spironolactone, nizoral and Saw Palmetto as topicals! Working!

[rwhairlosstalk]

Hey I may have found a little mini break thru for me.

I normally shed around 70 hairs.
Well tried something new and only 22 shed hairs unk:

Almost 70% reduction in shed!

Less shed ='s more hair on my head and the hair that I have will be darker and thicker because less dht.

I intend to do every 3 days.

This is my first time trying so should decrease even further with time as my follicles are constantly exposed to this.

This is what I did.

1. Shampoo- with nizoral 2% (let sit 15 mins)
2. Condition- Added liquid Saw Palmetto to my conditioner (NO alcohol version, put all over scalp, sit 30+ mins)
3. Style - 200 mg spironolactone crushed in styling lotion (applied with nozzle to scalp)

This is the brand of liquid Saw Palmetto that I used

I'll keep you all updated with my shed count to see if this continues to lower it. I normally take anti androgen but this may let me reduce the amount and therefore, the sides.

 

[hairhoper]

I'm glad you think you're having success but please please take photos instead.

Hair count is no indication of success. People 'shed' hairs all the time, even without male pattern baldness.

 

[ripple-effect]

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Congrats on your progress rwhairlosstalk. This is believable success to me as topical saw palmetto has been shown to be more effective topically than internally. I've also heard a few success stories from people crushing spironolactone tabs and using it in their topicals.

 

[Rawtashk]

What's your sample size? 1 day? 3 days? 1 week? You need to have about a 3 month sample size to have relevant data.

 

[WillNotLetItHappen]

Isn't losing 70 hairs considered normal? :dunno:

 

[TheShopKeeper]

rwhairlosstalk, you say that you use SP extract topically every three days. Is that what you been doing so far to get reduced shedding?

I wonder if adding Saw Palmetto to minoxidil would be a good idea? I don't think its should be any harm in adding a few capsules to 60ml solution.

 

[85miles]

what conditioner are you using?

i just bought SP.. is it okay to use it with the revivogen serum or rogaine?

i used it today with the revivogen conditioner.. i got it with the shampoo, but i dont think its a great conditioner.. any other choices?

 

[ripple-effect]

85miles, why would you use it with Revivogen? Revivogen already contains Saw Palmetto...

 

[longhair1983]

I doubt the saw Palsetto in revivogen is as much as this product. Also Revivogen has a lot of other DHT blockers other than SP.

 

[TravisB]

Hmm so what is the percentage of saw palmetto in this liquid? Could it be that hight to actually do something to block DHT when applied topically?

 

[85miles]

@rippleeffect,

so i don't need to use SP topically?

 

[abcdefg]

How do you know which of those is actually doing anything? How does a 70 percent reduction in shedding equate to stopping or reducing male pattern baldness? Everyone sheds hairs and the amount could vary by the day depending on say how hard you rub your hair. The amount of hair you lose really means nothing if it all grows back so I dont know what that all even means. You need pictures or its just guess work no one can remember small gradual changes over the course of a year like how hair loss works.
I highly doubt its the saw palmetto that is doing anything. Its either the spironolactone or the nizoral which are much more proven. How much saw palmetto even gets absorbed and what ratio of alcohol to saw palmetto are you using?

 

[rwhairlosstalk]

What's your sample size? 1 day? 3 days? 1 week? You need to have about a 3 month sample size to have relevant data..

3 days. Wash every 3 days.

 

[rwhairlosstalk]

Isn't losing 70 hairs considered normal? :dunno:

I WAS losing 210 hairs before I started this

 

[rwhairlosstalk]

rwhairlosstalk, you say that you use SP extract topically every three days. Is that what you been doing so far to get reduced shedding?

I wonder if adding Saw Palmetto to minoxidil would be a good idea? I don't think its should be any harm in adding a few capsules to 60ml solution.

yes. This is what I do.

1. Shampoo- with nizoral 2% (let sit 15 mins)
2. Condition- Add liquid Saw Palmetto to my conditioner (NO alcohol version, put all over scalp, sit 30+ mins)
3. Style - 50 mg spironolactone crushed in styling lotion (applied with nozzle to scalp)

 

[rwhairlosstalk]

I'm glad you think you're having success but please please take photos instead.

Hair count is no indication of success. People 'shed' hairs all the time, even without male pattern baldness.

no photos as I'm reducing shed. That is my 1st goal.

 

[rwhairlosstalk]

what conditioner are you using?

i just bought SP.. is it okay to use it with the revivogen serum or rogaine?That is a great idea

i used is ay with the revivogen conditioner.. i got it with the shampoo, but i dont think its a great conditioner.. any other choices?

Anything that moisturizes..

 

[rwhairlosstalk]

How do you know which of those is actually doing anything? How does a 70 percent reduction in shedding equate to stopping or reducing male pattern baldness? Everyone sheds hairs and the amount could vary by the day depending on say how hard you rub your hair. The amount of hair you lose really means nothing if it all grows back so I dont know what that all even means. You need pictures or its just guess work no one can remember small gradual changes over the course of a year like how hair loss works.
I highllly doubt its the saw palmetto that is doing anything. Its either the spironolactone or the nizoral which are much more proven. How much saw palmetto even gets absorbed and what ratio of alcohol to saw palmetto are you using?

good grief. All i know is that its reducing my shed

 

[hairhoper]

Which doesn't mean anything when it comes to male pattern baldness.

This obsession some people have with 'shedding' is nuts, if I never heard that word on this forum again I'd be very happy.

If it's based on visual evidence, like IrishPride's photos then fine, I'd be happy to say Irish has gone through a 'shed'. But haircounts? Ridiculous.

The amount of hair that naturally falls from your head on each occasion you 'count' is dependent on loads of things, including how often you wash (or rub/comb) you hair! For all we know it changes with the seasons and the tides. Ask any girl with (normal) long thick hair how much hair they lose everyday!

Pay attention to the hair on your head and stop counting fallen hairs, it's a waste of time and in no way a measure of a product's efficacy.

 

[rwhairlosstalk]

How is hair shed/loss not significant?

Isn't this a HAIR - LOSS board?

I'm first trying to stop or reduce my the rate that hair falls out of my head. 200+ hairs a day is bad. 200+ hairs on a thin head of hair is atrocious.

Now if I can reduce the amount of dht or inflammation attacking my hair follicles to the point of less hair shedding, I've reduced my dht for hair fallout and hair thinning of strands still in my head.

My next goal would be futher dht and inflammation reduction where hair regrows.