Any One Ever Tried Prostaquinone??........

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i have read a lot of studies about its main component "thymoquinone" derived from a plant "nigilla sativa" It has numerous health benefits such as anti cancer, anti oxidant, anti inflammatory.The product decreases pgd2.
@InBeforeTheCure sorry if i am bothering you but there are about 660 research articles about nigilla sativa and its component thymoquinone. you should look in to it too.
it decreases pgd2 and pak-1. there is a study posted by someone regarding PAK-1 inhibition good for hair.
i also read that it increases NOGGIN which is good for hair. it also decreases androgen expression in prostate cancer cells.
 

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I have nigella sativa / black cumin seed oil, which I bought off amazon.

It tastes awful, not as bad as castor oil, but pretty bad. Castor oil is the most disgusting oil I've tried. Nigella Sativa might be halfway there.

Too bad I can't remember to take a tea spoon a day.
 

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I have nigella sativa / black cumin seed oil, which I bought off amazon.

It tastes awful, not as bad as castor oil, but pretty bad. Castor oil is the most disgusting oil I've tried. Nigella Sativa might be halfway there.

Too bad I can't remember to take a tea spoon a day.

yes it taste bad but "its a cure for all disease except death"

have you ever tried it topically, i mean " prostaquinone "
 

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Actually i am unable to get the product here in my country and there is no one selling "essential oil" of it either. cold press oil has a very small quantity of active component. now it seems like i have to get clevenger apparatus and extract essential oil by myself. this is my last resort because minoxidil is doing nothing for me, i am using it for 8 months now.
 

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What's the difference between cold-pressed and essential oil?
 

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Dunno about the active ingredient, but I've tried Nigella Sativa as a topical oil and orally for many many months and it did jackshit for my hair.

It was the first thing I tried to treat my hairloss. I can see you're arab, let me stop the dellusion that comes about "Habba Sawda" in the region as that's the reason why I tried it foolishly ten years ago. There is no such thing as 'the cure for all things' and The Prophet probably never talked about the oil, the accounts of him about it are more likely false. The only thing Nigella Sativa helped me with are my seasonal allergies.

I shall precise the oild I used was not cold pressed and was of the highest quality.
 

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What's the difference between cold-pressed and essential oil?

Cold-pressed: mechanical oil extraction normally performed by a hydraulic press;
Essential oil: steam distilled volatile hydrocarbons, not ''oils'' by strict definition (which can however be extracted from a range of other methods such as supercritical fluid extraction, solvent assisted extraction, etc...)

Two different things. Essential oil comprises only the volatile fraction of the plant matter, while mechanical extraction pulls out non-volatile compounds, and results in an overall very different end product.

It was about time for us to discuss this again, but not only. Fagron's latanoprost and prostaquinone duo have been out for a while now. You can get prescription and purchase from reliable compound pharmacies, or you can just buy online from shady ones. I'm actually considering to give this duo a chance, although we haven't had any good report. Almost no report at all. That's why I thought to propose this discussion. I've only read ''shedding'' reports for latanoprost on shitty beauty blogs.

We should scrutinize this. The recommendation is to use then separately from what I recall. So an experiment with this must involve some alternation, maybe one in the morning, the other at night. Maybe one today, the other tomorrow. I don't know. We need to think that in function of the pharmacodynamics and pharmacokinectics of those drugs.

Vag-blood stained kisses from your pet Tampon ;*
 

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Cold-pressed: mechanical oil extraction normally performed by a hydraulic press;
Essential oil: steam distilled volatile hydrocarbons, not ''oils'' by strict definition (which can however be extracted from a range of other methods such as supercritical fluid extraction, solvent assisted extraction, etc...)

Two different things. Essential oil comprises only the volatile fraction of the plant matter, while mechanical extraction pulls out non-volatile compounds, and results in an overall very different end product.

It was about time for us to discuss this again, but not only. Fagron's latanoprost and prostaquinone duo have been out for a while now. You can get prescription and purchase from reliable compound pharmacies, or you can just buy online from shady ones. I'm actually considering to give this duo a chance, although we haven't had any good report. Almost no report at all. That's why I thought to propose this discussion. I've only read ''shedding'' reports for latanoprost on shitty beauty blogs.

We should scrutinize this. The recommendation is to use then separately from what I recall. So an experiment with this must involve some alternation, maybe one in the morning, the other at night. Maybe one today, the other tomorrow. I don't know. We need to think that in function of the pharmacodynamics and pharmacokinectics of those drugs.

Vag-blood stained kisses from your pet Tampon ;*

Latanoprost ... what does that do? Is it proven?
 

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yes it taste bad but "its a cure for all disease except death"

have you ever tried it topically, i mean " prostaquinone "
 

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@tylerduren i am not kidding just look up for its benefits there are tons of research articles.

@David_MPN latanoprost is a pgf2a up regulator.

you know there is a study on NS essential oil for telogen effluvium there was improvement in 70% of patients.

@Swiss_Tampons the active components of NS is found in its volatile fraction. cold press oil has a very small amount of these components.
 

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In 06-04-2016 our dear @Desmond_84 posted the following on the BaldGhostTown:

Hi guys, I have an update that might interest everyone:

Blackseed extract also known as Nigella sativa, contains an active known as Tymoquinon, which exerts anti-oxidant and anti-inflammatory effects by inhibiting pro-inflammatory mediators, such as cyclooxygenase (COX) and prostaglandin D2.

Anyways, since Tymoquinon is a natural extract, it is readily available and will not undergo rigorous studies (10+ years of trials). However, in 2013 an Italian team made it up in a topical lotion and applied it to scalps suffering from Telogen effluvium and collected data over 6 months. The study is publicly available. Here's the link:

http://file.scirp.org/pdf/JCDSA_2013081513583870.pdf

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Results:
At 3 months, 90% of patients using NS solution demonstrated a significant increase in the number of hairs/cm2 in comparison to baseline (T0), while in the group of patients treated with placebo, only 30% of patients showed hair density increase.

In detail, nine out of ten patients belonging to the NS group showed an increase in hair number. Five of these patients reported a further increase at T6, while in four patients we observed a stabilization of the disease with a preservation of hair density also at follow-up. Results strongly differed from the placebo group, where six out of ten patients displayed severe hair loss at both T3 and T6, only three patients showed an improvement in hair density, and one patient showed a stabilization of the disease with the same hair density at T0 and T3

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There are photos and hair counts as well.

Anyways, the same company that makes Espumil foaming solution also manufactures Tymoquinon under the trade name Prostaquinon™, which your compounding pharmacy can prepare for you.

How to prepare if you can get your hands on it yourseld you ask?

Prostquinon™ 3 g
PEG-40 hydrogenated castor oil 12 g
Espumil™ qs 100 ml

Compounding instruction:
1.Calculate the quantity of each ingredient required for the prescription.
2.Accurately weigh or measure each ingredient.
3.Mix the Prostaquinon™ with PEG-40 hydrogenated castor oil. If required, gently heat the castor oil (using a water bath) until a liquid is formed.
4.Add approximately three quarters (75 ml) of the Espumil™ slowly to the Prostaquinon™ and PEG-40 hydrogenated castor oil solution and homogenize the solution.
5.Transfer the solution into a graduated cylinder, add qs Espumil™ to reach final volume (100 ml) and homogenize the solution.
Package in Fagron foam dispenser and label.

6.Refrigerate the final solution and it will last 3 months.

Cheers guys

- Des

Then he posted here:

No worries brother :)

I'm gonna add this to my regimen for a few months as well. See how it goes. Hope this fixes your Telogen Effluvium man. I'll be stoked if it did ;)

I would like to kindly summon our friend @Desmond_84 and ask for some feedback.

Cheers, Des !
 

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It is hard to find this as an "essential oil" because it has hardly any fragence as the market for oils is aromatherapy.

Also thymoquinone is n't soluble in water so I'm not sure how much you would extract via steam distillation. Probably the best method would be to get the raw black cumin seeds, crush them into a fine powder and leave to disolve in ethanol and then filter out the crap. You'ill still have the other stuff that is also disvolable in ethanol though but I'm guessing it would n't be too much an issue.
 

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It is hard to find this as an "essential oil" because it has hardly any fragence as the market for oils is aromatherapy.

Also thymoquinone is n't soluble in water so I'm not sure how much you would extract via steam distillation. Probably the best method would be to get the raw black cumin seeds, crush them into a fine powder and leave to disolve in ethanol and then filter out the crap. You'ill still have the other stuff that is also disvolable in ethanol though but I'm guessing it would n't be too much an issue.

You're making some confusions here, my robotic friend:

a) You're probably confounding the essential oil with the food-grade cold-pressed oil;

b) Water steam distillation is precisely used for extraction of water insoluble compounds. Otherwise you'd get an aqueous extract, not an essential oil, which isn't the case;

c) A range of other methods of extraction could yield a product of some thymoquinone. However, this absolutely isn't the proper way as thymoquinone is the most abundant substance in the volatile fraction. The best method is steam distillation followed by fractional distillation ( well, obviously there is much more refined methods such as supercritical fluid extraction, but I'm talking about standard practices.);

d) You can't guess the behavior of the ethanolic extract without acknowledging the interaction between the substances, and how this might, for example, affect the bioavailability / absorption;
 

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@Swiss_Tampons steam distillation yield enough thymoquinone.
i dont think desmond will reply. if you live in states why dont you give it a try.
 

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@Swiss_Tampons steam distillation yield enough thymoquinone.
i dont think desmond will reply. if you live in states why dont you give it a try.

That's what I'm telling to our robotic fella. @Desmond_84 was last seen here in Jan 26, 2017. I think he can gently give us poor creatures some feedback. I don't live in the USA, but Fagron's stuff is available here in Tamponlandia. I will give it a try, didn't do yet because I was a) waiting for some initial reports, hence my Des summoning, and b) I want to get prescription to buy from a top notch compounding pharmacy, as both thymoquinone and latanoprost are really expensive here in the Land of Tampons, so I won't buy from prescription-free shady online pharmacy.
 

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Also, @ahmad029 , it's worth noting that the pharmaceutical thymoquinone is the isolated substance, not an complex essential oil. I'm sure balding folks have already tried the D.I.Y. topical Nigella e.o., but I'm not aware of a single egg-head trying pure thymo.
 

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recently i have read some where that the essentail oil complex perform better than isolated Thymoquinone that was regarding antioxident activity AFAIK i think there is a synergy. well i have never saw anyone one using essential oil i tried to get my hands on it but no one is selling essential oil.
 

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@Swiss_Tampons
recently i have read some where that the essentail oil complex perform better than isolated Thymoquinone that was regarding antioxident activity AFAIK i think there is a synergy. well i have never saw anyone one using essential oil i tried to get my hands on it but no one is selling essential oil.

Mmmmm....well man, if it was regarding antioxidant activity I wouldn't take it in account because the proposed mechanism of action of thymoquinone for hair loss refers to a different path. Not saying that antioxidant activity is not deserved in the context of an agonizing scalp, just clearing things up. You shouldn't have difficulties finding the essential oil if you want to give it a try. Isn't there any turkish grocery or importer near you? Any online store that sells that?
 
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