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Make brotzu's lotion (not yet GB!)

Discussion in 'New Research, Studies, and Technologies' started by Alphus, Apr 19, 2016.

  1. Alphus

    Alphus Member

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    In this thread we discuss how to make brotzu's lotion and maybe set a GB.
    Discussion about fidia and commercialization of his product is in the another thread.
    Since I expect that we must wait AT LEAST another year for that, I think we want to know soon if the wait worth the while.


    The lotion is described here, please read all:
    https://www.google.com/patents/WO2015170247A1?cl=en


    First part:
    At the bottom of that link is written that the best recipe is that used in group A.
    Let's list every ingredient and how much can it cost.
    Its composition is:
    -Phosphatidylcholine (Lipid S75 Humangrade) 1 g
    -DGLA 1.25 mg
    -S-Equol 7 mg
    -Ethanol 1 ml
    -L-propionylcarnitine 7 mg
    -Stearylamine 30 mg------>( 10 mg is less effective, if you read all you will see it!) <----Please someone check what's the best quantity: 10 or 30 mg?
    -Sterile water 5 ml


    Let's check every ingredient:


    sterile water
    ethanol


    They are very common, so I don't consider them...


    DGLA: first of all, is not essential, if I understand well...
    In the beginning of brevetto:
    ...Substances enclosed in the liposomes are PGE1 precursor polyunsaturated fatty acids selected from at least one of dihomo-gamma-linolenic acid (DGLA) , linoleic acid, gamma-linolenic acid, arachidonic acid, docosatetraenoic acidSubstances enclosed in the liposomes are PGE1 precursor polyunsaturated fatty acids selected from at least one of dihomo-gamma-linolenic acid (DGLA) , linoleic acid, gamma-linolenic acid, arachidonic acid, docosatetraenoic acid...
    Anyway I found this italian link:
    http://www.vincibiochem.it/prodotti/T5HlOumj8Z4=/d8P8fr1qPhE=
    Is it good? I cannot know its price, I must send an email...


    Phosphatidylcholine (Lipid S75 Humangrade)
    http://www.amazon.com/Phosphatidylcholine-420-mg-200-Sgels/dp/B00068UANS
    Is a good link? It costs 15 dollars...


    S-equol: found nothing...


    Stearylamine:
    http://www.mpbio.com/product.php?pid=02195508&country=105
    I don't know the price


    L-propionylcarnitine: found nothing...


    Please, tell me if the link are correct (maybe I miswrite the chemical formula).
    Let me know if we can use a substitute for some ingredient (example we can use "*****" instead of s-equol, that is less expensive or works better...)


    Second part:
    use the sonicator. What is a sonicator and how it works?
    http://www.medicalctrpharmacy.net/m...-930-ultrasound-detail.htm?productid=19647212


    It costs 3000 dollars, so I think we have not so much money. But maybe someone has a pharmacist or chemist friend that can help us.
    Can we use a substitute for this? Is it essential and why?
    Because maybe we can build something with arduino that creates ultrasound.
    (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arduino)

    UPDATE: It seems that an ultrasound cleaner is good for this purpose, and it costs 20-50 $.
    In fact in this video there is someone that prepares vitamin C liposomial with ultrasound cleaner:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynhRoyQYIQ8
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    For any other idea please write here, I will edit this thread
    (or maybe some english speaker can write an official post instead of this)
     
  2. 20legend

    20legend New Member

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    Someone over at B*****t forum can ping Desmond and ask for his input on this thread. He will definitely be able to help us create this. His chemistry knowledge is awesome.
     
  3. Alphus

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    I don't know him, but yes, someone send him here! He can be helpful :)
     
  4. JLC

    JLC Established Member

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    Thankyou Alphus for starting this.

    I think the more people we have doing this group buy the better, so maybe contact http://www.hairlosscure2020.com and see if he'll do a new post about it on his blog.
     
  5. dzeris

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    FCKW36 Experienced Member

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    Thank you for starting this thread.

    sounds bull****, 21$ for 1mg is a ****ing joke... I'm sure s-equol is a cheap thing if you have the right source.
     
  7. el_rizos

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    I think we have to buy among all an ultrasound machine to copy the formula of Dr. Brotzu 100%. But I think we should talk to Dr. Brotzu before doing anything . I guess Dr. Brotzu will not want to help because he might have problems with Fidia , but maybe he can guide us .
    I'm from Spain but Italian foreros that could contact the Doctor Brotzu .
    Fidia do we know that will delay the sale of the lotion ? Why do more tests? We Podem not wait any longer.
     
  8. Armando Jose

    Armando Jose Senior Member My Regimen

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  9. FCKW36

    FCKW36 Experienced Member

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    Trust me, this is for laboratory tests, that's the reason for these prices. Saw this in the past with many other substances with these prices and at the and it was 100€ for 10g or something like this so don't be afraid. We only need to find the right source.
     
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    As I said in another thread, I think it would be great if one knowledgable and trusted member could volunteer to mix a big batch and then he distribute it to us. We can all prepay and help to find best source of ingredients.
     
  11. FCKW36

    FCKW36 Experienced Member

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    I have the person who can mix this, this wouldnt be a problem for me. Its more important to find a source for the ingredients. Im pretty sure I know a very very good laboratory which could help us. But we need to be enough people. They usually start synthesis if there is a group buy of people who would order 300-500g of one substance.
    And no its not kane, its much more reliable than kane. This laboratory is sitting in Europe and many people got there Seti from this source in a bigger gb. This laboratory could help us for sure but we need to be enough people so we should start a "gb-thread" where people can write if they are interested in s-equol and DGLA and how much they would buy...
     
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    FCKW36,
    Do you know if this European laboratory has an ultrasound machine ?
     
  13. Alphus

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    @FCKW36: you should ask them what can be the price for a GB of about 10 people for a lotion that lasts at least 2-3 months. Brotzu's tests were about 120 days longer, so if it does not work in 2 months, we 'll go to Brotzu's home and :alien:...
    Please, send to them brotzu's brevetto and ask them if they can copy the lotion entirely.

    -------------------------------------------------------------

    Here is my email-exchange with hairlosscure:
     
  14. FCKW36

    FCKW36 Experienced Member

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    I will see what I can do but this needs some days. :)
     
  15. dzeris

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    never said it was cheap :( though they are much more legit than alibaba&Co

    PGE1 unfortunately is in similar price bracket
     
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    Don't you guy think this will discourage any pharma to launch this product?
     
  17. FCKW36

    FCKW36 Experienced Member

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    Trust me it will be much more cheaper i told you already yesterday...
     
  18. thinin

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    Hardly. I'd be surprised if they even knew this forum existed. If they did on the off chance It would only show them people want this product.

    What's a few dozen people making this on a forum really going to do in the grand scale of things.
     
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  19. Pray The Bald Away

    Pray The Bald Away Experienced Member My Regimen

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    I think he was referring to the cost of the ingredients.
     
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  20. potato87

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    I'm in

    If we are after people for the group buy then I'm in!

     

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