In this thread we discuss how to make brotzu's lotion and maybe set a GB.
Discussion about fidia and commercialization of his product is in the another thread.
Since I expect that we must wait AT LEAST another year for that, I think we want to know soon if the wait worth the while.
The lotion is described here, please read all:
https://www.google.com/patents/WO2015170247A1?cl=en
First part:
At the bottom of that link is written that the best recipe is that used in group A.
Let's list every ingredient and how much can it cost.
Its composition is:
-Phosphatidylcholine (Lipid S75 Humangrade) 1 g
-DGLA 1.25 mg
-S-Equol 7 mg
-Ethanol 1 ml
-L-propionylcarnitine 7 mg
-Stearylamine 30 mg------>( 10 mg is less effective, if you read all you will see it!) <----Please someone check what's the best quantity: 10 or 30 mg?
-Sterile water 5 ml
Let's check every ingredient:
sterile water
ethanol
They are very common, so I don't consider them...
DGLA: first of all, is not essential, if I understand well...
In the beginning of brevetto:
...Substances enclosed in the liposomes are PGE1 precursor polyunsaturated fatty acids selected from at least one of dihomo-gamma-linolenic acid (DGLA) , linoleic acid, gamma-linolenic acid, arachidonic acid, docosatetraenoic acidSubstances enclosed in the liposomes are PGE1 precursor polyunsaturated fatty acids selected from at least one of dihomo-gamma-linolenic acid (DGLA) , linoleic acid, gamma-linolenic acid, arachidonic acid, docosatetraenoic acid...
Anyway I found this italian link:
http://www.vincibiochem.it/prodotti/T5HlOumj8Z4=/d8P8fr1qPhE=
Is it good? I cannot know its price, I must send an email...
Phosphatidylcholine (Lipid S75 Humangrade)
http://www.amazon.com/Phosphatidylcholine-420-mg-200-Sgels/dp/B00068UANS
Is a good link? It costs 15 dollars...
S-equol: found nothing...
Stearylamine:
http://www.mpbio.com/product.php?pid=02195508&country=105
I don't know the price
L-propionylcarnitine: found nothing...
Please, tell me if the link are correct (maybe I miswrite the chemical formula).
Let me know if we can use a substitute for some ingredient (example we can use "*****" instead of s-equol, that is less expensive or works better...)
Second part:
use the sonicator. What is a sonicator and how it works?
http://www.medicalctrpharmacy.net/m...-930-ultrasound-detail.htm?productid=19647212
It costs 3000 dollars, so I think we have not so much money. But maybe someone has a pharmacist or chemist friend that can help us.
Can we use a substitute for this? Is it essential and why?
Because maybe we can build something with arduino that creates ultrasound.
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arduino)
UPDATE: It seems that an ultrasound cleaner is good for this purpose, and it costs 20-50 $.
In fact in this video there is someone that prepares vitamin C liposomial with ultrasound cleaner:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynhRoyQYIQ8
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For any other idea please write here, I will edit this thread
(or maybe some english speaker can write an official post instead of this)
Discussion about fidia and commercialization of his product is in the another thread.
Since I expect that we must wait AT LEAST another year for that, I think we want to know soon if the wait worth the while.
The lotion is described here, please read all:
https://www.google.com/patents/WO2015170247A1?cl=en
First part:
At the bottom of that link is written that the best recipe is that used in group A.
Let's list every ingredient and how much can it cost.
Its composition is:
-Phosphatidylcholine (Lipid S75 Humangrade) 1 g
-DGLA 1.25 mg
-S-Equol 7 mg
-Ethanol 1 ml
-L-propionylcarnitine 7 mg
-Stearylamine 30 mg------>( 10 mg is less effective, if you read all you will see it!) <----Please someone check what's the best quantity: 10 or 30 mg?
-Sterile water 5 ml
Let's check every ingredient:
sterile water
ethanol
They are very common, so I don't consider them...
DGLA: first of all, is not essential, if I understand well...
In the beginning of brevetto:
...Substances enclosed in the liposomes are PGE1 precursor polyunsaturated fatty acids selected from at least one of dihomo-gamma-linolenic acid (DGLA) , linoleic acid, gamma-linolenic acid, arachidonic acid, docosatetraenoic acidSubstances enclosed in the liposomes are PGE1 precursor polyunsaturated fatty acids selected from at least one of dihomo-gamma-linolenic acid (DGLA) , linoleic acid, gamma-linolenic acid, arachidonic acid, docosatetraenoic acid...
Anyway I found this italian link:
http://www.vincibiochem.it/prodotti/T5HlOumj8Z4=/d8P8fr1qPhE=
Is it good? I cannot know its price, I must send an email...
Phosphatidylcholine (Lipid S75 Humangrade)
http://www.amazon.com/Phosphatidylcholine-420-mg-200-Sgels/dp/B00068UANS
Is a good link? It costs 15 dollars...
S-equol: found nothing...
Stearylamine:
http://www.mpbio.com/product.php?pid=02195508&country=105
I don't know the price
L-propionylcarnitine: found nothing...
Please, tell me if the link are correct (maybe I miswrite the chemical formula).
Let me know if we can use a substitute for some ingredient (example we can use "*****" instead of s-equol, that is less expensive or works better...)
Second part:
use the sonicator. What is a sonicator and how it works?
http://www.medicalctrpharmacy.net/m...-930-ultrasound-detail.htm?productid=19647212
It costs 3000 dollars, so I think we have not so much money. But maybe someone has a pharmacist or chemist friend that can help us.
Can we use a substitute for this? Is it essential and why?
Because maybe we can build something with arduino that creates ultrasound.
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arduino)
UPDATE: It seems that an ultrasound cleaner is good for this purpose, and it costs 20-50 $.
In fact in this video there is someone that prepares vitamin C liposomial with ultrasound cleaner:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynhRoyQYIQ8
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For any other idea please write here, I will edit this thread
(or maybe some english speaker can write an official post instead of this)