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Potential medical uses

Curcumin is known for its antitumor, antioxidant, anti-amyloid and anti-inflammatory properties. Anti-inflammatory properties may be due to inhibition of eicosanoid biosynthesis.[2]

Curcumin acts as a free radical scavenger and antioxidant, inhibiting lipid peroxidation and oxidative DNA damage. Curcuminoids induce glutathione S-transferase and are potent inhibitors of cytochrome P450.

For the last few decades, extensive work has been done to establish the biological activities and pharmacological actions of curcumin. Its anticancer effects stem from its ability to induce apoptosis in cancer cells without cytotoxic effects on healthy cells. Curcumin can interfere with the activity of the transcription factor NF-κB, which has been linked to a number of inflammatory diseases such as cancer.[3] Indeed, when 0.2% curcumin is added to diet given to rats or mice previously given a carcinogen, it significantly reduces colon carcinogenesis (Data from sixteen scientific articles reported in the Chemoprevention Database). A 2007 report indicates that curcumin may suppress the oncogene, MDM2, involved in mechanisms of malignant tumor formation[2].

A 2004 UCLA-Veterans Affairs study involving genetically altered mice suggests that curcumin might inhibit the accumulation of destructive beta-amyloid in the brains of Alzheimer's disease patients and also break up existing plaques associated with the disease.[4]

There is also circumstantial evidence that curcumin improves mental functions; a survey of 1010 Asian people who ate yellow curry and were between the ages of 60 and 93 showed that those who ate the sauce "once every six months" or more had higher MMSE results than those who did not.[5] From a scientific standpoint, though, this does not show whether the curry caused it, or people who had healthy habits also tended to eat the curry, or some completely different relationship.

Little curcumin, when eaten, is absorbed-- 2 grams of curcumin alone resulted in undetectable to very low serum levels.[6] Co-supplementation with 20 mg of piperine (extracted from black pepper) significantly increased the absorption of curcumin by 2000%[6]. However, due to its effects on drug metabolism, piperine should be taken cautiously (if at all) by individuals taking other medications. Some benefits of curcumin, such as the potential protection from colon cancer, may not require systemic absorption. Recently, a polymeric nanoparticle encapsulated formulation of curcumin ("nanocurcumin") has been synthesized which has the potential to bypass many of the shortcomings associated with free curcumin, such as poor solubility and poor systemic bioavailability. Nanocurcumin particles have a size of less than 100 nanometers on average, and demonstrate comparable to superior efficacy compared to free curcumin in human cancer cell line models. [7]

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However, as pointed out by Kawanishi et al. (2005) curcumin is a "double-edged sword" having both anti-cancer and carcinogenic effects.[8] Carcinogenic effects are inferred from interference with the p53 tumor suppressor pathway, an important factor in human colon cancer.[9] Carcinogenic and LD50 tests in mice and rats, however, have failed to establish a relationship between tumorogenesis and administration of curcumin in turmeric oleoresin at >98% concentrations.[10] This may prove curcumin medicinally useful as it helps activate p53[citation needed]. When a cell is inhibited by cancer then the concentrations of p53 increase, helping cells defend against cancer mechanisms[citation needed]. But it may also suppress p53 levels, preventing cells from initiating defensive mechanisms, a response seen only in certain diseases[cit"


so after reading the possible benifits and risks, how should one proceed ? If I decied to take it what doesage should I use, and what red lights should I look for?
 

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HARM1 said:
wikipedia:
Potential medical uses

Curcumin is known for its antitumor, antioxidant, anti-amyloid and anti-inflammatory properties. Anti-inflammatory properties may be due to inhibition of eicosanoid biosynthesis.[2]

Curcumin acts as a free radical scavenger and antioxidant, inhibiting lipid peroxidation and oxidative DNA damage. Curcuminoids induce glutathione S-transferase and are potent inhibitors of cytochrome P450.

For the last few decades, extensive work has been done to establish the biological activities and pharmacological actions of curcumin. Its anticancer effects stem from its ability to induce apoptosis in cancer cells without cytotoxic effects on healthy cells. Curcumin can interfere with the activity of the transcription factor NF-κB, which has been linked to a number of inflammatory diseases such as cancer.[3] Indeed, when 0.2% curcumin is added to diet given to rats or mice previously given a carcinogen, it significantly reduces colon carcinogenesis (Data from sixteen scientific articles reported in the Chemoprevention Database). A 2007 report indicates that curcumin may suppress the oncogene, MDM2, involved in mechanisms of malignant tumor formation[2].

A 2004 UCLA-Veterans Affairs study involving genetically altered mice suggests that curcumin might inhibit the accumulation of destructive beta-amyloid in the brains of Alzheimer's disease patients and also break up existing plaques associated with the disease.[4]

There is also circumstantial evidence that curcumin improves mental functions; a survey of 1010 Asian people who ate yellow curry and were between the ages of 60 and 93 showed that those who ate the sauce "once every six months" or more had higher MMSE results than those who did not.[5] From a scientific standpoint, though, this does not show whether the curry caused it, or people who had healthy habits also tended to eat the curry, or some completely different relationship.

Little curcumin, when eaten, is absorbed-- 2 grams of curcumin alone resulted in undetectable to very low serum levels.[6] Co-supplementation with 20 mg of piperine (extracted from black pepper) significantly increased the absorption of curcumin by 2000%[6]. However, due to its effects on drug metabolism, piperine should be taken cautiously (if at all) by individuals taking other medications. Some benefits of curcumin, such as the potential protection from colon cancer, may not require systemic absorption. Recently, a polymeric nanoparticle encapsulated formulation of curcumin ("nanocurcumin") has been synthesized which has the potential to bypass many of the shortcomings associated with free curcumin, such as poor solubility and poor systemic bioavailability. Nanocurcumin particles have a size of less than 100 nanometers on average, and demonstrate comparable to superior efficacy compared to free curcumin in human cancer cell line models. [7]

[edit] Risks

However, as pointed out by Kawanishi et al. (2005) curcumin is a "double-edged sword" having both anti-cancer and carcinogenic effects.[8] Carcinogenic effects are inferred from interference with the p53 tumor suppressor pathway, an important factor in human colon cancer.[9] Carcinogenic and LD50 tests in mice and rats, however, have failed to establish a relationship between tumorogenesis and administration of curcumin in turmeric oleoresin at >98% concentrations.[10] This may prove curcumin medicinally useful as it helps activate p53[citation needed]. When a cell is inhibited by cancer then the concentrations of p53 increase, helping cells defend against cancer mechanisms[citation needed]. But it may also suppress p53 levels, preventing cells from initiating defensive mechanisms, a response seen only in certain diseases[cit"


so after reading the possible benifits and risks, how should one proceed ? If I decied to take it what doesage should I use, and what red lights should I look for?




Forget dosages - just add it to your diet.

Ive been taking Turmeric all my life and im still thinning.


Like I said earlier - A topical that addresses the IMMUNAL response locally is needed.


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Pete
 

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Immune response is very important I agree. The problem is no one can understand what this immune response is.
 

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Its already possible to reverse Alopecia and the INFLAMMATION involved. Inflammation is Inflammation at the end of the day. So I am quite optimistic about the future of TOPICALS.


Regards
Pete
 

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abcdefg said:
Immune response is very important I agree. The problem is no one can understand what this immune response is.

In male pattern baldness, TGF-beta production is obviously increased from what many studies have shown. TNF-alpha is also a powerful mediator of the immune response. It just so happens that TGF-beta is a chemotactic factor for the immune system, so it draws immune cells into the peripheral tissues.

If there is inflammation it's quite likely that it's due to the local effects of TGF-beta production.
 

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docj077 said:
abcdefg said:
Immune response is very important I agree. The problem is no one can understand what this immune response is.

In male pattern baldness, TGF-beta production is obviously increased from what many studies have shown. TNF-alpha is also a powerful mediator of the immune response. It just so happens that TGF-beta is a chemotactic factor for the immune system, so it draws immune cells into the peripheral tissues.

If there is inflammation it's quite likely that it's due to the local effects of TGF-beta production.
Doctor, You said that when you were on curcumin, you actually felt your hair was better, could you explain?
Also you mentioned that you saw your blood clot slower- this is A known affect of curcumin, and that is why it's not recomended for people with blood cloting problems. still, for normal people I don'tsee this as a factor in not using curcumin.
since no tests were done, how do you think can one decied on the correct amount to take daily?
 

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HARM1 said:
docj077 said:
abcdefg said:
Immune response is very important I agree. The problem is no one can understand what this immune response is.

In male pattern baldness, TGF-beta production is obviously increased from what many studies have shown. TNF-alpha is also a powerful mediator of the immune response. It just so happens that TGF-beta is a chemotactic factor for the immune system, so it draws immune cells into the peripheral tissues.

If there is inflammation it's quite likely that it's due to the local effects of TGF-beta production.
Doctor, You said that when you were on curcumin, you actually felt your hair was better, could you explain?
Also you mentioned that you saw your blood clot slower- this is A known affect of curcumin, and that is why it's not recomended for people with blood cloting problems. still, for normal people I don'tsee this as a factor in not using curcumin.
since no tests were done, how do you think can one decied on the correct amount to take daily?

It was better in that my hair became thicker and I didn't lose any hair during my normal daily hair combing that I like to do when I get out of the shower.

As for how much curcumin to take daily...I really don't have an answer to that question. Studies have shown that you can take multiple grams of curcumin before you should encounter problems. However, I had some GI upset and potential clotting problems with just a few hundred milligrams per day. So, it pretty much comes down to individual choice and what a person with hairloss is comfortable with in the long run.

I don't really like to make recommendations when it comes to curcumin, because you never really know how much you're taking as it's not regulated and you never really know how much is absorbed.
 

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docj077 said:
HARM1 said:
docj077 said:
abcdefg said:
Immune response is very important I agree. The problem is no one can understand what this immune response is.

In male pattern baldness, TGF-beta production is obviously increased from what many studies have shown. TNF-alpha is also a powerful mediator of the immune response. It just so happens that TGF-beta is a chemotactic factor for the immune system, so it draws immune cells into the peripheral tissues.

If there is inflammation it's quite likely that it's due to the local effects of TGF-beta production.
Doctor, You said that when you were on curcumin, you actually felt your hair was better, could you explain?
Also you mentioned that you saw your blood clot slower- this is A known affect of curcumin, and that is why it's not recomended for people with blood cloting problems. still, for normal people I don'tsee this as a factor in not using curcumin.
since no tests were done, how do you think can one decied on the correct amount to take daily?

It was better in that my hair became thicker and I didn't lose any hair during my normal daily hair combing that I like to do when I get out of the shower.

As for how much curcumin to take daily...I really don't have an answer to that question. Studies have shown that you can take multiple grams of curcumin before you should encounter problems. However, I had some GI upset and potential clotting problems with just a few hundred milligrams per day. So, it pretty much comes down to individual choice and what a person with hairloss is comfortable with in the long run.

I don't really like to make recommendations when it comes to curcumin, because you never really know how much you're taking as it's not regulated and you never really know how much is absorbed.

Thanks for replying.
Do you think that it could help my SB? I mean it fights one of the immun branches of the body...

That also sounds like what steroids do, and they are not recomended for a long use, is there a correlation?
 

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I would ask you to explain this:
It just so happens that TGF-beta is a chemotactic factor for the immune system, so it draws immune cells into the peripheral tissues.

but I would not understand it nor do I know enough to put it into any context or use it. I guess after being in these forums this long, and saw palmetto being the only treatment with any effect ive used i am unsure how to treat my hairloss. Theres are tons of naturals i have tried or would like to try, but saw palmetto is the only thing that helped my itch go away. Is propecia the way to go?
I have reason to believe propecia is a much more potent version of saw palmetto. I think they are similar in yet unknown ways.
 

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Green Tea extract has curcumin in it. It also has EGCG and many other good things in it. Broad spectrum is the best and cheapest way to go.

Claritin is very powerful. I'd like to apply it topically to my head, but I don't want my scalp getting dependent on it. I don't feel any itch, though, so maybe that is overkill. My scalp feels good. I think I'm an OK propecia responder, but a very strong Nizoral responder.
 

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Biogerontology. 2007 May 22; [Epub ahead of print] Links
The effects of tetrahydrocurcumin and green tea polyphenol on the
survival of male C57BL/6 mice.Kitani K, Osawa T, Yokozawa T.
National Institute for Longevity Sciences, 36-3, Gengo, Moriokacho,
Obu-shi, Aichi, 474-8522, Japan, kit...@nils.go.jp.


The effect of feeding of two different antioxidants,
tetrahydrocurcumin (TC) and green tea polyphenols (PPs) on the
survival of male C57BL/6 mice was examined. Mice that started to
receive diets containing TC (0.2%) at the age of 13 months had
significantly longer average life spans (days, mean +/- SD) than
control mice (797.6 +/- 151.2 vs.882 +/- 154.6, both n = 50, controls
vs. TC treated, plus 11.7%, P < 0.01). The 10% longest survival was
also significantly greater in TC-treated mice (plus 6.5%, P < 0.01).
In contrast, in mice that started to receive TC in their 19th month of
life, no significant difference from the control mice was found for
either the average life span or the 10% longest survival. In mice that
received water containing PPs (80 mg/l), the average life span was
also significantly longer than in the control mice (801 +/- 121.5 vs.
852.7 +/- 88.2, plus 6.4%, P <0> 0.05). The body weights of the TC (but not PP) fed mice, were
slightly (2-4%) but significantly (P < 0.05) lower than the values for
the corresponding ages in the control mice in the first six months of
treatment. Thereafter, the difference in average body weight between
the control and the TC-fed animals was totally lost. Although an
additional contribution of an unintended slight decrease in food
intake due to TC feeding (suspected due to the difference in body
weight) is not excluded, we suggest that the feeding of nutritional
antioxidants such as TC and PPs may have the potential to beneficially
modify the life spans of animals.


PMID: 17516143
 

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How Curcumin Helps Fight Cancer

Main Category: Biology / Biochemistry News
Article Date: 31 May 2007 - 10:00 PDT

* Cancer / Oncology

Scientists showed that curcumin, the main ingredient of the Indian herb turmeric, restores key immune cells that fight off cancer.

The immune system of patients with advanced cancer is significantly weakened, mostly because the main cells that fight off tumors either cannot proliferate anymore or have died off. Curcumin was previously shown to have anti-tumor activity but its effects on the immune system were unknown - until now.

Gaurisankar Sa and colleagues showed that curcumin boosts the immune system of tumor-bearing mice by restoring key immune cells called CD4 and CD8 T cells. The scientists also showed that curcumin increases the production of proteins that cause immune cells to proliferate and reduces the production of proteins that destroy immune cells.

Article: "Curcumin Prevents Tumor-Induced T Cell Apoptosis through Stat-5a-mediated Bcl-2 Induction" by Sankar Bhattacharyya, Debaprasad Mandal, Baisakhi Saha, Gouri Sankar Sen, Tanya Das, and Gaurisankar Sa


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