Future Treatments And Eggheads (hair Lost By Extreme Miniaturization)

[hairblues]

It's that simple?

Theoretically it might but keep in mind if you are slick bald you may never have a full thick hair but you may at least be able to have decent hair...we just don't know yet for the next year..

October in the conference hopefully we will learn more...

I will say this.
You are 25 so your follicles are not dead yet...they most likely won't be dead for many many years...
If you are concerned you can request a biopsy to see if there is 'scarring'...scarring alopecia is where the follicle is destroyed...Advanced (many years) of andgrogenci alopecia can look in a biopsy like scarring because the folicle is destroyed...i forgot the technical name for it but its like atrophy. Like if someone is paralyzed the muscles can atrophy..this process with follicles takes many many years.

I am not trying to blow smoke up your *** because i don't think that is healthy either but trying to give you a perspective from biopsy/science stand point. Some of the others like swoop can probably speak about it with more knowledge then me.

 

[orkun]

what is APHK ?

 

[Willy31]

Theoretically it might but keep in mind if you are slick bald you may never have a full thick hair but you may at least be able to have decent hair...we just don't know yet for the next year..

October in the conference hopefully we will learn more...

I will say this.
You are 25 so your follicles are not dead yet...they most likely won't be dead for many many years...
If you are concerned you can request a biopsy to see if there is 'scarring'...scarring alopecia is where the follicle is destroyed...Advanced (many years) of andgrogenci alopecia can look in a biopsy like scarring because the folicle is destroyed...i forgot the technical name for it but its like atrophy. Like if someone is paralyzed the muscles can atrophy..this process with follicles takes many many years.

I am not trying to blow smoke up your *** because i don't think that is healthy either but trying to give you a perspective from biopsy/science stand point. Some of the others like swoop can probably speak about it with more knowledge then me.

...but my situation is very complex:

I believe I have a Chronic telogen effluvium that has turned into Androgenetic Alopecia (CTE + Androgenetic Alopecia).

I lost 99,99999999% of my hair because I took bad drugs during too long time at very high doses.
o Prozac 40mg between 15 years old and 22 years old (2006-2014)
o Risperidone 1,75mg between 8 years old and 22 years old (1999-2014)
o Concerta 90mg between 8 years old and 22 years old (1999-2014)

This three drugs can induce alopecia.

I ceased all drugs in march 2014, but side effects continued...

I lost my hair between approximately 2011-12-13 to today (it's difficult to see damage when TEC starts). All my scalp is affected: Hair loss diffuse, extreme miniaturization, dandruff, itching. I have just 0,000000001% of my hair but the hair loss continued, miniaturization also and iching/dandruff also.

Also, I have Vitiligo (and maybe psoriasis or others disease) especially on my p*nis. There is a possible correlation between Prozac and Vitiligo. On my scalp, I have 5 little white circles. More white than the rest of the scalp. Alopecia areta? Vitiligo? Scars? I don't know...

I really sure that it's not a Androgenetic alopecia. All the members of my familly dies at 75-80 years old with Norwood 0. But I'm very affraid by possibility CTE starts Androgenetic Alopecia... but not my temples or vertex is more affected. All my scalp is uniformly affected. CTE + extreme miniaturization = Androgenetic Alopecia?

-I used Nizoral 2% + Fina 5mg 1/4 of pill during 1 years 3/4 (2014-2016) = NO RESULTS.
-After, I stopped all treatment in summer 2016….. I was discouraged…
-Since 2 december 2016, I tried again a new treatment (minoxidil 5% foam + AGAIN nizoral 2%)… 14 may 2017 = NO RESULTS AGAIN…
-I tried others treatment between 2014-2016: (t-gel, ratio-amcinonide, ratio-topisone, pramox, etc.).. no results.

My blood test for DHT, Iron, Ferritin, Thyroid glands: All is OK!

My questions are:
o Do you think my baldness is irreversible?
o Is extreme miniaturization possible in Chronic telogen effluvium? CTE + extreme miniaturization = necessarily Androgenetic Alopecia?
o What futur treatment will be effective for me? Follica, Jak inhibitors, Histogen, other(s)? I have not healthy hair. My 0,000000001% of hair are all extremely miniaturized. So, I'm sure that Tsuji, Hair transplant, Replicel, Hairclone, etc. will be not effective for me.
o What the antidepressed and neuroleptics do? Permanent damage?
o Is a biopsy required?

It's a nighmare for me. I had the same hair as Robert Charlebois. Since 2-3 years, I'm a monster.

Thank you very much for all reply!
William

 

[orkun]

Biopsy from mushroom white . Internal organs liver microbial test. Try topical three percent caffeine minoxidil azelaic acid %10

 

[hairblues]

...but my situation is very complex:

I believe I have a Chronic telogen effluvium that has turned into Androgenetic Alopecia (CTE + Androgenetic Alopecia).

I lost 99,99999999% of my hair because I took bad drugs during too long time at very high doses.
o Prozac 40mg between 15 years old and 22 years old (2006-2014)
o Risperidone 1,75mg between 8 years old and 22 years old (1999-2014)
o Concerta 90mg between 8 years old and 22 years old (1999-2014)

This three drugs can induce alopecia.

I ceased all drugs in march 2014, but side effects continued...

I lost my hair between approximately 2011-12-13 to today (it's difficult to see damage when TEC starts). All my scalp is affected: Hair loss diffuse, extreme miniaturization, dandruff, itching. I have just 0,000000001% of my hair but the hair loss continued, miniaturization also and iching/dandruff also.

Also, I have Vitiligo (and maybe psoriasis or others disease) especially on my p*nis. There is a possible correlation between Prozac and Vitiligo. On my scalp, I have 5 little white circles. More white than the rest of the scalp. Alopecia areta? Vitiligo? Scars? I don't know...

I really sure that it's not a Androgenetic alopecia. All the members of my familly dies at 75-80 years old with Norwood 0. But I'm very affraid by possibility CTE starts Androgenetic Alopecia... but not my temples or vertex is more affected. All my scalp is uniformly affected. CTE + extreme miniaturization = Androgenetic Alopecia?

-I used Nizoral 2% + Fina 5mg 1/4 of pill during 1 years 3/4 (2014-2016) = NO RESULTS.
-After, I stopped all treatment in summer 2016….. I was discouraged…
-Since 2 december 2016, I tried again a new treatment (minoxidil 5% foam + AGAIN nizoral 2%)… 14 may 2017 = NO RESULTS AGAIN…
-I tried others treatment between 2014-2016: (t-gel, ratio-amcinonide, ratio-topisone, pramox, etc.).. no results.

My blood test for DHT, Iron, Ferritin, Thyroid glands: All is OK!

My questions are:
o Do you think my baldness is irreversible?
o Is extreme miniaturization possible in Chronic telogen effluvium? CTE + extreme miniaturization = necessarily Androgenetic Alopecia?
o What futur treatment will be effective for me? Follica, Jak inhibitors, Histogen, other(s)? I have not healthy hair. My 0,000000001% of hair are all extremely miniaturized. So, I'm sure that Tsuji, Hair transplant, Replicel, Hairclone, etc. will be not effective for me.
o What the antidepressed and neuroleptics do? Permanent damage?
o Is a biopsy required?

It's a nighmare for me. I had the same hair as Robert Charlebois. Since 2-3 years, I'm a monster.

I have uploaded pictures in attachments.The pictures were taken on October 30, 2016. Since October, my situation has continued to deteriorate. The hair continues to miniaturize, are less visible, the hair still falls, the itching and burning sensations are also intense. Under the sun or 100W light, my miniaturized hair are invisibles. The long scar in the middle of my head not due to baldness, It's a another story

But the five little white circles... maybe.

Thank you very much for all reply!
William

If you have vitiligo--you may have areata. Google areata and vitiligo.

Did you ever get a biopsy? Or see a specialist who know aobut various types of alopecia?

Its hard to tell you have bad hair loss because you are shaved...but I do see spots of no hair which to me can be areata.

I don't know you hair loss to me does not look bad--i thought you were going to be full on bald. It can be hard to see because you shave but I would not assume you had hair loss if I saw you--definitley not the way you described it in first post...just giving you the visual impression.


As far as I know CTE caused by drugs--that hair should come back even if you have androgenic.
Although I say 'should' I don't know.

 

[Willy31]

If you have vitiligo--you may have areata. Google areata and vitiligo.

Did you ever get a biopsy? Or see a specialist who know aobut various types of alopecia?

Its hard to tell you have bad hair loss because you are shaved...but I do see spots of no hair which to me can be areata.

I don't know you hair loss to me does not look bad--i thought you were going to be full on bald. It can be hard to see because you shave but I would not assume you had hair loss if I saw you--definitley not the way you described it in first post...just giving you the visual impression.


As far as I know CTE caused by drugs--that hair should come back even if you have androgenic.
Although I say 'should' I don't know.

But alopecia aereta is a brutal fall, which is not my situation. If you were in front of me and touched my head you would understand. My hair are fuzz, finer than my little blonde hair of forearms. I feel like I've been wading through the nuclear waste. It's very unhealthy in the way it fell.

I know several people who took Prozac or Risperdal for only one year at normal dose and they lost a lot of hair. The hair they lost never repulsed even several years later. The problem with me is that there is no census for situations like mine. I never saw anyone taking these three drugs at the same time for 14 years in high doses. This is a unique situation. Some say that if the miniaturization takes place, it is necessarily a sign that there is Androgenetic Alopecia. The biggest problem for me is miniaturization. Without miniaturization, my march of maneuver and my hopes would be much greater.

So, before my miniaturized hair disappears forever, I have to act fast. I absolutely want to get out of it. I need to save the little I have to hope to cure someday.

 

[Willy31]

Biopsy from mushroom white . Internal organs liver microbial test. Try topical three percent caffeine minoxidil azelaic acid %10

Thank you for reply. I will do it. But it's very long to have a meeting with dermatologist. I saw approximately 10 dermatologis since 2014 and they are f*cking piece of sh*t. I hate them. Except minoxidil and finasteride, they do not want to do anything. They do not listen and do not want to go deeper. It's really hard to get quality help. If you know an exceptional dermatologist somewhere on the planet, I'm ready to empty my piggy bank to go see it.

 

[Willy31]

I thought you were going to be full on bald.

It will be my situation soon if I do nothing.

 

[hairblues]

But alopecia aereta is a brutal fall, which is not my situation. If you were in front of me and touched my head you would understand. My hair are fuzz, finer than my little blonde hair of forearms. I feel like I've been wading through the nuclear waste. It's very unhealthy in the way it fell.

I know several people who took Prozac or Risperdal for only one year at normal dose and they lost a lot of hair. The hair they lost never repulsed even several years later. The problem with me is that there is no census for situations like mine. I never saw anyone taking these three drugs at the same time for 14 years in high doses. This is a unique situation. Some say that if the miniaturization takes place, it is necessarily a sign that there is Androgenetic Alopecia. The biggest problem for me is miniaturization. Without miniaturization, my march of maneuver and my hopes would be much greater.

So, before my miniaturized hair disappears forever, I have to act fast. I absolutely want to get out of it. I need to save the little I have to hope to cure someday.

No disrespect but photos are usually much worse than in person in my own experiene---and your photos to me at least are not bad or what you describe. I am not doubting your hair loss I just don't 'see' it as aggressive as you are describing but I could be wrong.

i for sure do see little 'holes' tiny that could be areata in my opinion.

areata is sometimes just little eraser head size holes...not saying this is what it is but I would also not be shocked.

Just so we are clear from a science perspective...Drugs do not cause miniaturization..Drugs sometimes trigger CTE or even Areata (as an immune response) but does not cause andgrogentic miniaturization.
If it made your androgenic more pronounced--sooner than it would have--this is possible this happened to me with anemia hair loss and androgenic. It made it more apparent then it normally would have but it did not actually progress the disease.
I personally responded really well to minoxidil and had to take high doses of iron (under Dr supervision) i got some good regrowth--but still have androgenic but night and day to what it was 7 months ago.

Have you been to an alopecia expert medically? Have you had biopsies?

You are in Quebec IF money really is no object you can you go down to NY to see the Doctors at Columba Presbyterian? That is where I went when I kept getting misdiagnosed I saw a Dr Mckay WIggans--she works with Christiano (Jax) I know she no longer sees patients but you can call that office and ask them for someone who specializes in 'complex' hair loss situations that you need a proper diagnostic..there is another Dr I can't think of her name of top of my head but if you call Mckay wiggans office you will probably get referred to that
woman.
There is another prominent Dr in Mid West I can't think what her name and hospital are but if that is easier I can try to find that information as well.

You have to find the doctors who are researchers in alopecia..Like Costarellis in Pennsylvania. He does not take new patients though unless you have a Dr write a letter of necessity.

If you do a little research you can find these people--they are usually published papers on the subject... I am sure in Quebec you must have alopecia dermatologist who specialize in complex hair loss who write papers do research. It's a major city.

 

[orkun]

Send a picture of Ali Doctor and ask for help.
He is the best

http://www.profalitahsingunes.com/
and
https://www.dermhairclinic.com/alopecia-areata-do-you-have-it/

 

[Trichosan]

What is the future hope for people with fine hair still being produced at the hairline but it never matures beyond the baby hair stage? I still have more hair like that on the front than on the back of my head.

 

[Eren]

I never heard of APHK before. An interesting condition and only 25 cases reported in English literature as of 2016. The mysteries of hair may be as diverse as that of the cosmos.

Yeah I know. I had to diagnose myself with it after 3 months of intensive Googling. Dermatologists don't know it either.

Not interesting tbh, it is the worst thing that can happen to your hair.

Hair completely deformed and all. Regular male pattern baldness sufferers have no idea how this is. It's literally a deformation of your hair with severe psychological consequences.

 

[Eren]

what is APHK ?

Acquired Progressive Kinking of Hair.

This is how it looks like. Hair cloning can't solve it if all your hair starts to look like this

IRL, it looks even worse when you look in the mirror. I can know!

 

[Willy31]

Send a picture of Ali Doctor and ask for help.
He is the best

http://www.profalitahsingunes.com/
and
https://www.dermhairclinic.com/alopecia-areata-do-you-have-it/

Is it possible to join him by email (I talk about the first link)? It's really hard to call outside of Canada. This is really expensive. I can write and talk in English but I am very bad to understand English.

No disrespect but photos are usually much worse than in person in my own experiene---and your photos to me at least are not bad or what you describe. I am not doubting your hair loss I just don't 'see' it as aggressive as you are describing but I could be wrong.

i for sure do see little 'holes' tiny that could be areata in my opinion.

areata is sometimes just little eraser head size holes...not saying this is what it is but I would also not be shocked.

Just so we are clear from a science perspective...Drugs do not cause miniaturization..Drugs sometimes trigger CTE or even Areata (as an immune response) but does not cause andgrogentic miniaturization.
If it made your androgenic more pronounced--sooner than it would have--this is possible this happened to me with anemia hair loss and androgenic. It made it more apparent then it normally would have but it did not actually progress the disease.
I personally responded really well to minoxidil and had to take high doses of iron (under Dr supervision) i got some good regrowth--but still have androgenic but night and day to what it was 7 months ago.

Have you been to an alopecia expert medically? Have you had biopsies?

You are in Quebec IF money really is no object you can you go down to NY to see the Doctors at Columba Presbyterian? That is where I went when I kept getting misdiagnosed I saw a Dr Mckay WIggans--she works with Christiano (Jax) I know she no longer sees patients but you can call that office and ask them for someone who specializes in 'complex' hair loss situations that you need a proper diagnostic..there is another Dr I can't think of her name of top of my head but if you call Mckay wiggans office you will probably get referred to that
woman.
There is another prominent Dr in Mid West I can't think what her name and hospital are but if that is easier I can try to find that information as well.

You have to find the doctors who are researchers in alopecia..Like Costarellis in Pennsylvania. He does not take new patients though unless you have a Dr write a letter of necessity.

If you do a little research you can find these people--they are usually published papers on the subject... I am sure in Quebec you must have alopecia dermatologist who specialize in complex hair loss who write papers do research. It's a major city.

No, I saw all the dermatologist hairloss specialists (Montreal, Québec and others city) and they are f*cking loosers. I begged them to get a biopsy and they did not want it. They say it's too long. In reality, they do not give a damn.

I really need email adress of a exceptional dermatologist as close as possile from Québec/Canada as and who can speak in French. If not, I could bring a friend with me to translate.

Thank you very much. I truly appreciate it.