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I was watching a documentary tonight about Alfred Hitchcock and most of the main people in Hollywood and also his friends and other important people were throwing words around like "incredible" and "revolutionary" and "genius" and pouring out some of the highest praise I've ever heard and it made me realize something.

It made me realize that you should not let hair loss define you or your life. When Hitchcock lost his hair (he lost it all in his early twenties) he didn't sink into self-deprecation and say "Oh well I've lost my hair, that's it, life is over." He still pursued his passion and found fame and fortune, got married to a woman he loved and lived a great life that anyone would love to live.

My point is, don't let hair loss define you. You can still go down in history, and maybe get knighted, like he did.
 

Austin:316

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I truly and wholly believe that there is someone for everyone. I believe there is someone for you and for the next person and the next person. And when you find her you will have all the amazing sexual experiences together that you can think up. She might not be a supermodel, but not every guy scores one of those.
 

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I truly and wholly believe that there is someone for everyone. I believe there is someone for you and for the next person and the next person. And when you find her you will have all the amazing sexual experiences together that you can think up. She might not be a supermodel, but not every guy scores one of those.

That's not reality. Plenty of people die alone, much less find their "soul mate". It happens in nature and with humans. The sooner you get rid of this delusion the better you can deal with the harshness of reality.

By the way, there's nothing wrong with being alone. I think marriage and relationships are overrated. But I'm talking about sex. I don't want to be seen as a non-sexual creature.
 

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That's not reality. Plenty of people die alone, much less find their "soul mate". It happens in nature and with humans. The sooner you get rid of this delusion the better you can deal with the harshness of reality.

By the way, there's nothing wrong with being alone. I think marriage and relationships are overrated. But I'm talking about sex. I don't want to be seen as a non-sexual creature.

I don't see it as delusional to believe that there is someone for everyone. I know plenty of people die alone, probably because they wallow in self pity and shelter themselves from life. Reality is whatever you make it. You can't choose your fate but you can decide your destiny.

There is a saying that there is always work for the person who is willing to look for it. I think sex is the same. Don't be afraid to talk to girls and ask them out. When a girl gets asked out it makes her day, no matter who it is who asked. If you ask a hundred girls out and get a hundred rejections then change your strategy, but I bet you won't get a hundred rejections. I bet you won't get 50, provided you're not punching too much above your weight.
 

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I don't see it as delusional to believe that there is someone for everyone. I know plenty of people die alone, probably because they wallow in self pity and shelter themselves from life. Reality is whatever you make it. You can't choose your fate but you can decide your destiny.

There is a saying that there is always work for the person who is willing to look for it. I think sex is the same. Don't be afraid to talk to girls and ask them out. When a girl gets asked out it makes her day, no matter who it is who asked. If you ask a hundred girls out and get a hundred rejections then change your strategy, but I bet you won't get a hundred rejections. I bet you won't get 50, provided you're not punching too much above your weight.

I already know how to talk to girls. That's not the point. if you are a fat short balding man, it doesn't matter how much you "try", you will get rejected every time. The only way to overcome it is to get good "game" but even that will be a small ray of hope- you're still getting rejected way more than good looking guys.

Your appearance matters, especially now more than ever. Your "punching too much above your weight" comment is telling, but even that is wrong. Women always want men more attractive then them. You can't even punch AT your weight nowadays and expect a good rate of success. You must be seen as ABOVE AVERAGE even to average women.

I mean ****, if you wanted to get sex you could just pay for it. That's not my point. My point is not having hair or being balding is a handicap, a subtraction for how people see you and the self-esteem feedback loop about how you view yourself.

Also there simply is not "someone for everyone". It's a complete lie. People don't die alone from "self-pity" they die alone because nobody wanted them. They usually believed in the "someone for everyone" lie for years and never improved themselves and thought someone would "love them for them".
 

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I already know how to talk to girls. That's not the point. if you are a fat short balding man, it doesn't matter how much you "try", you will get rejected every time. The only way to overcome it is to get good "game" but even that will be a small ray of hope- you're still getting rejected way more than good looking guys.

Your appearance matters, especially now more than ever. Your "punching too much above your weight" comment is telling, but even that is wrong. Women always want men more attractive then them. You can't even punch AT your weight nowadays and expect a good rate of success. You must be seen as ABOVE AVERAGE even to average women.

I mean ****, if you wanted to get sex you could just pay for it. That's not my point. My point is not having hair or being balding is a handicap, a subtraction for how people see you and the self-esteem feedback loop about how you view yourself.

Also there simply is not "someone for everyone". It's a complete lie. People don't die alone from "self-pity" they die alone because nobody wanted them. They usually believed in the "someone for everyone" lie for years and never improved themselves and thought someone would "love them for them".

I'm going to pick apart your post like a vulture picks apart the corpse of a chicken.

"If you are a fat short balding man, you will get rejected every time."
—Being bald is not a choice, but being fat is, so change it.

"You're still getting rejected way more than good looking guys."
—And Manchester United win way more matches than Barnsley but Barnsley still win every once in a while.

"Your punching too much above your weight comment is wrong. Women always want men more attractive then them. You must be seen as ABOVE AVERAGE even to average women"
—Girls may only want to get with guys who are better looking than them, just as guys do, but that's not always what they get. If you think girls only ever get with guys who are better looking than them go out and look around and you'll be surprised at what you see. Some girls find guys attractive who other girls don't find attractive. And I believe a person's personality plays a big part in their level of physical attractiveness.

"My point is not having hair or being balding is a handicap, a subtraction for how people see you and the self-esteem feedback loop about how you view yourself."
—Being bald or balding might be a handicap but racehorses that run off handicaps still sometimes win if the track conditions are in their favor or if the other unhandicapped horses run badly. And don't let your self esteem rely on how others view you. Love yourself. And if you don't love yourself become a person you would love. When you love yourself everything else falls into place.

"There simply is not "someone for everyone". It's a complete lie."
—Some people believe in Mohammad and others believe in Jesus. The Muslims think the Christians believe in a lie and the Christians think the Muslims believe in a lie. We believe different things.

"People don't die alone from "self-pity" they die alone because nobody wanted them. They usually believed in the "someone for everyone" lie for years and never improved themselves and thought someone would "love them for them".`
—Nobody loved them because they didn't love themselves. If we see a person who doesn't love them self we instinctively think "Well if they don't love them self they must not be worth loving, because if anyone knows if they are worth loving or not it is them." And I wonder if those people who died alone really put themselves out into the world and took chances and gave themselves the best chance of finding someone, or did they recluse themselves because of their lack of self worth.

So, to sum up, as the Chinese proverb says, "Laugh and the world laughs with you. Weep and you weep alone." Love yourself, go out into the world, take chances, because you won't love yourself if you don't take chances.
 

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—Being bald is not a choice, but being fat is, so change it.

You missed the point completely. Women don't care if it's a choice, they find both (and shortness) less attractive.

—And Manchester United win way more matches than Barnsley but Barnsley still win every once in a while.

First off not everyone "wins". Plenty of people just lose forever And your response is kind of pointless. "Hey you're gonna be miserable man...whatever dude!" Not really helpful to guys in trouble.

—Girls may only want to get with guys who are better looking than them, just as guys do, but that's not always what they get. If you think girls only ever get with guys who are better looking than them go out and look around and you'll be surprised at what you see. Some girls find guys attractive who other girls don't find attractive. And I believe a person's personality plays a big part in their level of physical attractiveness.

They have sex with those guys but they can't get the guys to commit, so they settle on less attractive men. That's the point. What a cool consolation prize. If you're lucky, and wait, you too can be the guy she settles for even though she doesn't really find you physically attractive all that much...neat!

—Being bald or balding might be a handicap but racehorses that run off handicaps still sometimes win if the track conditions are in their favor or if the other unhandicapped horses run badly. And don't let your self esteem rely on how others view you. Love yourself. And if you don't love yourself become a person you would love. When you love yourself everything else falls into place.

Meanwhile in the real world, "loving yourself" is bull****. Image is like 90% of attraction, dude. Women don't give a **** when they're thinking with their vagina.

Some people believe in Mohammad and others believe in Jesus. The Muslims think the Christians believe in a lie and the Christians think the Muslims believe in a lie. We believe different things.

And both of them are wrong and believe in fairytales. Not really helping your argument.

—Nobody loved them because they didn't love themselves.

And here once again we have the "Just b urself" argument, which again, in reality, falls completely flat.

Get outside and meet people dude. These platitudes mean jack **** in the real world where appearance matters most.

So, to sum up, as the Chinese proverb says, "Laugh and the world laughs with you. Weep and you weep alone." Love yourself, go out into the world, take chances, because you won't love yourself if you don't take chances.

Go back to watching Eat Prey Love or whatever sappy **** world you're stuck in. Nobody gives a **** about your platitudes. If any of the dumb **** you said was true, this website wouldn't exist and you wouldn't be here, we'd all just be balding and get on with our day.
 

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You basically went through each point I made and just said the opposite without making any sensible point and threw insults in. You''re completely full of hatred and more negative than an undeveloped reel of film. You've clearly got some issues with the world and with yourself and to be absolutely honest with you I think you should see a counselor.
 

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You basically went through each point I made and just said the opposite without making any sensible point and threw insults in. You''re completely full of hatred and more negative than an undeveloped reel of film. You've clearly got some issues with the world and with yourself and to be absolutely honest with you I think you should see a counselor.

Sure dude, I'm full of "hatred" because I told you the truth. Continue to browse this hairloss forum looking for hairloss advice while simultaneously telling us that it's the inside that counts and that there is "someone 4 everyone".

If you believed your own BS you wouldn't be here.
 

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Look dude, we are all on the same team. A debate becomes an argument when insults come into it. I would have been happy to debate with you till the cows came home, but when you start bringing insults into it, especially when I was trying to help, I've no time for that.
 

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Indeed, when a debate turns into an argument, nobody is going to get anywhere. I understand the points you're making Austin, but the truth is that to adopt the mentality that you are putting forward, is a lot easier said than done. Baldness is a big "social handicap", and it is not at all easy for a bald guy to walk around with the same level of confidence and optimism that he had as a NW1 or NW2. The truth is that women do not find baldness attractive. It greatly reduces a man's chances in the world of dating. Even other guys are less likely, often on a subconscious level, to be as disposed and friendly towards a bald or balding guy. Studies even show that babies instinctively show more interest in and prefer the company of attractive people. Appearance matters so much nowadays in many different areas of life. It is true that a bald(ing) guy can try to be as perfect as possible in aspects of himself other than his hair, but it will still be really hard, if not unreachable, to fully compensate for his lack of hair. I don't agree with all of big_head's points, but I can completely understand why he is feeling the way he is. Baldness at a young age is a very traumatic thing to go through, and it makes a lot of areas of your life significantly more challenging and difficult. It is often hard for a bald(ing) guy not to resent the world and feel utterly hopeless due to this cruel affliction that nature has cast upon him.

In my case, I was very proactive in fighting my hair loss aggressively at a very early stage to prevent myself from following in the footsteps of my bald father. I am now a NW2 with good density. I urge all other guys who are beginning to lose their hair to be as proactive as they can, because if you catch your hair loss early and use an effective regimen (i.e. one that includes Finasteride or Dutasteride), you can save yourself from the potentially huge trauma of losing your hair, which when it occurs at a young age, can be especially psychologically crippling.
 

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Rudolphus, I commend you for being the voice of reason. And I agree that hair loss is a severely cruel affliction—probably one of the cruelest of all afflictions, especially at a young age. It would be an easier cross to bear at an older age, but at a young age, when we believe appearance is crucial, it can be a spirit-shattering struggle. I would not be able to understand if everyone who suffers hair loss was not extremely bitter and angry about it. Hair is a major part of our identity and having it cruelly ripped away from us is a serious test in humility. And the only people who who truly understand how devastating it is are the ones who suffer from it.

As devastating as it is, I don't believe it should be a cause to abandon all hope of ever living a happy life. But if someone really feels that they need hair to be happy, then they should take action. If your hair loss is in it's early stages fight it. And if it is too far along to be fought through medications, and if you really can't bring yourself to get out of bed because of your lack of hair, get a hair piece, which I believe is no more stigmatic or shameful than someone getting a dental implant if they lose a tooth. Have hope. If what the hair loss experts in the medical field say is true there are better and more effective treatments on the way.

I believe the most effective treatment is obtaining the right mindset. The measure of a man is determined by how he copes in the face of adversity. And few things are more adverse than hair loss. It's harsh, it's a struggle, it sucks, but it's not the first word on anything, and it's definitely not the last. It shouldn't stop you from achieving what you wanted to achieve since you were a kid. And as I said medicine is advancing faster than ever and cures are coming along for different diseases daily, and there is presently great work being done in the hair loss field, so glean hope from that at least.
 
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