This is incorrect information. Finasteride does in fact reduce the size of the prostate, even in a healthy individual with a normal prostate size. In fact it is is for this very reason that people on Proscar are advised to get a PSA test done prior to taking it, as the proscar can artificially reduce the PSA level by one or two points, thus rendering an inaccurate result. In a study published in the Journal of Urology. 162(4):1295-1300, October 1999 they demonstrated that finasteride 1mg decreased both the ejaculate volume, prostate size, and PSA test results in normal healthy men ages 19 to 41. Effects were reversed upon cessation of treatment for all men.trentender said:
This is also inaccurate. The flow of urine goes directly through the prostate, and its size does directly affect the flow. In a normal healthy person, this can result in normal urinary flow turning into excessive urinary flow that causes "dribble" after urination. When I was on Propecia, I could have taken a picture to prove this, as I walked back to my cubicle from the bathroom almost daily looking like I had just pissed my pants. Quite discomforting for a 25 year old. The original poster described it as "Peeing a Lot" however, which has absolutely nothing to do with Propecia, but moreso due to his intake of fluids. I have found that other factors such as cessation of workout supplements containing Creatine have consistently resulted in a day of excessive urination. My theory being that creatine causes water retention, and stopping it results in a release of that fluid from the body. Propecia and Dutasteride do not, however cause volume of urine to increase. They only result in a better flow (which to a fairly dumb individual might be confused as "more fluid"). No offense.
It can, and in fact it does. Over the last 7 years running this site, and as per personal experience, decreased urinary control is a very common side effect of those who take Finasteride and Dutasteride. Prostatitis is also a fairly common occurance for those who do see side effects on Finasteride. This can result in discomfort and even a stabbing or shooting pain in the prostate region.
Nice sarcastic tone. You're right, Im a dummy. I didn't read or comprehend what you wrote.
Addressed this, and the study showed otherwise. Did you actually read my response or just skim it? I addressed "normal healthy individuals" issue more than once, to address this very point.trentender said:
Incorrect. The prostate regulates flow of urine in every human being. If there is no constriction, that flow is open to a "normal" extent. That constriction can be further reduced (see the cited study) and this can and does result in increased urinary flow. I would like to see some data showing that finasteride does not do this. I can show you hundreds of posts of guys who report decreased urinary control on finasteride, and my coworkers who laughed and pointed at my piss spots on my khaki pants at work can also verify it.
Thats fine. You're still wrong. And you've expressed nothing but an opinion. So stand by your opinion. I have facts proving your opinion is incorrect. Deal with it and drop the attitude.trentender said:
Science is black and white when studies have been done to prove something. Science is only "gray" when there are no studies to point to.
I dont agree to disagree with people who ignore the data, and declare an unscientific truth based upon opinion.
That only proves that you have the same problem most doctors have. A medical related education that has resulted in an irrational arrogance and god complex where 90% of your facts are wrong, but you arrogantly proclaim them to be right to the educational demise of your patients. I have learned not to give a rats *** about someone's "education" level in medicine. Some of the dumbest people I've met are doctors with medical degrees. The simple fact is anyone can know more than a doctor on any given topic by spending an equal or greater amount of time simply studying that topic. The fact is most doctors don't spend as much time as most consumers studying any given topic.
Feel free to correct me when I am wrong. I welcome it. But you better have more than your uneducated opinion when you do it. I listen to studies, data, and facts. Medicine is only "gray" when there are none to draw upon. Someone who ignores them and declares a conflicting belief, to me, is no different than a person who believes the world is still flat, and sneezes are the result of demonic posession.
Aha. You just proved my point. The single most proven "unproven" product out there data-wise and you don't "agree" it has science backing it. Surprise. This time I am not going to ignore this issue. Im going to take (no offense) this idiotic comment head on. Tell me ONE OTHER unproven product out there that has greater or equal science backing it in the treatment of hair loss, other than Revivogen. Just one.
LOL ... man you really are weak. Are you kidding me with this? Im not surprised you bailed on this debate. How does it feel to be verbally backed into a corner and forced to change the topic? Let me know when you're ready to back your uneducated opinions up with some facts.trentender said:
Its not a "DHT Inhibitor"? Someone with all your medical education (which you remind us of repeatedly) should know the error of this phrasing. Can you tell me why its improper?trentender said:
Your way of thinking is almost comical. I never called it a proven treatment. In fact I have called it an "unproven" treatment. This has nothing to do with proving it can or can't work. That wasn't the topic.