For Bryan- GTE increasing dht

Jacob

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Bryan...did you ever get the full study or whatever..and post about it? This is from Hairsite:

A concern that is commonly brought up about green tea is the idea that it decreases levels of androgens such as testosterone and DHT. One study reported that after administered to rats, EGCG "significantly reduced food intake; body weight; blood levels of testosterone, estradiol, leptin, insulin, insulin-like growth factor I, LH, glucose, cholesterol, and triglyceride" <22>. However, a different study with green tea catechins in rats found decreased body weight but increased thyroid stimulating hormone (TSH), LH, and testosterone levels <85>. A final study in mice with green tea indicated drastic increases in both testosterone and DHT from green tea treatment, but levels of both were synergistically inhibited when it was adminstered along with soy phytochemicals <86>. In vitro, EGCG inhibits type I 5AR <2, 87>, which is partially responsible for the conversion of testosterone to DHT (for this reason, it has been proposed in the topical treatment of acne and hair loss <2>), while in rats, green tea is an aromatase inhibitor, which (in theory) would be responsible for an increase in tesotsterone levels <85>.

So, how does one make sense of this mess of contadictory data? It should first be noted that 5AR inhibition has only been shown in vitro <87>, while it has not been observed in live animals – in fact, drastic increases in DHT have been found - and it seems that other constituents of green tea counteract the 5AR inhibition <88>. The conclusions of the first study, which found drastic decreases in body weight, testosterone, and other hormones, are very misleading. A drastic reduction in levels of all of the substances mentioned can unfortunately be expected from weight loss in any situation (which is one of the reasons losing weight without losing muscle mass is so difficult). Indeed, when the authors of the same study restricted the food intake of the rats to cause a similar weight loss to that induced by EGCG, similar effects were seen, implying that the changes were not due to EGCG but due to drastic body weight loss <22>. The effect green tea has on levels of androgens and other hormones is complex and depends on various factors, but no detrimental effects have as of yet been seen in human populations.

And that was taken from http://www.goendurance.com/?articleID=34
 

Old Baldy

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Hey Jacob, off topic but have you ever tried Yerba Mate' tea. Good Stuff!!

Healthy for you.
 

Jacob

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I know I have but don't recall what it tasted like! I'll have to try some again sometime.
 

Bryan

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Jacob said:
Bryan...did you ever get the full study or whatever..and post about it?

Which specific study are you referring to? Number 86? I don't have it, but it would be easy enough to get, if you're interested in it.

Bryan
 

Jacob

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Whichever one you were referring to at Hairsite. I'm guessing it's the one that said gte increased dht levels or ??
 

Bryan

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Jacob, can you provide a link to that discussion? I have no recollection of it at the moment...

Bryan
 

Jacob

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Old Baldy..that may be it.

I just searched for it at Hairsite..either David is deleting things or it's there and I'm not seeing it. Will try again some other time if needed...
 

Bryan

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Jacob, I'd be happy to get a copy of that study from the 2003 issue of the Journal of Nutrition and send it to you, if you're hot to read it! :) Just tell me where to send it.

Bryan
 

Jacob

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Nah..but thanks. I was just curious what the verdict was on both topical and internal use of gte..and dht.
 
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