Anybody for Kevis??

viperfish

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I really don't know why this product is not talked about more often. I went to their website and they seem to have completed many studies at Universities, etc across Europe that shows it's effectiveness. The product uses hyaluronic acid anyone heard of it??? It was also stated on the website that it has been around for 14 years and is a leading hairloss seller in Europe. However, in Europe you need a prescription to get the stuff and is sold through the Pifzer drug corporation. Anyone use this before?????It seems to have a lot more backing then most of the sh*t you come across.
 

HairlossTalk

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viperfish said:
I really don't know why this product is not talked about more often. I went to their website and they seem to have completed many studies at Universities, etc across Europe that shows it's effectiveness.
Everyone claims to have studies. You need to remember the whole picture. A study is useless unless its been published. Publishing means peer review and peer review means authenticity and legitimacy. Without publishing, a study is in my opinion, hard to trust.

viperfish said:
It was also stated on the website that it has been around for 14 years and is a leading hairloss seller in Europe.
Every site says quite a few things about themselves to make themselves look good. Doesn't mean much.

viperfish said:
is sold through the Pifzer drug corporation.
I wasn't aware that Pfizer sells it. Are you 100% sure, or did you just hear this somewhere... Remember, proof proof proof.

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kiwi1973

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why would a big company sell drugs for a little web site??????????????
 

Bryan

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I posted this on alt.baldspot almost exactly four years ago:

This is my fourteenth excerpt from "Alopecia: Unapproved Treatments or Indications", by Drs. Marty Sawaya and Jerry Shapiro.

"Kevis Hair Rejuvenation Program"

"Kevis is another OTC agent that is available to men and women with different hair loss problems from Androgenetic Alopecia to effluviums; it claims to bind and block the 5a-DHT receptor; which is the AR. It claims to be safe and effective for men and women of all ages, to be "cost-effeicient" and to prevent hair loss and make one's hair healthier than ever before. Kevis claims to "have an anti-falling-out effect" -- that is, seeing less hair shedding.

"While the claims seem a bit broad, the active ingredients are a composition of mucopolysaccharides and glycoproteins, associated with substances that favor their bioavailability. Kevis contains HUCP (hyaluronic acid); glyco-proteins; amino acids, which have a hydrating and anti-inflammatory action; thioglycoran -- a natural mucopolysaccharide acides; thurtyl nicotinate -- a cutaneous vasodilator, and sodium pantothenate and biotin. Studies claim to help women with postpartum effluviums, with other claims included for acne, wrinkles, lipodystrophies, dermosclerosis, Androgenetic Alopecia, hypertrichosis, and others.

"The claims on the mode of action of Kevis are difficult to comprehend as the literature states that it "blocks DHT" or "blocks the androgen receptor" by creating a cell-wall barrier to keep DHT out of the follicle.

"Studies on Kevis have been done in Europe. One study cites localization of "5a-DHT" in hair follicle by use of monoclonal antibodies, and it is not clear whether the researchers are assessing the enzyme 5a-R, the hormone DHT, or the androgen receptor. Their findings stated that "whatever" they localized, it was found in the dermal papilla. The dermal papilla is always mentioned as where most androgen-related factors are found; much of the older literature mentions this as the major site of control for hair follicle growth. Investigations in the last few years have, in fact, cited other important areas of the hair follicle involved in regulation of growth, such as the follicular stem cells in the "bulge" as well as the fact that many androgen-related factors, such as 5aR and AR, are also expressed in the outer root sheath of hair follicles, not just dermal papilla.

"Clinical testing of Kevis in a double-blind, placebo-controlled study indicated in the Kevis-treated group, after 90 days of treatment, that telogen hairs decreased by 16% versus 6% in the placebo group. There was no mention of anagen/telogen ratios. The 10% difference found in telogen hairs is of no significance as this can be due to error, hair cycling, and does not mention if these hairs that cycled out of telogen were stimu-latedback to anagen, as no anagen counts are given. Also, it was not clear what one of the endpoints (a "three-comb stroke" test) was, as this is not a standardized measurement for clinical trials in the United States or Canada.

"Importantly, the cost of Kevis should be of concern. When patients call the toll-free number to speak to a Kevis consultant, they are given information on the hair rejuvenation program, which can cost between $650.00 to $975.00 per year (U.S. dollars). This cost is for a 12-month supply, which is 216 vials (each vial contains 2 tablespoons of Kevis lotion to be applied topically to the scalp) and 8 bottles of shampoo. The $650 value is a nonrefundable package, and patients not satisfied cannot get their money back. For $900.00, patients can get the same 12-month supply but with a money-back guarantee. There is also the Extra Strength Kevis, a 25% stronger formulation that sells for $715.00 (nonrefundable plan) or $975.00 (refundable plan).

"The cost of this OTC product is much greater than what a patient would pay for an approved product like Propecia, or Extra Strength Rogaine (5%), which would cost $600.00 and $360.00, respectively, per year.

"Overall, it is uncertain whether there are any side effects with Kevis, but mention is made in one study that revealed an increase in pityriasis scaling and increase in pruritus. The main concern is "cost to efficacy" as no rigidly standardized double-blind studies have shown true increases in hair counts in studies over 12-month periods. Some of the above studies mentioned are for only 36 to 90 days, which may not be adequate testing time, as the miniaturization process takes multiple hair cycles to see a reversal in hair growth to a full anagen stage. These studies have been traditionally done over periods of 2, 3, 4, and even 5 years, such as was done when testing minoxidil by Pharmacia-Upjohn, and finasteride by Merck & Co. So, unless these agents adhere to such testing, their efficacy can be debated."

Bryan
 

viperfish

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Hey mod,

"The formula they developed and released is named Kevis® and is sold throughout Europe by Pfizer® Pharmaceuticals and throughout North and South America by Kevis Rejuvenation Programs, Inc. of Beverly Hills, California."
I copied and pasted that straight from the website. They also do post their clinical studies that have been published. To be honest I don't understand the details of all the stuff, but the studies can be checked out at http://www.kevis.com/clinstudies.asp. Thanks for all the info guys. I also talked to them by phone and they told me that they do not offer a money back guarentee because it has been throughly studied and proven to work in Europe and at surrounding universities and hospitals. No money back guarentee just like Propecia and Minoxidil.
 

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According to what I just read above, its not anywhere near proven to work. A 90 day trial with insignificant results is not proof. I don't believe there seems to be any data supporting this. Am I understanding correctly, Bryan?

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HairlossTalk

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I just got off the phone with Kevis. They completely blew me off. I told them that a 90 day study is insufficient time to establish the effectiveness of a hair loss product. The girl got pissed off and told me they were "accepted by the FDA as safe". I told her "That isnt FDA approval, thats the FDA saying you won't kill anyone". She got more angry and said that she was going to transfer me to someone who had more information on the data than she did.

A guy named "Sam" answered the phone. I asked who he was. He repeated "Sam". I said "Sam what do you do?" He said "Im the sales manager". I said "I thought I was going to be transferred to someone to talk about the studies?" He said "You know what? We have a lot of people on hold right now, and we're busy, Goodbye"

I said "You know what? Go to Google and type in Hair loss. See who is at the top. That site is going to put out a consumer alert about you and your product warning people away from it".

He goes "Good" and hung up.
 

George Costanza

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I said "You know what? Go to Google and type in Hair loss. See who is at the top. That site is going to put out a consumer alert about you and your product warning people away from it".


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viperfish

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Mod,
That was awsome let's get these bastards :D. I'm personally gonna call them up tomorrow and request some more info and see if they give me the same crap! I'll let you know!
 
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