Masturbation Frequency

[Hecfield]

I know that this is a perennial hot potato, and I don't want to burn any mouths. That said, I was thinking about potential correlations between masturbation and rate of male pattern baldness, and it just seems logical. I browsed some studies which have shown an increase in T Levels after male sexual activity, and others which showed that men who refrained from masturbation for 3 weeks showed significant reduction in T Levels comparitive to subsequent sexual arousal. I get that this subject is the source of a lot of hostility on hair loss sites, but I was just wondering if anyone had any data which suggests that it wouldn't have a plausible effect on hair loss.

It just seems odd that there's so much scepticism about something which elevates serum androgen levels having a negative effect on hair retention. I also read some reviews which suggested that it didn't have a major effect on sex hormone levels, but neither side seemed particularly conclusive over the other.

I'm not saying 'if you have sex or masturbate you will definitely go bald, and if you don't you definitely won't.' I'm just supposing that increase in T levels = increase in substrate for reductase mediated DHT synthesis = increased DHT. As well as more free testosterone, which is another (albeit less potent) androgen floating around.

If anyone can explain why this is illogical I'd be grateful. And I don't want this to get heated, its just conjecture.

 

[Britannia]

:stupid:

 

[Hecfield]

How fantastically mature.

 

[Britannia]

Because posting on an internet forum asking how many times you can beat one out before your hair falls out is...... mature?

 

[Cassin]

do a search...a thousand threads on this...

 

[Hecfield]

Yes. Because that was obviously what I was asking. My entire post was a massive euphemism for asking 'please tell me how often i can beat off?' You've ousted me for the horrific pleasure obsessed creature I am.

I tried to go about what I was saying in an entirely open and inoffensive way, and it takes all of 21 minutes for someone to be a jackass.

All I was saying was given the lifestyle changes some undertake to prevent or reduce loss, is it not worth at least for a moment considering seriously whether androgen levels can be reduced by something that trivial. Just asking if anybody had ever seen a credible scientific report that directly contradicted what I said. But obviously emoticon based wit is far more important.

 

[Hecfield]

And Cassin, I did search first, went through about 15 threads and every one was essentially 'lets not talk about that'. I just wondered if anybody had a link to any reviews which were in dispute (as I said above, which granted was after you posted). And I didn't want to bump a thread from years ago. I apologise for that, but I did have a reasonably specific request and thought it better to start a new thread. No offense was intended (or hopefully taken).

 

[Cassin]

there is many of those threads with studies in them

 

[Britannia]

Cassin!! Wow what kind of breed of Newbies do we have these days?? Not only stupid but lazy!

 

[Hoppi]

I'm with Noah on this one. Why cant you just discuss it without insults and claims that he should just Google it? Surely a summarizing, cited little response would be mature and informative (I wish I could, but I'm afraid I dont know anything about this particular aspect of male pattern baldness yet)

 

[treeshrew]

Hoppi, no offense, but you've got 16 posts guy.

Once you hang out here for awhile you'll see the "masturbation" thread appears about once a week.

It gets OLD after awhile.

For more information on masturbation and hair loss please visit google.com.

 

[jonsie150]

i propose that we sticky all the (valid) research that talks about (and, you know, discredits) the correlation between masturbation and hairloss.

PS- the use of the word "sticky" in that sentence could have possibly been funny

 

[Hoppi]

i propose that we sticky all the (valid) research that talks about (and, you know, discredits) the correlation between masturbation and hairloss.

PS- the use of the word "sticky" in that sentence could have possibly been funny

xD

 

[ADL]

I'll summarize it for you.

According to one study, testosterone peaks 45% above baseline at the seventh day of abstinence. How I read the study I assume testosterone drops back to baseline on day eight.

Another study found testosterone levels of 116% compared to baseline after three weeks of abstinence.

To me the most interesting find is the last study. Chances are, the 16% rise in testosterone has the same reason propecia raises testosterone levels by 15%. In the propecia case this is a result of less testosterone-> DHT conversion.

Some big problems arise:

- Without regular flushing, the prostate will get infected

- Nobody can fight the urge for sex.

- What if you get jumped on by gorgeous girls after you got your hair back?
Will you stick to "once every month"?

- Monks tend to bald at least as badly as other men.

- p**rn stars don't seem to be more prone to balding than other men.


I think zinc is the major player in this case.
To my understanding zinc neutralizes toxins/waste material and then acts as a transporter. But it needs to get out. Part of it will get out through the skin by sweating(together with waste material/toxins, hence the smell). Part of it will follow its way down the toilet and I assume snot contains zinc.


Bottomline is: zinc is very helpful but you need to get rid of it once it has done its job. So you need to empty your prostate regularly.

To me, a subtle supplement of zinc of 15mg per day makes more sense than keeping the toxins in your prostate for a long time.

 

[slipy]

Another study found testosterone levels of 116% compared to baseline after three weeks of abstinence.

To me the most interesting find is the last study. Chances are, the 16% rise in testosterone has the same reason propecia raises testosterone levels by 15%. In the propecia case this is a result of less testosterone-> DHT conversion.

Sounds like a very strong point, i wonder what the skeptics got to say to that.

- p**rn stars don't seem to be more prone to balding than other men

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I would disagree with that. I've watched a lot of p**rn and at least 50% of pornstars are thinning if not more.

 

[SmileBam]

I think excessive masturbation can do damage,not only to hair,but especially to your brain.But what the hell,you cannot stop the urge to beat it off sometimes,is human nature.3 or 4 times a week is good,i think.

 

[Hecfield]

Thank you ADL, that was exactly what I was after. If you have links to and/or study titles to hand I'd appreciate it.

And Britannia, I've no idea what your problem is. Stupid and lazy? I read the first 6 journal articles I could find on masturbation endocrinology from sciencedirect (this as far better than google, which brings up nothing but the unfounded paranoia/assuredness that masturbation does or doesn't cause hair loss, despite the oh so clever rhetoric offered by another poster). This internet forum elitism is possibly the most irritating thing in existence, aside from Desperate Housewives. Sorry for using a hair loss forum for its original purpose, which I assume includes asking for a simple link to an article, so that I can form a balanced opinion, because everything I have come across supports a masturbation/hair loss theory despite the fact that contradictory evidence must exist for people to so vehemently oppose it. But if information sharing is not what a hair loss forum is for, then I don't know what it is for. And by that I'm not trashing this forum, which is hugely helpful, just the entirely unhelpful response of particular posters in this thread, it would have been far less effort for you to have just not said anything.

So yeah, thank you ADL and anyone else who responded in a way which was not obvious flame.

 

[ADL]

Here's one:

J Zhejiang Univ Sci. 2003 Mar-Apr;4(2):236-40.Click here to read Links
A research on the relationship between ejaculation and serum testosterone level in men.
Jiang M, Xin J, Zou Q, Shen JW.

Department of Life Science, Hangzhou Normal College, Hangzhou 310020, China. jiangmy@mail.hz.zj.cn

The purpose of this study is to gain understanding of the relationship between ejaculation and serum testosterone level in men. The serum testosterone concentrations of 28 volunteers were investigated daily during abstinence periods after ejaculation for two phases. The authors found that the fluctuations of testosterone levels from the 2nd to 5th day of abstinence were minimal. On the 7th day of abstinence, however, a clear peak of serum testosterone appeared, reaching 145.7% of the baseline ( P < 0.01). No regular fluctuation was observed following continuous abstinence after the peak. Ejaculation is the precondition and beginning of the special periodic serum testosterone level variations, which would not occur without ejaculation. The results showed that ejaculation-caused variations were characterized by a peak on the 7th day of abstinence; and that the effective time of an ejaculation is 7 days minimum. These data are the first to document the phenomenon of the periodic change in serum testosterone level; the correlation between ejaculation and periodic change in the serum testosterone level, and the pattern and characteristics of the periodic change.

PMID: 12659241




And the other one:


Titre du document / Document title
Endocrine response to masturbation-induced orgasm in healthy men following a 3-week sexual abstinence
Auteur(s) / Author(s)
EXTON Michael S. (1) ; KRÃœGER Tillmann H. C. (1) ; BURSCH Norbert (2) ; HAAKE Philip (1) ; KNAPP Wolfram (3) ; SCHEDLOWSKI Manfred (1) ; HARTMANN Uwe (2) ;
Affiliation(s) du ou des auteurs / Author(s) Affiliation(s)
(1) Institut für Medizinische Psychologie, Universitätsklinikum Essen, Hufelandstr. 55, 45122 Essen, ALLEMAGNE
(2) Division of Clinical Psychiatry, Hannover Medical School, 30623 Hannover, ALLEMAGNE
(3) Division of Nuclear Medicine, Hannover Medical School, 30623 Hannover, ALLEMAGNE

Résumé / Abstract
This current study examined the effect of a 3-week period of sexual abstinence on the neuroendocrine response to masturbation-induced orgasm. Hormonal and cardiovascular parameters were examined in ten healthy adult men during sexual arousal and masturbation-induced orgasm. Blood was drawn continuously and cardiovascular parameters were constantly monitored. This procedure was conducted for each participant twice, both before and after a 3-week period of sexual abstinence. Plasma was subsequently analysed for concentrations of adrenaline, noradrenaline, cortisol, prolactin, luteinizing hormone and testosterone concentrations. Orgasm increased blood pressure, heart rate, plasma catecholamines and prolactin. These effects were observed both before and after sexual abstinence. In contrast, although plasma testosterone was unaltered by orgasm, higher testosterone concentrations were observed following the period of abstinence. These data demonstrate that acute abstinence does not change the neuroendocrine response to orgasm but does produce elevated levels of testosterone in males.
Revue / Journal Title
World journal of urology ISSN 0724-4983 CODEN WJURDJ
Source / Source
2001, vol. 19, no5, pp. 377-382 (35 ref.)
Langue / Language
Anglais

Editeur / Publisher
Springer, Berlin, ALLEMAGNE (1983) (Revue)

Mots-clés anglais / English Keywords
Steroid hormone ; Adrenal hormone ; Glucocorticoid ; Human ; Hydrocortisone ; Catecholamine ; Cardiovascular control ; Blood plasma ; Testosterone ; Quantitative analysis ; Orgasm ; Masturbation ; Male sexual function ; Abstinence ;

 

[cuebald]

hahah, so abstaining from ejaculation causes INCREASED testosterone levels!
Eat that all you jokers who say "I've stopped masturbating and I can literally FEEL my hair growing back!"

 

[ADL]

After I've read that second study a few times, I'm getting confused. Does the testosterone rise after three weeks of abstinence alone or after the orgasm following the abstinence?