A Closer Look At: SHBG & Metabolic Clearance.

OverMachoGrande

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Ladies and Gentlemen this is The Big One!!!

Sex hormone binding globulin (S.H.B.G.) increases the bioactivity of androgens and estrogens and reduces their metabolic clearance or excretion, meaning; when androgens are stuck to S.H.B.G. not only are they still active, but also their bioactivity is prolonged! Remember, the stronger the androgens, the stronger they stick to S.H.B.G., which is stuck to the receptors. Also keep in mind that estrogens bind to S.H.B.G. a lot less than androgens and D.H.T. binds a lot more than testosterone!!



Lignans interfering with 5 alpha-dihydrotestosterone binding to human sex hormone-binding globulin.Schöttner M, Spiteller G, Gansser D.
Lehrstuhl für organische Chemie, Universität Bayreuth, Germany.

The natural lignans (-)-3,4-divanillyltetrahydrofuran (1), (-)-matairesinol (2), (-)-secoisolariciresinol (3), (+/-)-enterolactone (4), (+/-)-enterodiol (5), and nordihydroguaiaretic acid (NDGA) (6) reduce the binding of 3H-labeled 5 alpha-dihydrotestosterone (DHT) to human sex hormone-binding globulin (SHBG). (-)-3,4-Divanillyltetrahydrofuran (1) has the highest binding affinity (Ka = 3.2 +/- 1.7 x 10(6)M-1) of all lignans investigated so far; the reversibility of its binding and a double reciprocal plot suggest a competitive inhibition of the SHBG-DHT interaction. Increasing hydrophobity in the aliphatic part of the lignans (butane-1,4-diol-butanolide-tetrahydrofuran structures) leads to higher binding affinity. In the aromatic part, a 3-methoxy-4-hydroxy substitution pattern is most effective for binding to SHBG.

PMID: 9461660 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]


The post above claims that lignans interfere with D.H.T. binding onto S.H.B.G. meaning; D.H.T. is then excreted via the metabolic clearance. So the more testosterone is stuck onto S.H.B.G. and the less D.H.T. that is stuck to S.H.B.G. would be ideal...right, because S.H.B.G. would be prolonging the effects of testosterone and not D.H.T.

Now I did read somewhere that when estradiol binds with S.H.B.G. it activates IGF-1...Could this not only be the cure to male pattern baldness but also breast and prostate cancer?!

So an increase of testosterone attached to S.H.B.G. and a reduction of both estradiol and D.H.T. attached to S.H.B.G. would be ideal. Flax seeds and major lifestyle changes would be a huge step in the right direction.
 

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misterE said:
So an increase of testosterone attached to S.H.B.G. and a reduction of both estradiol and D.H.T. attached to S.H.B.G. would be ideal. Flax seeds and major lifestyle changes would be a huge step in the right direction.

What would this "change of lifestyle" ? More sex ?
 

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dpdr said:
misterE said:
So an increase of testosterone attached to S.H.B.G. and a reduction of both estradiol and D.H.T. attached to S.H.B.G. would be ideal. Flax seeds and major lifestyle changes would be a huge step in the right direction.

What would this "change of lifestyle" ? More sex ?

Mostly diet and exercise.
 

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It's an interesting read, but what does that mean on a daily life level? Yes, exercise on diet should help. But can anyone provide some more specific advice?
 

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Doesnt SHBG render whatever hormone binds to it as 'useless' for all intents and purposes? I thought it sort of deactivates the hormones, no?
 

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A Closer Look At: S.H.B.G./Metabolic Clearance.

barcafan said:
Doesnt SHBG render whatever hormone binds to it as 'useless' for all intents and purposes? I thought it sort of deactivates the hormones, no?

No, I always thought that too, but this proves otherwise! S.H.B.G. prevents their metabolic clearance.
 

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Interesting read. Thanks E.
 

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misterE said:
Sex hormone binding globulin (S.H.B.G.) increases the bioactivity of androgens and estrogens and reduces their metabolic clearance or excretion...

Where did you get THAT idea?

misterE said:
...meaning; when androgens are stuck to S.H.B.G. not only are they still active, but also their bioactivity is prolonged!

Again I ask you: where did you get THAT idea? :)

misterE said:
The post above claims that lignans interfere with D.H.T. binding onto S.H.B.G. meaning; D.H.T. is then excreted via the metabolic clearance.

What do you think happens to DHT that _is_ bound to SHBG? :)

misterE said:
So the more testosterone is stuck onto S.H.B.G. and the less D.H.T. that is stuck to S.H.B.G. would be ideal...right, because S.H.B.G. would be prolonging the effects of testosterone and not D.H.T.

You don't have any idea what you're talking about.
 

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Sorry to interrupt boys but...

*Hands E a flame shield*

Carry on.
 

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very interesting, MisterE. Keep 'em coming.
 

barcafan

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misterE said:
barcafan said:
Doesnt SHBG render whatever hormone binds to it as 'useless' for all intents and purposes? I thought it sort of deactivates the hormones, no?

No, I always thought that too, but this proves otherwise! S.H.B.G. prevents their metabolic clearance.

So what if it prevents their metabolic clearance? IS the testosterone that's bound to SHBG *available* for use by our bodies? or is it an inactive form that just takes a long time to clear.
 

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Axl_Rose said:
Sorry to interrupt boys but...

*Hands E a flame shield*

He's going to need more than that. He's probably going to need asbestos underwear! :)

Throughout the time misterE has been posting on this site, he's been making unsubstantiated claims, and sometimes they've been real whoppers. What he's said in this thread right here is probably the most egregious of them all, and I'm going to make him explain where he got this idea that SHBG supposedly "increases the bioactivity" of androgens and estrogens.
 

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barcafan said:
misterE said:
barcafan said:
Doesnt SHBG render whatever hormone binds to it as 'useless' for all intents and purposes? I thought it sort of deactivates the hormones, no?

No, I always thought that too, but this proves otherwise! S.H.B.G. prevents their metabolic clearance.

So what if it prevents their metabolic clearance? IS the testosterone that's bound to SHBG *available* for use by our bodies? or is it an inactive form that just takes a long time to clear.

Yes, the testosterone that is bound to S.H.B.G. is available for the body...but remember that S.H.B.G. attaches itself to D.H.T. the most, meaning it prolongs D.H.T.'s effect more than testosterone! In other words, D.H.T. stays in your body for longer than testosterone, due to the binding affinity!
 

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misterE said:
Yes, the testosterone that is bound to S.H.B.G. is available for the body...but remember that S.H.B.G. attaches itself to D.H.T. the most, meaning it prolongs D.H.T.'s effect more than testosterone! In other words, D.H.T. stays in your body for longer than testosterone, due to the binding affinity!


Well then you better alert all the labs since you just destroyed their whole concept of free/Bioavailable testosterone
 

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barcafan said:
Well then you better alert all the labs since you just destroyed their whole concept of free/Bioavailable testosterone

Yeah, not to mention thousands of medical reference books and textbooks (just for one example, he should read the lengthy chapter on androgens in "Goodman and Gilman's The Pharmacological Basis of Therapeutics"...he might actually learn something).

Now that I've embarrassed him by asking him direct questions about what he said, is he going to answer those questions? Probably not...
 

OverMachoGrande

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Bryan said:
Where did you get THAT idea?

From researching S.H.B.G. and it's effects on metabolic clearance.

Bryan said:
What do you think happens to DHT that _is_ bound to SHBG?

They stay connected together...The stronger the androgen, the stronger it binds with S.H.B.G.

Now here's a question for you

If S.H.B.G. "deactivates" hormones, then why are androgens being blamed for hair loss since S.H.B.G. binds androgens more than estrogens?
 

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misterE said:
Bryan said:
Where did you get THAT idea?

From researching S.H.B.G. and it's effects on metabolic clearance.

Reference or citation, please.

misterE said:
Now here's a question for you

If S.H.B.G. "deactivates" hormones, then why are androgens being blamed for hair loss since S.H.B.G. binds androgens more than estrogens?

Because not all androgens are bound by SHBG. The ones that aren't are the ones that cause balding.
 
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