Do these hormone-boosters cause hair loss?

[hairah]

I'm wondering if any of the following products would cause further hair loss in those with male pattern baldness. Also, I'd like to know if these products would interfere with the effects of finasteride, which I might buy in the near future. (Right now I'm using Super Zix and Nizoral). Anyway, onto the products:

1. Growth hormone boosters such as l-arginine, l-glutamine, and gaba, either alone or in combination. (I'm thinking of stacking 3 grams of arginine with 2 grams of glutamine.)

2. A particular tribulus terrestris product (you can find a description at: http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=1006576). The company claims that the product is harvested in Bulgaria and is the most potent tribulus product in the world.

3. Horny goat weed--This herb might not raise testosterone levels but it does increase sexual function, so you never know what effect it might have on male pattern baldness.

I'd appreciate any knowledgeable replies. Thanks.

 

[Thinning]

1.) Barely increase GH levels, and only for a brief amount of time. Will not promote hairloss, but may increase athletic performance due to NO increase.

2.) Tribulus proven to be completly ineffective in increasing test levels. For something that does, look up ATD and Nettle Root Extract, or for specific products look at Designer Supplements Rebound XT and Activate.

3.) Horny Goat Weed is in many sexual performance boosters because of its name, it has never been shown to increase sexual function.

Basically save your money, if you get any benefit from these products its likely a placebo effect. ATD works, but like any AI it will crush your libido. It will boost test levels above normal.

I ran a month of the Designer Supps stack ( Rebound XT + Activate ) as an alternative to using hardcore steroids last December. At 100 and 75mg the ATD was killing my libido, but it returned at 50 and seemed to be above normal at 25mg with the Activate. I didnt gain much bodyweight ( 2-3lbs ) but I gained significant strength in the gym, and looked much more defined/veiny/cut. Im going to run it again soon.

I noticed no increase in hairloss, but for 1 month I doubt it would affect it much.

 

[stax]

Thinning, do you think that 10mg of Aromasin daily with Dutasteride would hinder the positive effects Dutasteride has on hairloss at all?

 

[Thinning]

Thinning, do you think that 10mg of Aromasin daily with Dutasteride would hinder the positive effects Dutasteride has on hairloss at all?

No but thats a lot of Aromasin to be running for prolonged periods of time. You are going to dry out your joints, and likely f*** up your sex life. Why not cycle it? You are trying to prevent gyno right?

 

[stax]

Thinning, yes im just trying to prevent gyno and also the face bloat ( i get it on 5ar inhibitors) . Minoxidil doesnt help the face bloat either. Its a really big concern as it messes with my looks. 10mg Aromasin daily is too much? I dont want to f*** my self up even more, what would you recommend? These dudes on elitefitness told me to take 10mg, they said that AI's dont totally reduce estrogen in males like they do woman. At 25mg Aromasin reduced a maximun of 87% estrogen in females. So im taking 10mg and thinking it may reduce estrogen by mabye 35% at most?

You're help/advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

 

[Thinning]

Id start out at no more than 5mg.

 

[hairah]

1.) Barely increase GH levels, and only for a brief amount of time. Will not promote hairloss, but may increase athletic performance due to NO increase.

2.) Tribulus proven to be completly ineffective in increasing test levels. For something that does, look up ATD and Nettle Root Extract, or for specific products look at Designer Supplements Rebound XT and Activate.

3.) Horny Goat Weed is in many sexual performance boosters because of its name, it has never been shown to increase sexual function.

Basically save your money, if you get any benefit from these products its likely a placebo effect. ATD works, but like any AI it will crush your libido. It will boost test levels above normal.

I ran a month of the Designer Supps stack ( Rebound XT + Activate ) as an alternative to using hardcore steroids last December. At 100 and 75mg the ATD was killing my libido, but it returned at 50 and seemed to be above normal at 25mg with the Activate. I didnt gain much bodyweight ( 2-3lbs ) but I gained significant strength in the gym, and looked much more defined/veiny/cut. Im going to run it again soon.

I noticed no increase in hairloss, but for 1 month I doubt it would affect it much.

I appreciate the response although a few of your points are debatable. Concerning the tribulus supplement, the company in question claims that most tribulus products are worthless. To quote the website, "Tribulus that boosts Testosterone is only found in Bulgaria and contains many powerful compounds that are vital for results. All have to be present in precise amounts in order to achieve maximum effect.

None of the other companies talk about this because they're embarrassed to admit that their non-Bulgarian products are grossly deficient."

Of course, this could be marketing bullshit, but enough people have claimed good results from the product to warrant giving it a shot, in my reckoning.

Also Horny Goat Weed has been shown to increase libido in two studies (one of which was placebo-controlled) conducted by Steven Lamm. The studies are described in his book "The Hardness Factor." He used a particular brand of the herb, so maybe that makes a difference.

 

[Thinning]

Id love to see a double blind placebo study on either of those two supplements. The only one I have seen on tribulus showed no statistical difference in test levels.

I have seen a study that showed Arginine helped erectile disfunction. It helped about 30% of the testers vs 10% for placebo ( compared to like 87% for cialis and 95% for v**** ). I dont think that is a libido thing, its more of a blood flow thing.

Anyhow Im not ruling out that some specific version of trib or HGW helps, Ive just never seen any study back it up. I think its a long shot at best.

 

[Intellecturall]

Thinning, do you think that 10mg of Aromasin daily with Dutasteride would hinder the positive effects Dutasteride has on hairloss at all?

No but thats a lot of Aromasin to be running for prolonged periods of time. You are going to dry out your joints, and likely f*** up your sex life. Why not cycle it? You are trying to prevent gyno right?

Aromasin does not cause the same sides as Letro or Arimidex- I have run it @ 12.5 mg for over a month with no joint problems, alternatively, ATD will murder my joints very quickly.

 

[stax]

Intellecturall, in your opinion do you think that me taking 10mg of Aromasin daily with Dutateride will cause hairloss or lower the positive effects of Dutasteride for hairloss? Because Aromasin will lower estrogen and i guess increase testosterone? Im taking it to prevent gyno as i got a little bit of stringy chest fat or tissue from Finesteride in the past.


Thx.



Also, thanks Thinning for the reply. I just dont feel confident that 5mg of Aromasin will prevent gyno. I think im gyno prone so 10mg sounds like it would forsure prevent it. I'll see how i do on it.

 

[Thinning]

Fine, but if your libido goes to crap, dont be so sure its the dutasteride and not the Aromasin. Personally I would start low, and unless you already have gyno, I dont know if you can be sure you even need an AI.

 

[stax]

Hi Thinning, im pretty sure that Propecia either gave me "mild" gyno, or caused me to gain some fatty tissue in the chest. Im a lean guy naturally and my chest never used to sag at all when not flexed. Also i developed a very tiny lump near my armpit. Its the size of a very small pea. My Doctor said it was just fatty tissue, but it sounds like very mild gyno to me. Also, when i grab my pecks and twist them, then let go and flex, i can see this bit of stringy fatty tissue appear and i can move it around for a few seconds, then it disappears. It right by my armpits, and the fat or tissue looks almost like a few strands of spaghetti inside my chest. I dont know if this is fat or that diffuse fatty type gyno tissue. Thats why im worried and want to take 10mg of the Aromasin. My joint are doing fine after like 5 days on the stuff and sex drive is still good. I personally dont think that 10mg's will lower estrogen too much in my case, but keep it from rising too much. Im more worried that it might lower the positive effects of Dutasteride on my hair. If what i do have is mild gyno i might even use the Letro i have to get rid of it. Im just really worried that i'll have very low DHT from the Dutasteride, very low estrogen (if i use Letro to get rid of gyno) and VERY high Testosterone that might cause hairloss or other problems.


BTW, what do you think of "Super Curcumin" with Bioperine for gyno prevention specifically for thr chest area? I was told this is great for that.

 

[Thinning]

Well you may be the pioneer on the dutasteride/aromasin approach, not sure there is enough info to determine what going to happen with your hairloss sex drive and gyno. I guess we will see.

Anyhow dont twist or pinch your nipples if you have gyno, that can lead to lactating!

 

[stax]

Thanks Thinning for the help. This hairloss sh*t sure caused me MANY problems! My face is also puffy and round looking like a f*****g tomato. I know its mostly from the Dutasteride and only partially from the Minoxidil because when i stopped Propecia and wasnt on any 5ar inhibitors for a couple of months my face looked a lot leaner. 10mg of Aromasin doesnt seem to he helping at all and in fact my face looks worse. Im wondering if all that extra testosterone in the absence of DHT is causing this face bloat? Mabye i should try the Letro i have and see if it helps? I was also thinking of trying some yohimburn ES on my face to see if that helps. Do you have any recommendations for this problem? It feels like i have pressure on my cheeks. Im really starting to get sick of all this, but i need my hair. This sucks!

 

[Thinning]

Dunno man, my face always looks the same even when I experimented with steroids and pro-hormones. I didnt get any bloat or acne or anything. When I play around with AI's, the place I notice it in most is my abs. Seems like they suck the water out of my abs area.