Complete Topical Regime?

[exstatic]

Ok Guys...

Just a quick run-down on my situation, Im 23 and over the past few years my hair has been thinning.. the last few weeks I have been getting a few comments about it, which means to me that its getting pretty bad, so it's time to do something about it!

I have been reading up over the past week or so on some regimes that may help, but mainly point to the big 3.. finasteride, minoxidil, nizoral.. only problem is, I cherish my sex life dearly, and even though it's a minorty that get sides on finasteride, i'm not willing to take that risk for some hair.. so I want to try some topicals and see how I go.

What do you guys recommend, I have already started on Nizoral to help my scalp, and some multvitamins for good health, but I need something for a DHT inhibtor.. such as revivogen\tricomin, and some minoxidil for regrowth.. - or could I skip the minoxidil all together and just give the rev\tri a run?

So What I am thinking is

- Nizoral
- Revivogen \ Tricomin
- minoxidil
- Multi-v's

If I can have some feedback, that doesnt promote the 'clinaclly proven proscar etc..' that would be great..

Just want a topical regime! (except for the multi-v's obviously)

Thanks in advance! :freaked:

 

[Radio]

The sexual side effects run at less than 2%, this includes everything from slightly watery ejaculate to testicular discomfort, those who do experience these side effects generally see them dissipate with continued use.

So if you are one of the two people in every one hundred who do get sexual side effects it may be as trivial as reduced semen volume for a couple of weeks, or in my case the occasional mild discomfort in one of my testicles that happened 6 or 7 times in the first month or so, I am not talking about testicular 'pain' here, I am talking about 3 or 4 seconds or a mild discomfort, not enough to make me put my beer down.

Finasteride will give you more chance of a decent head of hair in 5-10 years than everything on your list put together.

 

[KiLLuMiNaTi]

its more then 2% those statistics merk put out are tottal bullcrap i reckon it would be around 30 to 40% atleast with lowered libido

 

[exstatic]

I did mention in my above post that I dont want to take any type of finasteride/proscar etc.. I dont care if its only 2% thats are affected with sides, thats 2% more than my liking, and I'm not willing to risk it.. I like my sex life and current lobido too much

I'm one of those people that rarely even takes a panadol as I dont like drugs in my body.

I just want something that might help out in maintaining/growing my hair that I dont have to ingest...

So does anyone have any useful answers that dont include 'finasteride is the only way to go, even though you might have sore balls'..

Thanks.
ex

 

[lithebod]

Im on the Revivogen and spironolactone combo that HairLossTalk.com also uses and he says its maintained his hair for the last 6 years. Ive been on rev for close on a year (added spironolactone 6 months in) and I havent had any dramatic losses or gains either way which suits me fine (can see vellus hairline growth) I also use Nizoral 2% and Copper Peptides for regrowth (tricomin) and I find it makes a fairly hassle free topical regimen.

No reference to sore balls in my post I think you'll notice.

 

[mogadon]

exstatic, i am having a nightmare on finasteride, do not listen to radio, he has been churning this 2% sh@t for ages,he's like a broken record, finasteride is destroying my sex life,and im about to come off, and go all out topical get some spironolactone as well, the real sexual sides is probably, 2% dont get any problems,and 98% do !

but merc the wankers, put out the opposite. :evil:

 

[exstatic]

Thanks for some of the replies..

Ive almost settled on these topicals..

Sprio 2% - DHT Inhibit
Revivogen Serum, Shampoo and Conditioner - DHT Inhibit - slight growth
minoxidil 5 % - Growth
Nizoral - Good Scalp Health..

What does everyone think.. as a finasteride replacement?

Where would be the best place to buy most of these products?

Cheers
ex

 

[Radio]

I did mention in my above post that I dont want to take any type of finasteride/proscar etc.. I dont care if its only 2% thats are affected with sides, thats 2% more than my liking, and I'm not willing to risk it.. I like my sex life and current lobido too much

OK, but remember that these side effects (in the unlikely case that you get them) tend to disappear with continued use, so you may be trading 5 weeks of mildly altered ejaculate volume or a couple of months of lowered libido for a lifetime (or 5-10 years until new treatments become available) of walking round with creams and lotions in your hair.

Or you may be trading zero side effects (as is the case for the vast majority of people) for a lifetime (or 5-10 years until new treatments become available) of walking round with creams and lotions in your hair.

But if you are fixed on a topical route I would have to say Spironolactone would be your best option.

The ketoconazole in Nizoral also acts as a mild anti-androgen, so that will also help in fighting dihydrotestosterone.

You might also want to look into Proxiphen.

Good Luck.

 

[Radio]

its more then 2% those statistics merk put out are tottal bullcrap i reckon it would be around 30 to 40% atleast with lowered libido

The figures are from the FDA not from Merck, I am sure if Merck wrote its own figures they would have settled on 0%.

Your figure of 30 - 40 % is pure speculation with nothing to back it up with, this is the kind of self perpetuating post that will be seen by someone new to hair loss and repeated elsewhere as fact "hey some dude over on HairLossTalk.com says it's like 40%!"

 

[Radio]

exstatic, i am having a nightmare on finasteride, do not listen to radio, he has been churning this 2% sh@t for ages,he's like a broken record, finasteride is destroying my sex life,and im about to come off, and go all out topical get some spironolactone as well, the real sexual sides is probably, 2% dont get any problems,and 98% do !

but merc the wankers, put out the opposite. :evil:

Mogadon, sorry to hear you are having such a difficult time on finasteride, lowered libido in the majority of people suffering this side effect normally rights itself after a few weeks or months, it can often swing to a heightened libido first before your body settles as it eventually gets used to the drug.

It sounds like your problems cannot be that bad as you are complaining about how terrible finasteride is to take and yet you continue to take it ? (im about to come off)

As I have pointed out above Merck do not get to write their own trial data, it is done by an independent body called the FDA. Your figure of 98% side effects rates is obvioulsy worked out by reading posts by people having problems on hair loss forums, this will always give you a massivley high return of negative experiences.

Like I have also said, this is not unlike sitting in a doctors waiting room to gauge the health of the local populace, you will be almost guaranteed a result showing that everyone is unwell.

 

[Britannia]

Remember there are millions of people on Finasteride worldwide, with only a couple of hundred using this board. Taking into account that people using this board ARE HERE BECAUSE THEY NEED ADVISE ABOUT THEIR TREATMENTS then of course there will seem to be a higher peercentage of side effectees . If you interviewed everyone worldwide on Finasteride, you would get results close to 2%.

 

[mogadon]

i think i will readdress my last post a bit as it didnt come out how i would like, to be fair i believe that people should always try finasteride before dismissing it,i cannot understand not trying it,that is silly, as i believe it is the most proven and effective treatment to date,and the side effects do go back to normal when stopping, i admit i am gutted that it is caused me problems in the willy winkle department,because apart from that it was doing its job.

its just if someone has clearly stated that they dont want to take it, we should accept they have made a informed decision,and give them advice on the next best thing.

 

[exstatic]

Thanks mogadon, at least someone read my actual post.

Ive started on minoxidil, and some nizoral, also some hairassist (http://www.hairassist.com) shampoo and conditioner, also ordering some spironolactone in the next few days, will see how I go.

What would be great tho, is if someone was able to post a topic that was un related to finasteride, and get a repsonse that didnt shove finasteride down thier throat.. then these boards might actually be helpful to people who want to lead healthy sex lives.

 

[Radio]

What would be great tho, is if someone was able to post a topic that was un related to finasteride, and get a repsonse that didnt shove finasteride down thier throat.. then these boards might actually be helpful to people who want to lead healthy sex lives.

I appologise for giving my opinion, I did not shove finasteride down your throat, I simply pointed out that its reputation is distorted by the very nature of forums like this one, I then went on to recommend spironolactone, ketoconazole and Proxiphen (all topicals) and wish you good luck.

Sorry these boards were not helpful.

Tosser.

 

[exstatic]

Radio,

Thanks for being so nice to your board members, and considering thier requests in full.

I mentioned in every single one of my posts that I am not interested in finasteride, or oral regimes AT ALL, yet in every one of your posts you mentioned finasteride, trying to persuade me off a topical solution, an option which I am obviously not compfortable with.

My point being these boards can be significantly helpful, if you are willing to sift through the copious amount of posts that try and weign users off a route they wish for more information on.

I'll stick it out n these boards in the hope that some users accept that thier way is not always the only way people want to take.

Thanks for your useful input.

Tosser.

 

[Radio]

Thanks for being so nice to your board members, and considering thier requests in full.

Not sure what you mean here? If you are trying to be sarcastic, you may be a little off target, this is not my forum, these are not my board members, I am not a moderator, I was just trying to give you some input.

You specifically mentioned your aversion to finasteride was based on the fear that it would negatively impact on your sex life. In my first reply to you I thought it was worth pointing out that in the vast majority of users that fear was statistically unfounded. Many new to hair loss will not have this information to hand. My points were put in a non prescriptive manner.

In my second reply I accept that you are fixed on a topical route, I simply pointed out the trade off you are making with regard to convenience and then went on to recommend some topical hair loss treatments, as you requested, and wished you luck.

I would hardly call this 'trying to shove finasteride down your throat' in 'every one of my posts'.

I'll stick it out n these boards in the hope that some users accept that thier way is not always the only way people want to take.

You hold on those hopes, it gets rough in here sometimes, people telling you all sorts of things that might upset you, but just stick it out, you will be fine. I wish you many 'clean' threads in the future with, hopefully, nobody questioning your choices, or giving opinions that may upset you.


Radio.

 

[SE-freak]

Thanks for being so nice to your board members, and considering thier requests in full.

You are being a terrible prick.

This all thing is about info. Stop being ironic to people who are just trying to help you. Radio has nothing to gain from your gulping proscar or not, he merely sensed by your initial post that your fears regarding proscar are not in proportion to the statistical facts. He could have not given a f*** but he replied.

Start valuing info, as treating hairloss is mostly a matter of self-education.

 

[Britannia]

I also apologise for giving you my views on finasteride. As you rightly pointed out, if you want a healthy sex life you cant possibly start using finasteride because everyone who takes finasteride has massive side effects :roll:
Did it occur to you why finasteride is so well recommended? Or why myself and Radio wanted to put some of your fears about finasteride at ease? Its because finasteride is still the best, and one of olny 2 clinically proven treatments for male pattern baldness and side effects are very rare. I fully respect your wish for a topical only regeime, but if this is based on fears about finasteride that are unfounded then I feel obliged to at least give you some real hard facts about the true nature of finasteride and its sides.
Most people on this forum want to help and advise you. If they keep refering you back to finasteride it is for a good reason.

 

[exstatic]

Thanks for that and I do understand exactly where you are comming from, obviously most people who post on the board are people who are experiencing problems, and want some help/feedback, like the saying goes you can't tell how healthy a community is by walking into the doctors waiting room and counting how many people are waiting to get treated, because obviously they are all sick, and the healthy people are all out having fun!

My main issue was that I clearly stated I didn't want a response about finasteride, I have already fully researched it (not just on this board) and I still am not comfortable even with the minimal side effects no matter how low the ratio is , so I asked that I didnt want all the replies to my topic to be flooded with finasteride posts - but as I predicted and the same with lots of other posts on this board, it becomes inevtiable.

I think you just have to realise that some people just arent comfortable with taking certain medications, heck I dont even like taking cold and flu medicine!

Cheers.

 

[mogadon]

exstatic your regimen,now looks a solid one,very similar to the moderator.

good luck mate