Few questions about Revivogen...

[jambri]

Hi all, I have a few questions:

1. Is Revivogen good for early stage mild to moderate thinning?

2. Would Propecia be a better option for this? (bit worried about internal hormone issues with Propecia)

3. Is revivogen easier to apply than minoxidil, in general?

Thanks very much in advance!

 

[the_beast]

Hi all, I have a few questions:
1. Is Revivogen good for early stage mild to moderate thinning?

Yes. It is probably in your best interest to start it immediately if you are planning to use it.

2. Would Propecia be a better option for this? (bit worried about internal hormone issues with Propecia)

Propecia has more backing to it, as it is a proven treatment. There has been definitely a few great stories about Revivogen though. It's up to you. Since you are just mildly thinning I think you should try your luck with Revivogen and some type of growth stimulant before starting hormonal treatments. Some may disagree and say the moment a few hairs fall out, get on finasteride. To each his own.

3. Is revivogen easier to apply than minoxidil, in general?

I don't know how hard minoxidil is to apply, but I can tell you this: Revivogen is extremely messy. It's runny, and smelly.

 

[Britannia]

Use propecia for 12 months, then if you get no response try an unproven treatment like revivogen. Im pretty sure revivogen is greasier than minoxidil, but thats only what Ive read around on here.

 

[jambri]

Hmm, I have heard several times that Revivogen is more effective than Propecia from users of both. I think I might go with that, despite having to routinely apply it every day of my life (yawn!)

 

[Britannia]

Hmm, I have heard several times that Revivogen is more effective than Propecia from users of both. I think I might go with that, despite having to routinely apply it every day of my life (yawn!)

Revivogen is more effective than Propecia? Wake up and pull your head out of the clouds.

 

[jambri]

Is there a study which supports your claim, specifically, that Revivogen is less effective than Propecia? The revivogen studies indicate to me that both products must be very comparable in effectiveness.

From the Revivogen website:

If you’re looking for the best hair loss treatment on the market today and tired of thinning hair and hair loss, try Revivogen.

 

[the_beast]

It's not really that it's not as effective, but it's unclear. Hell, it MAY really be better than finasteride at 5AR inhibition. Alot of people won't trust Revivogen due to the fact that it does indeed lack alot of the testing on people that finasteride has. Most guys just aren't willing to take a chance on their hair to try it out.

Some people will say it didn't work, some people will swear by it. Just like Finasteride. It doesn't work for 100% of people. (Even though it does help a very high percentage of them).

However, Revivogen will never ever replace finasteride due to the fact finasteride has much more clinical data backing it. You technically should try the tried and true treatments first (the big 3) before trying other stuff. If you really refuse to take propecia, then your next best bet would probably be spironolactone + Revivogen for topical anti-androgens.

 

[Britannia]

Is there a study which supports your claim, specifically, that Revivogen is less effective than Propecia?

Propecia was declared 83% successful in FDA approved trials. There are countless independant studies proving Propecia's effectiveness. Revivogen has never been trialed in this way or studied in any depth. Any success atributed to revivogen is theoretical and ancedotal. A study that compared Propecia to Revivogen would be laughable.

The revivogen studies indicate to me that both products must be very comparable in effectiveness.

99.99% of people on this forum know that this is true BS. 83% of people will have positive results from Propecia - the remaining 17% may use an alternative treatment such as Revivogen and have good results (HairLossTalk.com is such an example) but overall Propecia would prove to be devasatingly more effective than Revivogen.

From the Revivogen website:

If you’re looking for the best hair loss treatment on the market today and tired of thinning hair and hair loss, try Revivogen.

Thankyou for this comedy quotation. What were you expecting to find on the Revivogen f*****g website?? :lol: :lol: Hell if its on the Revivogen website then it must be true!!!!

Come on man - you really expect to start sprouting off wild claims about Revivogen being more effective than Propecia and then quote a statement from the Revivogen website, and be taken seriously?

 

[sublime]

:woot:

 

[jambri]

Holy Monkey Sublime, that's quite some regimen.

Britannia, you are correct, Revivogen does not have FDA approval per se, although most of the active ingredients have comprehensive scientific backing independently.

HairLossTalk.com, the forum admin here, uses Revivogen (not Propecia) and has successfully maintained his hair. He uses Revivogen because of the nasty hormonal side effects sometimes associated with Propecia, which are not prevalent with topical treatments. I am sure many other users of Revivogen would say the same.

Britannia, my head is not in the clouds. However, I do not value FDA approval more highly than other thorough scientific studies/sources, necessarily. It does depend on the source to an extent though, of course. Maybe it pays to bear in mind that FDA approval has no actual effect on whether or not a treatment actually works.

 

[Britannia]

HairLossTalk.com, the forum admin here, uses Revivogen (not Propecia) and has successfully maintained his hair.

Im not saying that Revivogen is useless. Im saying you were wrong for suggesting it to be more effective than Propecia, which it clearly isnt.

I do not value FDA approval more highly than other thorough scientific studies/sources, necessarily. It does depend on the source to an extent though, of course. Maybe it pays to bear in mind that FDA approval has no actual effect on whether or not a treatment actually works.

Luckily most level headed people do value the approval of one of the most respected drug authorities in the world. And yes FDA approval does mean a drug has been found to be successful.

 

[jambri]

Britannia, to cover some of the points you made:

A study that compared Propecia to Revivogen would be laughable.

I don't think it would be laughable, I think it would be interesting and valuable. I would not necessarily discard any treatment merely because it does not have FDA approval. I would do some of my own research too. Some of the (admittedly) non-FDA approved research conducted on Revivogen makes it sound very comparable in effectiveness to Propecia, in my opinion.

Luckily most level headed people do value the approval of one of the most respected drug authorities in the world.

Well, speaking as a level headed person, I must ask: Lucky in whose opinion? The FDA benefits from FDA trials regardless of whether a product goes on to make sales. By the way, I don't disagree with you: I also value the approval of the FDA; I think it does count for something.

And yes FDA approval does mean a drug has been found to be successful.

I agree with this comment. It seems obvious to me. However: Propecia did not suddenly become effective once it was FDA approved. It was always effective.

Not all companies can afford to conduct FDA trials.

 

[sublime]

:bravo:

 

[Aplunk1]

Jambri,
very well said, and a great point you've made. "Something" is definitely better than "nothing."

Even if the proposed study were independent, as opposed to FDA-approved, it would still have some backing to it. Certainly, something is better than nothing.

And in any case, the fact that we know more brings us closer to a brighter future.

Okay-
that said, I'm going to go get drunk... It's my day off.

 

[DonaldAnderson]

From the Revivogen website:

If you’re looking for the best hair loss treatment on the market today and tired of thinning hair and hair loss, try Revivogen.

Thankyou for this comedy quotation. What were you expecting to find on the Revivogen f****ing website?? :lol: :lol: Hell if its on the Revivogen website then it must be true!!!!

Come on man - you really expect to start sprouting off wild claims about Revivogen being more effective than Propecia and then quote a statement from the Revivogen website, and be taken seriously?

I laughed at that one too.

 

[Britannia]

I would not necessarily discard any treatment merely because it does not have FDA approval.

Neither would I. However I would also consider trying a FDA approved treatment before an unproven one.

Some of the (admittedly) non-FDA approved research conducted on Revivogen makes it sound very comparable in effectiveness to Propecia, in my opinion.

Yes but this research was conducted by people with some kind of financial interest in Revivogen.

The FDA benefits from FDA trials regardless of whether a product goes on to make sales. .

EXACTLY MY POINT. The FDA had NOTHING to gain by finding Propecia to be 83% successful with sides at 2%. This adds serious credability to the Propecia trials. This is why FDA approved trials are seen as the gold standard in determining drug effectiveness.

Not all companies can afford to conduct FDA trials.

If they had a genuine product that came anywhere close to being as effective as Propecia then they would find investments to fund a FDA trial. Simple.

 

[sublime]

unk:

 

[cook'n'milkies]

You are definitely right about that sublime. I have no trouble believing that it's possible, if not likely, that the pharmaceutical industry and the FDA are knocking boots. When money is involved, it's more like a certainty.

Just look at how the FDA will approve something like Splenda or those other artificial sweetners. Those things are f*****g devastating to the health of human beings!!!

 

[lithebod]

the problem with revivogen as I see it is that they only cite studies of its ingredients as an indication of its effectiveness against male pattern baldness - rev has been out since what? 2000? so in 6 years they havent managed to complete a clinical trial that shows at least some proof of the effectiveness of the product on a statistically significant number of people. So forget the FDA for a second if they just did a trial that showed out of X number Y percent maintained/ regrew their hair and published it in a reputable journal then Im sure it would make their case more solid

I was a revivogen user for over 10 months and felt that it might have been working for me - but what led me to stop using it was that niggling feeling that maybe it wasnt working and I was just losing hair slowly as I had been for years before - the maker of Revivogen has mentioned a clinical trial which is always seems to be ongoing - i.e. more of a marketing device as there is never any update on this alleged clinical trial. A few new before and after shots on their site is not good enough to convince me that it was worth continuing