higher finasteride dose?

[Master Chief]

If you higher the finasteride dose, would improve the effect of finasteride inhibition of DHT? like if I start on proscar, and split the pills into four pieces, there will theoretically be 1.25mg finasteride, would this amount do any change? And how comes finasteride works for some people and not for others, is it because the two types of a5r?

 

[odb]

No, no and....no

 

[Master Chief]

So, taking higher finasteride dose, will not improve the results? I mean, like 5% monix give better "regrowth" than the 2%.

 

[Guest]

So, taking higher finasteride dose, will not improve the results? I mean, like 5% monix give better "regrowth" than the 2%.

There is a study on this. Check out the research section on finasteride dosages.

 

[Guest]

[No, no and....no]

Old dirty bastard said it the best.

Studies have shown that even .2mg(I think, even could be .02) blocks almost as much DHT as 1mg, and 1mg block almost as much as 5mg. Declining returns. It's the metabolism of each indiviual body though, may also play a role, so realistically one should at least take .5mg. Just my opinion. Other have stronger conspiracy theories that Merk came up with 1mg, when .5, .3 .2 is just as effective.

Why does finasteride work on some and not others? Genes my friend. Sometimes 67% DHT inhibition is not enough, not to mention all the other "unknown" processes involved in hairloss that finasteride does not address.[/quote]

 

[Master Chief]

[No, no and....no]

Old dirty bastard said it the best.

Studies have shown that even .2mg(I think, even could be .02) blocks almost as much DHT as 1mg, and 1mg block almost as much as 5mg. Declining returns. It's the metabolism of each indiviual body though, may also play a role, so realistically one should at least take .5mg. Just my opinion. Other have stronger conspiracy theories that Merk came up with 1mg, when .5, .3 .2 is just as effective.

Why does finasteride work on some and not others? Genes my friend. Sometimes 67% DHT inhibition is not enough, not to mention all the other "unknown" processes involved in hairloss that finasteride does not address.

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But if there is other processes involved in hairloss, are these processes not related to genetics?

 

[Guest]

Kenneth,

Of course these other processes would be related genetics, however there are enviromental factors that can speed up/slow down loss. But again these factors would work through our genetic make-up.

If was as simple as DHT inhibition, then theoretically dutasteride(barring side-effects) should be the ultimate hairloss cure.

 

[Master Chief]

yes you're right, I'm have thoughts about starting with proscar, I can split each pill in four pieces, thus saving money, and it will last for 5 months before I need to buy it again , and it's cheaper than Propecia

 

[Guest]

Based on some studies, if your hairloss is not that severe, you could theorectiacally split Proscar in 8 peices and still get results. But, it would be a good Idea to stick with at least 1mg to begin with.

 

[Master Chief]

I'm just experiencing light to moderate thinning over the whole head, hairline is somewhat intact, has'nt changed since I was 15, now I'm 18, so I don't think my hairloss is that severe, I hope?

 

[Guest]

Jesus dude, you're only 18. Tough choices to make in giving you advice. I would hate to see you resort to propecia so early in your life, it's such a powerful drug. And you still have plenty of B*tches to screw in the coming years. So, you want your willy in tip top condition.

At the same time I feel for how helpless you feel, and propecia can bring decent peice of mind. Especially since it's one of, or probably the best treatments(subjective word here) out there. Remeber though it was discovered more or less from treating prostates through DHT inhibition. It was certainly not meant for treating hairloss in 18 year olds.

MY adivce. Make positive lifestyle changes(anything that can help your hairloss), stick with the rogaine and monitor you hair carefully. Then if all else fails, start on .5mg and see what happens. I don't know :?

 

[Master Chief]

I completely understand, but I don't want my hairloss to become worse before I start with finasteride, the sooner I begin the bigger the chances are that I will keep what I have (hopefully regrow some).....by the way, the hair on the sides and some part of the lower back is getting thinner/sparse too. Can i assume that it is a part of my male pattern baldness?

 

[Master Chief]

Lol, I'm not sexually active yet, I rather keep my hair and look good, than getting bald and look like a 50 years old at 20 and screwing around, I think that my dick can use som rest

 

[Guest]

GET ACTIVE IMMEDIATLEY Damn it, you don;t know what you're missing. :shock: If I was getting good steady poonanny, I wouldn't care waht the F*ck I looked like.

I agree with the attitude that sooner is better with finasteride, but at 18 you're still running some risks that you will regret, although not as much as not getting laid.

Unless you are destined for Alopecia Totalis(or whatever), I would assume that hair on sides and back have nothing to do with satndard male pattern baldness/

If I was you I would get a thyroid test done immediately, and get a MD to look at your hair.

Tough decisions

 

[Guest]

Btw, get some nizoral. ASAP Every little bit helps.

 

[Master Chief]

Okay, got it, thanks for your help, I' going to see a doctor, cause I'm worried about the sides and back as well, The hair is equaly thinning over the whole head, actually, the hair itself is'nt thin just gets more and more sparse.....well, I don't feel urged to go screw someone, I have other things to worry about, since I have extremly low selfesteem, I think that gettting girls is harder for me than completely regrow all lost hair in a day

 

[Bryan]

Remeber though it was discovered more or less from treating prostates through DHT inhibition.

WRONG. Absolutely DEAD WRONG!

Using finasteride to treat balding definitely was NOT any kind of accidental discovery. Merck was well aware of the potential for using 5a-reductase inhibitors for hairloss even before finasteride was synthesized in their laboratories for the very first time.

It was certainly not meant for treating hairloss in 18 year olds.

The earlier you start using finasteride, the better the chance that it will stop the balding process. However, I also have some general doubts that Kenneth is really suffering from true male pattern baldness. I think he should check with a Doctor before starting finasteride.

Bryan

 

[Stinger122]

Okay, got it, thanks for your help, I' going to see a doctor, cause I'm worried about the sides and back as well, The hair is equaly thinning over the whole head, actually, the hair itself is'nt thin just gets more and more sparse.....well, I don't feel urged to go screw someone, I have other things to worry about, since I have extremly low selfesteem, I think that gettting girls is harder for me than completely regrow all lost hair in a day

Im 18, started Proscar a month and a half ago.. I started losing my hair since I was 15, I would use stupid stuff like Saw Palmetto/Shen Min and I wasted A LOT OF time and money using all this stuff.. Now that im on Proscar, I dont really think about my hair loss much (I also use minoxidil on my vertex) My hair loss is not greatly noticeable but in very bright light it looks fucked up. (I posted pics on here, you can search for them)

Errr and about the dick issue, I noticed/Still notice a decrease in sex drive, but im not complaining really! This is beneficial in my case! Though I feel my old sex drive coming back.. gah!

 

[Guest]

Bryan

My Bad. It makes sense, because I would guess that the DHT and hairloss connection had already been made.

I understand and fully agree that the earlier you start the better. I just think at 18, it should not be neccessarily be the first treatment of choice. I'd hate to see this guy die a bald virgin. However, he's a big boy. And by the way you shot back Bryan I would assume that you feel it's perfectly safe for 18 years olds to begin finasteride. I am not saying it's not safe, I don't know enough about the drugs or seen any long term data.

 

[Bryan]

My Bad. It makes sense, because I would guess that the DHT and hairloss connection had already been made.

Yes. I have some studies from the early 1970's (long before finasteride ever existed) which measured the amount of DHT in balding and non-balding hair follicles. And the connection may very well have been known many years before that!

I understand and fully agree that the earlier you start the better. I just think at 18, it should not be neccessarily be the first treatment of choice. I'd hate to see this guy die a bald virgin. However, he's a big boy. And by the way you shot back Bryan I would assume that you feel it's perfectly safe for 18 years olds to begin finasteride. I am not saying it's not safe, I don't know enough about the drugs or seen any long term data.

Actually, I'm still quite undecided about what the earliest safe age to start using finasteride really is. I keep going back to the case of the pseudohermaphrodites (who are that way from birth to death), and they seem to be pretty healthy. I tend to think that Kenneth would be ok to start using it at the tender age of 18, even though most docs would probably be more conservative about it, and probably make him wait until he's 21 or so.

Bryan