Fern And Pterosin Derivatives For Hair Loss (another Mice Study)

Oppenheimer

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Indians, Afghans and Pakistanis have CRAZY facial hair but rarely go bald.

Something in the genes that must be switched off. That's it.
 

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benjt2

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You know what this map reminds me of?

This one:
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In fact, since I dropped dairy from my diet, my scalp itch greatly decreased. No, not a single hair grew back, but my scalp is less oily and itchy. I think dropping dairy at least slows down the progress of (my) hair loss.
 

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Sure. The map can also be interpreted in different ways. I was thinking about European invasions of the rest of the world.

Meats, processed foods, sugar (big no no), dairies, and saturated fats can play a negative role in hair and scalp health. I remember eating fast foods everyday for a while and observing a visible degradation of my health. But to your point, starting to eat lean like a Japanese won't regrow your hair and fight thousands of years of genetic evolution. For this, there needs to be something more drastic to be done.
 

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A lot of those countries on the lower end eat a lot of estrogenic foods, Japanese/Chinese eat soy, tofu. Mexicans eat avocado and hot chillies.
 

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Indians, Afghans and Pakistanis have CRAZY facial hair but rarely go bald.

Something in the genes that must be switched off. That's it.
A lot of older Indians do actually go bald, esp the ones living in the UK. All that nasty oily food.
 

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I don't want to derail this thread further but wanted to note some things related to nutrition:

Someone once made a post here how Androgenetic Alopecia in males is, in some ways, similar to PCOS or IBS in females. Both for males with Androgenetic Alopecia and PCOS/IBS in females, there are two strong effects: 1) nutrition influencing local hormones strongly, and 2) nutrition having a stronger influence on inflammatory processes in the body than in people without Androgenetic Alopecia/PCOS/IBS. In both cases, insulin resistance and associated dietary patterns also play a role. The gist is that a diet good for people with Androgenetic Alopecia/PCOS/IBS, i.e. that would not trigger symptoms or disease progression, would be low in inflammatory stressors.

So I did my research on which foods have strong negative influence on women with PCOS/IBS, which foods usually lead to an increase in inflammatory markers, and did some experiments of my own. My experiments (which I did over several months) were of the following form: I eliminated all of the foods I list below for at least two weeks from my diet and then added, one by one, the different dietary components back to my diet. Kept them in my diet for two weeks and checked how scalp oiliness and itch changed.
So, to give you an example, it looked as follows:
  • eliminate all of the below foods from my diet
  • add one, e.g. milk and dairy
  • again, eliminate milk and dairy (and all others) for two weeks for my scalp to settle down again
  • add alcohol for two weeks (e.g. two beers a night or heavy drinking on weekends)
  • eliminate alcohol again, back to "zero bad foods" for two weeks to reset

My findings are as follows. when I say "bad" I mean "scalp gets oily and itchy within hours":
  • milk and dairy products: very, very bad.
  • alcohol: very bad
  • wheat and gluten: bad
  • glucose: bad, but only in higher amounts
  • meat, especially red meat: pretty bad (organic meat, though, not so much - hints at hormones and general animal health which influences inflammatory cells in meat playing a role)
Bottom line:
I completely eliminated dairy from my diet. I keep alcohol consumption very low, and reduced wheat and gluten consumption by a lot. Admittedly I am not very good at cutting glucose. When I eat meat I eat organic white meat (organic chicken, organic turkey).
Result: Scalp much less oily, scalp itch much weaker. I attribute it mostly to cutting out dairy completely and reducing alcohol consumption strongly. I wish I had known about this a couple of years back, I consumed milk, dairy and alcohol in huge amounts. Might still have a lot more hair now than I do if I had known earlier (and if scalp itch is an indicator of Androgenetic Alopecia progression pace).

Of course this is not a scientific study at all. But at least in the case of milk/dairy and alcohol consumption, when I do actually consume a lot of them, an increase in scalp oiliness and itchiness is noticeable within 8 to 16 hours afterwards. As I have eliminated them from my diet and my scalp is usually quite dry and non-itchy these days, the difference is very noticeable.

And no, cutting any of these has not helped me regrow anything. But the reduction in scalp oiliness and itchiness is significant.

Maybe I should open a seperate thread for these results of mine if anyone's interested.
 
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