs

If you want to stop your hairloss you should start finasteride

 

[hellouser]

Never.

Shampoos don't work. The only one that does, and even if it does it gives marginal at best results, is Nizoral. Even if you were to get gains from it you'd need to wait months anyway as you need to take into account the hair growth cycle (anagen, telogen and catagent) lasting 4+ months. so you won't see anything until then ANYWAY. And then on top of that you need to take into account that hair grows at 1cm/per month (approx), so add another few weeks before changes are noticeable anyway... so, youre looking at 6 months plus. Bottom line? Nizoral won't do much, if anything at all, anyway. So forget about shampoos.

If you want to solve hair loss/male pattern baldness/androgenetic alopecia/whatever you wanna call it, you need to address the following problems that occur with hair loss:

Upregulation of the following:
Dihydrotestosterone
DKK1
Arachidonic Acid
PGD2

Downregulation of the following:
PGE2
CD200 Progenitor Cells
CD34+ Progenitor Cells

So far, what we know that works/may work for these problems are the following solutions:

DHT - Finasteride (Propecia), RU58841, CB-03-01, Dutasteride (Avodart), Flutamide (do not use), Spironolactone (do not use), Saw Palmetto (very weak)
DKK1 - Likely Janus Kinase inhibitors or Arthritis drugs like Sulfasalazine
Arachidonic Acid - Nizoral
PGD2 - Likely OC459
PGE2 - Minoxidil (Rogaine), Latanoprost(Xalatan), Bimatoprost (Latisse)
CD200 - Likely Janus Kinase inhibitors like Tofacitinib (very expensive), Ruxolitinib (stupid expensive), Brevilin A, Baicalin
CD34 - Uknown Solution

There are a few other potential solutions to your regimen:
Chlorine Dioxide (results have been quite drastic with members at Hair Loss Help forums, is supposed to be like wounding)
Diane 35
Dermarolling (based on wounding theory, work one by Dr. Cotsarelis, read up on it)Now, since you need shampoo anyway, I'd recommend Nizoral (of course) and anything with Saw Palmetto and Litsea. You can find these on eBay. Don't expect results though.

There, thats all you've got to combat hair loss (for now). Nothing else works that we know of. There are of course other agents that may work, but have never really been tested much (doxycycline, diozaxide, etc.)

 

[danawhite1]

How come u don't use spironolactone

 

[BigBrother69]

So here's a question, honestly:

What do you attribute the massive number of positive reviews to if people don't have success with them? Before you jump to an answer:

1. Fake reviews? You can screen for those fairly easily on Amazon by ruling out products whose reviewers have only reviewed a handful of products, usually from the same mfr. In the case of the products above, there are hundreds or thousands of positive reviews with very little if any suspicious review activity.

2. Placebo effect? Why then would it hold for some products for so many people, while there are hundreds of hair loss products on there with no such positive feedback? Could it be that all 500-1,000 users are all on the same placebo kick, whereas all customers for less successful products don't suffer from it?

3. Misperception of results? Sort of the same answer as #2. If hundreds or thousands are all self-deluding into seeing results that aren't there, why doesn't it occur for the scores of products with bad reviews?

Not trying to pick fights here, just wondering how you can dismiss such a broad experience base on such a trusted marketplace. You want to tell me all those people are paid or placeboing or blind to their own results?

 

[Quantum Cat]

for the same reason you asked these questions in the first place: a widespread fundamental lack of understanding about what male pattern baldness/Androgenetic Alopecia is, and an unwillingness to accept the brutal truth -backed up by cold hard science - that male pattern baldness is a genetic condition, and no amount of shampoo can alter your genes.

in addition, no topical has ever been proven to supress DHT anywhere near enough to be effective to counter male pattern baldness. Even the evidence on ketoconazole is tenuous at best.

Amazon being a 'trusted marketplace' is irrelevant - for instance, Phil Collin's Greatest Hits collection has a staggering 362 5-star reviews! :crazy:

 

[BigBrother69]

for the same reason you asked these questions in the first place: a widespread fundamental lack of understanding about what male pattern baldness/Androgenetic Alopecia is, and an unwillingness to accept the brutal truth -backed up by cold hard science - that male pattern baldness is a genetic condition, and no amount of shampoo can alter your genes.

in addition, no topical has ever been proven to supress DHT anywhere near enough to be effective to counter male pattern baldness. Even the evidence on ketoconazole is tenuous at best.

Amazon being a 'trusted marketplace' is irrelevant - for instance, Phil Collin's Greatest Hits collection has a staggering 362 5-star reviews! :crazy:

Utterly missed the point. Nothing you wrote above addresses my question logically.

You answered why these things don't work and people's lack of understanding as the reason for positive reviews.

Re-read my post.

Thousands of consumers go onto a site to purchase a product to solve a problem. They have hundreds if not thousands of products to choose from. Many such products are rated poorly with explicit reason given that the problem was not solved by using them.

A select few are rated overwhelmingly positive, reason given: that they solved the problem.

This isn't a music album. There is no subjectivity or taste involved.

Your answer, if true, would simply lead to all such products receiving more or less equal reviews.

The logic doesn't really hold.

 

[zzzzz]

Utterly missed the point. Nothing you wrote above addresses my question logically.

You answered why these things don't work and people's lack of understanding as the reason for positive reviews.

Re-read my post.

Thousands of consumers go onto a site to purchase a product to solve a problem. They have hundreds if not thousands of products to choose from. Many such products are rated poorly with explicit reason given that the problem was not solved by using them.

A select few are rated overwhelmingly positive, reason given: that they solved the problem.

This isn't a music album. There is no subjectivity or taste involved.

Your answer, if true, would simply lead to all such products receiving more or less equal reviews.

The logic doesn't really hold.

people come on here claiming some BS treatment worked for them all the time after only a month or two. People like to see things that aren't there and live in denial. This stuff you are using doesn't work. Doesn't matter why they have certain reviews. Any experienced user here knows with 100% certainty that this stuff is no good. If you want things that work here is a list of every thing that works: minoxidil, finasteride, dutasteride, RU (maybe for this one).

theres another moderately long list of things that do something but are far too weak to do anything on there own. This list of things has stuff in it like nizoral, topical spironolactone, etc