You are being lied to about pirates

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February 4, 2009

You are being lied to about pirates
by Johann Hari


Somali pirate ?ships? are small, but the ships they seize are huge. They held one gigantic tanker for months until ransom was paid. Who imagined that in 2009, the world?s governments would be declaring a new War on Pirates? As you read this, the British Royal Navy - backed by the ships of more than two dozen nations, from the U.S. to China - is sailing into Somalian waters to take on men we still picture as parrot-on-the-shoulder pantomime villains. They will soon be fighting Somalian ships and even chasing the pirates onto land, into one of the most broken countries on earth.

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In 1991, the government of Somalia - in the Horn of Africa - collapsed. Its 9 million people have been teetering on starvation ever since - and many of the ugliest forces in the Western world have seen this as a great opportunity to steal the country?s food supply and dump our nuclear waste in their seas.


Yes: nuclear waste. As soon as the government was gone, mysterious European ships started appearing off the coast of Somalia, dumping vast barrels into the ocean. The coastal population began to sicken. At first they suffered strange rashes, nausea and malformed babies. Then, after the 2005 tsunami, hundreds of the dumped and leaking barrels washed up on shore. People began to suffer from radiation sickness, and more than 300 died.

Ahmedou Ould-Abdallah, the U.N. envoy to Somalia, tells me: ?Somebody is dumping nuclear material here. There is also lead and heavy metals such as cadmium and mercury - you name it.? Much of it can be traced back to European hospitals and factories, who seem to be passing it on to the Italian mafia to ?dispose? of cheaply. When I asked Ould-Abdallah what European governments were doing about it, he said with a sigh: ?Nothing. There has been no cleanup, no compensation and no prevention.?

At the same time, other European ships have been looting Somalia?s seas of their greatest resource: seafood. We have destroyed our own fish stocks by over-exploitation - and now we have moved on to theirs. More than $300 million worth of tuna, shrimp, lobster and other sea life is being stolen every year by vast trawlers illegally sailing into Somalia?s unprotected seas.

The local fishermen have suddenly lost their livelihoods, and they are starving. Mohammed Hussein, a fisherman in the town of Marka 100km south of Mogadishu, told Reuters: ?If nothing is done, there soon won?t be much fish left in our coastal waters.?


This is the context in which the men we are calling ?pirates? have emerged. Everyone agrees they were ordinary Somalian fishermen who at first took speedboats to try to dissuade the dumpers and trawlers, or at least wage a ?tax? on them. They call themselves the Volunteer Coast Guard of Somalia - and it?s not hard to see why.

In a surreal telephone interview, one of the pirate leaders, Sugule Ali, said their motive was ?to stop illegal fishing and dumping in our waters ? We don?t consider ourselves sea bandits. We consider sea bandits [to be] those who illegally fish and dump in our seas and dump waste in our seas and carry weapons in our seas.? William Scott would understand those words.

No, this doesn?t make hostage-taking justifiable, and yes, some are clearly just gangsters - especially those who have held up World Food Program supplies. But the ?pirates? have the overwhelming support of the local population for a reason. The independent Somalian news site WardherNews conducted the best research we have into what ordinary Somalis are thinking - and it found 70 percent ?strongly supported the piracy as a form of national defense of the country?s territorial waters.?

One of the pirate leaders, Sugule Ali, said their motive was ?to stop illegal fishing and dumping in our waters ? We don?t consider ourselves sea bandits. We consider sea bandits [to be] those who illegally fish and dump in our seas and dump waste in our seas and carry weapons in our seas.?
During the revolutionary war in America, George Washington and America?s founding fathers paid pirates to protect America?s territorial waters, because they had no navy or coast guard of their own. Most Americans supported them. Is this so different?


Did we expect starving Somalians to stand passively on their beaches, paddling in our nuclear waste, and watch us snatch their fish to eat in restaurants in London and Paris and Rome? We didn?t act on those crimes - but when some of the fishermen responded by disrupting the transit corridor for 20 percent of the world?s oil supply, we begin to shriek about ?evil.? If we really want to deal with piracy, we need to stop its root cause - our crimes - before we send in the gunboats to root out Somalia?s criminals.


The story of the 2009 war on piracy was best summarized by another pirate, who lived and died in the fourth century BC. He was captured and brought to Alexander the Great, who demanded to know ?what he meant by keeping possession of the sea.? The pirate smiled and responded: ?What you mean by seizing the whole earth; but because I do it with a petty ship, I am called a robber, while you, who do it with a great fleet, are called emperor.?

Once again, our great imperial fleets sail in today - but who is the robber?

Johann Hari is a writer for the Independent newspaper. He has reported from Iraq, Israel/ Palestine, the Congo, the Central African Republic, Venezuela, Peru and the U.S., and his journalism has appeared in publications all over the world. To contact him, email johann@johannhari.com or visit his website at JohannHari.com. This column previously appeared in the Independent and Huffington Post, where the following postscript was added:

Postscript: Some commentators seem bemused by the fact that both toxic dumping and the theft of fish are happening in the same place - wouldn?t this make the fish contaminated? In fact, Somalia?s coastline is vast, stretching 3,300km (over 2,000 miles). Imagine how easy it would be - without any coast guard or army - to steal fish from Florida and dump nuclear waste on California, and you get the idea. These events are happening in different places but with the same horrible effect: death for the locals and stirred-up piracy. There?s no contradiction.
 

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The Gardener said:
There are always two sides to any story.

3 sides my friend.

Side A, Side B and side C which is the truth.

that was an excellent read and I agree with many points. I wouldn't say anyone is being lied to...there is just various points of view where most lack perspective.
 

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Oh man I was actually happy there were still pirates about.

Very enlightening article. I was wondering why the pirate phenomenon seemed to just pop out from no where. And the answer it seems is that it didn't. Very disappointed with the media.
 

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Many people in Chicago in the 1920's loved Al Capone also. :)

These guys are hostage taking scum who Obama said "take them out".

Good going Obama and Navy Seals!! :bravo:
 

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Old Baldy said:
These guys are hostage taking scum who Obama said "take them out".

Being a gun rights and protecting oneself at all costs fan like yourself OB you would do the exact same thing in their position. A shredded country that everyone is pillaging for what its worth.

Its an extremely complicated situation over there but why wouldn't the pirates do what they are doing?
 

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Dispite what CNN said, a top pentagon official said Obama ordered the Navy not to use force unless the situation became dire. When the pirates started yelling and put a gun to the captains head, the captain made a split second decision and told his SEALs to shoot the pirates. He had to wait til that point to do it, since he did not have permission before. The NAVY destroyer was there next to an orange life boat for 3 days because they did not have authorization to do anything. But maybe Obama knew about the fish theft and that was why he was going nice on them.
 

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Totally incorrect assessment of the situation. The Navy destroyer was NOT "there next to an orange life boat for 3 days because they did not have authorization to do anything." This lifeboat is NOT an open dinghy, it is a completely enclosed craft, the people inside the boat were not visible to snipers unless the people inside the boat opened their hatch. Here is a picture of an actual lifeboat from the Maersk Alabama:

Enclosed_lifeboat.jpg


The Navy couldn't do anything because they were unable to see inside the boat.

The KEY moment came when the seas started getting choppy, and the lifeboat's engines failed. The Navy had spent the past three days developing a rapport with the pirates, providing them with food and water, etc.. and they offered to take the lifeboat into tow and tow them to calmer waters.

This was CRITICAL because in taking the lifeboat into two, it FIXED the boat a mere 75 feet behind the destroyer... making the boat a more stable target and putting the boat WELL within range of the snipers positioned along the fantail of the destroyer. Apparently, conditions inside the lifeboat were deteriorating... there is no restroom in the lifeboat, and because the seas were choppy they had to keep their hatches closed.. and it was very hot outside, and sweltering inside the lifeboat.

Once brought into calm waters, the pirates opened the hatch. One of them got a little punchy and stood in the hatchway with an AK pointed at the captain. The three snipers waited for a moment when all three pirates revealed enough of their bodies through the hatch, and all three took shots at their designated targets.

Since you seem not to trust CNN, I'll post the story from Fox:

Interviewed from Bahrain, U.S. Naval Forces Central Command chief Vice Adm. Bill Gortney said the takedown happened shortly after sailors on the Bainbridge saw the hostage-takers "with their heads and shoulders exposed."

The official, asking not to be identified because he, too, was not authorized to discuss this on the record, said the pirates were "becoming increasingly agitated in the rough waters; they weren't getting what they wanted."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,514918,00.html

The timing had nothing to do with Washington... it had to do with waiting until they had a crafted a moment where they had a simultaneous shot at all three pirates.
 

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Cassin said:
Old Baldy said:
These guys are hostage taking scum who Obama said "take them out".

Being a gun rights and protecting oneself at all costs fan like yourself OB you would do the exact same thing in their position. A shredded country that everyone is pillaging for what its worth.

Its an extremely complicated situation over there but why wouldn't the pirates do what they are doing?

And if I got caught doing what those pirates did, I would expect to get shot.

If you didn't shoot me and felt all sorry for me, I'd think you were weak and an easy mark. Just like they have been doing for many years now.

Sorry, you steal and take innocent people hostage, you die in my book.

When I was poor and living in the cesspool known as Detroit I did not steal or take people hostage for gain. Nor did the VAST majority of the people living in that cesspool use crime as their way of "solving" their situation.

Sure their plight is dire. I sympathize with that but their remedy is unacceptable and must be dealt with harshly or they will continue doing it.

How in the world can you possibly condone their actions? Ridiculous.

Cassin: Please do not fall for that liberal bull crap. These are hardened criminals for the most part who are no better than mobsters IMHO.

Most of the mobsters in our country grew up poor also, no education, etc. So are you going to feel sorry for them when they run afoul of the law and get shot doing their criminal deeds?
 

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I am simply saying I see their side of of it to a degree and you would do whatever you could to protect your land as well.

A lot of nasty stuff is being done in their waters by people cruising through...don't be naive and think everyone is innocent.

All I am saying is I see both sides of it.
 

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Old Baldy said:
Most of the mobsters in our country grew up poor also, no education, etc. So are you going to feel sorry for them when they run afoul of the law and get shot doing their criminal deeds?

I don't feel sorry for anyone you're making assumptions.
 

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Cassin said:
I am simply saying I see their side of of it to a degree and you would do whatever you could to protect your land as well.

A lot of nasty stuff is being done in their waters by people cruising through...don't be naive and think everyone is innocent.

All I am saying is I see both sides of it.

Well, now that's alot different than condoning their actions.

Sure I feel bad for them being poor and desperate(sp?). Only a madman would feel nothing for pete's sake.

I want the plight of that country to improve. The UN should help them out if possible.

But you can't steal and take people hostage Cassin. That just can't be allowed IMHO.
 

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Cassin said:
Old Baldy said:
Most of the mobsters in our country grew up poor also, no education, etc. So are you going to feel sorry for them when they run afoul of the law and get shot doing their criminal deeds?

I don't feel sorry for anyone you're making assumptions.

I stand corrected!! :blush:
 

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Old Baldy said:
But you can't steal and take people hostage Cassin. That just can't be allowed for any reason that has to do with monetary reasons IMHO.

Its not a hostage if you're holding a criminal and asking for money to release him. Thats smart if you ask me... :innocent:

Now just someone cruising through innocently transporting goods respecting the Somali laws...thats different.
 

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Cassin said:
Old Baldy said:
But you can't steal and take people hostage Cassin. That just can't be allowed for any reason that has to do with monetary reasons IMHO.

Its not a hostage if you're holding a criminal and asking for money to release him. Thats smart if you ask me... :innocent:

Now just someone cruising through innocently transporting goods respecting the Somali laws...thats different.

Really, so if I was to have captured Al Capone and asked for money to release him rather than turn him into the police, that would be smart? Hmm....... seems like a criminal, selfish act to me.

(Assuming I would have survived capturing and holding Al Capone hostage!! A VERY doubtful assumption!! :shock: )
 

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Old Baldy said:
Really, so if I was to have captured Al Capone and asked for money to release him rather than turn him into the police, that would be smart? Hmm....... seems like a criminal, selfish act to me.

Who are they going to release these people to? Who is going to do anything?

Are they to call 911?
 

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OB, you are right in insisting that two wrongs don't make a right.

However, the problem of them not being compensated for the damages still exists. If no one listens to them and no one sues the greedy corporations who poisoned their waters, then what are the Somalis supposed to do?

You can't just blame it all on them and let the greedy corporate bastards get away with it.
 

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Old Baldy said:
http://english.people.com.cn/90001/90777/90855/6558322.html

they have a scrap wood podium and you somehow expect them to manage the seas?

look...again...if you lived on the coast you would do the same if the US government could't help. Isn't that why you exercise your right to bear arms?

I am not defending them as much as seeing their side...its not like they're detonating themselves in crowded areas full of innocents.
 
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