A post copy from alt.baldspot: Why I stopped Proscar--Again
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I have noticed increased oil and acne too and I am confident that I can attribute this to Propecia.
It seems I have been losing more hair, diffuse thinning, and I am just about to complete my second month. Certainly I am not impressed by my increased shedding and diffuse thinning.
It is claimed however that this is a key indicator that the treatment is working, as existing hairs need to shed themselves in order for the follicle to re-set its "state".
I'd like to believe this, of course only time will tell as I am on the end of my second (2nd) month.
What is it about the spironolactone that is giving you results with Propecia?
It seems I have been losing more hair, diffuse thinning, and I am just about to complete my second month. Certainly I am not impressed by my increased shedding and diffuse thinning.
It is claimed however that this is a key indicator that the treatment is working, as existing hairs need to shed themselves in order for the follicle to re-set its "state".
I'd like to believe this, of course only time will tell as I am on the end of my second (2nd) month.
What is it about the spironolactone that is giving you results with Propecia?
You are still in your 2nd month of Propecia, I think patient is still needed.
People say at least need to give a treatment 6-12 months before you can judge the result. I agree.
However, after 5-6 months, if you are still shedding badly and have no sign of endding, you might need to consider something. Because as Dr. P believes, sometime Propecia may cause enough reflex hyper-androgencity that can have an negetive effect on hair loss.
If you are having hyper-andro now, it doesn't matter that much! but I think if it *never* goes away after 5-6 months, and your situtation not improved at all, you might need to start to think about if the shed is induced early shedding(which is good) or hyper-andro shedding(which is not so good...)
also check this post:
http://www.hairlosstalk.com/discussions ... hp?t=27063
People say at least need to give a treatment 6-12 months before you can judge the result. I agree.
However, after 5-6 months, if you are still shedding badly and have no sign of endding, you might need to consider something. Because as Dr. P believes, sometime Propecia may cause enough reflex hyper-androgencity that can have an negetive effect on hair loss.
If you are having hyper-andro now, it doesn't matter that much! but I think if it *never* goes away after 5-6 months, and your situtation not improved at all, you might need to start to think about if the shed is induced early shedding(which is good) or hyper-andro shedding(which is not so good...)
also check this post:
http://www.hairlosstalk.com/discussions ... hp?t=27063
Johnny24601
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Where to begin?
1.) Proscar is 5 mg finasteride. For hairloss one should take 1 mg finasteride.
2.) Everyone on this site with any knowledge of finasteride tells people to use finasteride (st 1 mg) for a year before concluding anything.
3.) There is no scientific evidence or any clear evidence on this site that finasteride can make your hair worse. There are countless examples of people experiencing shedding periods while on finasteride (like me). The exact reason for this is unknown but most agree it has to do with the follicles adjusting to life without (or perhaps less) DHT interaction.
4.) At 32 years old, I would assume you have the wisdom to properly research any medication you are taking before jumping to conclusions or posting in a panic. You have not done this and provide a poor example to others. Harsh words, perhaps, but these sort of posts must be mitigated.
Where to begin?
1.) Proscar is 5 mg finasteride. For hairloss one should take 1 mg finasteride.
2.) Everyone on this site with any knowledge of finasteride tells people to use finasteride (st 1 mg) for a year before concluding anything.
3.) There is no scientific evidence or any clear evidence on this site that finasteride can make your hair worse. There are countless examples of people experiencing shedding periods while on finasteride (like me). The exact reason for this is unknown but most agree it has to do with the follicles adjusting to life without (or perhaps less) DHT interaction.
4.) At 32 years old, I would assume you have the wisdom to properly research any medication you are taking before jumping to conclusions or posting in a panic. You have not done this and provide a poor example to others. Harsh words, perhaps, but these sort of posts must be mitigated.
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Hi I understand your point. I'm sorry if I scared anyone.
I know I have not study back on my hand, and maybe this claim scared somebody to have patient on finasteride. I'm sorry on this.
It is just in my opinon that hyper-andro can be an indicator of bad reaction to this drug, and to be honest, I have never saw some one have success on finasteride with lasting hyper-andro.
You are right: There is no scientific evidence or any clear evidence on this site that finasteride can make your hair worse. BUT ... oh I won't dig into it publicly anymore as it indeed may scare someone. but someone can understand my point I believe.
My advise to everyone: you may well ignore my theory if you ain't a long time user not seeing results. Maybe you can only start to think about this if only you continue to react to finasteride badly AFTER at least 6-9 months. Bad reaction means *conitinued* *increased* shedding.
By the way, I'm not the author of the posts I copied. I'm 24, take finasteride for almost 6 months (still taking asof today) but havn't convinced to have luck on it right now. I'm starting to think about alternatives.
And another reason made me to think about this problem is the post I quote below, which I think was a frank suggestion to a 4-month user of finasteride, from a much longer time user.
Once again, for finasteride newer, please don't be scared by my post. Hyper-andro or not, I think is reasonable to give finasteride ENOUGH time to see if it works!
It's absolutly right, as Johny pointed out:
Wish everyone have success on finasteride!
Hi I understand your point. I'm sorry if I scared anyone.
I know I have not study back on my hand, and maybe this claim scared somebody to have patient on finasteride. I'm sorry on this.
It is just in my opinon that hyper-andro can be an indicator of bad reaction to this drug, and to be honest, I have never saw some one have success on finasteride with lasting hyper-andro.
You are right: There is no scientific evidence or any clear evidence on this site that finasteride can make your hair worse. BUT ... oh I won't dig into it publicly anymore as it indeed may scare someone. but someone can understand my point I believe.
My advise to everyone: you may well ignore my theory if you ain't a long time user not seeing results. Maybe you can only start to think about this if only you continue to react to finasteride badly AFTER at least 6-9 months. Bad reaction means *conitinued* *increased* shedding.
By the way, I'm not the author of the posts I copied. I'm 24, take finasteride for almost 6 months (still taking asof today) but havn't convinced to have luck on it right now. I'm starting to think about alternatives.
And another reason made me to think about this problem is the post I quote below, which I think was a frank suggestion to a 4-month user of finasteride, from a much longer time user.
Once again, for finasteride newer, please don't be scared by my post. Hyper-andro or not, I think is reasonable to give finasteride ENOUGH time to see if it works!
It's absolutly right, as Johny pointed out:
Wish everyone have success on finasteride!
Johnny24601
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This hyper-andro reaction is worth looking at but there needs to be photos, a number of examples and some sort of scientific back-up for it to be considered credible. The post that you have cut and paste involves a man who is not even taking the correct dosage, a clear indication that he does not truly understand the medication. He was taking either 5 times the dose or 2.5 times the dose so evaluating sides is pointless until he goes to 1 mg.
As far as results, I take all comments on results with a grain of salt unless there are photos. We all tend to take a negative approach when assessing our results. Also, most people begi ths medication thinking that they will have tons of regrowth and they do not understand that male pattern baldness is progressive and therefor, keeping what you have is a verypositive result. This is why photos are so important.
This hyper-andro reaction is worth looking at but there needs to be photos, a number of examples and some sort of scientific back-up for it to be considered credible. The post that you have cut and paste involves a man who is not even taking the correct dosage, a clear indication that he does not truly understand the medication. He was taking either 5 times the dose or 2.5 times the dose so evaluating sides is pointless until he goes to 1 mg.
As far as results, I take all comments on results with a grain of salt unless there are photos. We all tend to take a negative approach when assessing our results. Also, most people begi ths medication thinking that they will have tons of regrowth and they do not understand that male pattern baldness is progressive and therefor, keeping what you have is a verypositive result. This is why photos are so important.
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I think there may indeed be people who have atypical responses to finasteride. It's very possible, and happens with many drugs. Some people just react in really weird ways to certain drugs when compared to the "normal response." In cases like this I'd say hormone testing is really important (if you can afford it) because it could greatly help to understand what is really going on. For example, is your luteinizing hormone and follicle stimulating hormone high? That could indicate that the body is somehow sensing a lower androgen level and is trying to raise it. What are your androgen and estrogen levels, DHEA, and even cortisol (with sailva test). I would guess that people who respond oddly to finasteride like the above poster are probably having some hormonal feedback loop working against them.
Hi Johnny,
I agree with you, but still have two comments:
1)The author want to express the possible link between hyper-andro and finasteride effectivness. Look at the original post on google, there's one person replyed hime claiming having success with 5mg finasteride, and together with *hypo*-andro.
2)The author is not so subjective on treatment results even without photos: He noticed *good* results with minoxidil, and he noticed *good* results with topical spironolactone.
Hi Swami,
Yes, you are right. But it's a pity I didn't get my hormone leve checked before poping the pills. Now I don't know if it's meanful to check current hormone leve without knowing the baseline.
But looking at my fast growing bodyhairs, you know what I'm guessing about how my hormone levels have been changed.
I agree with you, but still have two comments:
1)The author want to express the possible link between hyper-andro and finasteride effectivness. Look at the original post on google, there's one person replyed hime claiming having success with 5mg finasteride, and together with *hypo*-andro.
2)The author is not so subjective on treatment results even without photos: He noticed *good* results with minoxidil, and he noticed *good* results with topical spironolactone.
Hi Swami,
Yes, you are right. But it's a pity I didn't get my hormone leve checked before poping the pills. Now I don't know if it's meanful to check current hormone leve without knowing the baseline.
But looking at my fast growing bodyhairs, you know what I'm guessing about how my hormone levels have been changed.