I genuinely threw all of my finasteride out of the window..

[Hoppi]

I just don't think it's worth it is it really? That stuff really put me at risk of struggling with my libido and sexual health (I think I'm slowly resuming now which is a great feeling but it took longer than 3 days and feels gradual and still uncertain, which is scary to me) and.. I just wouldn't make that sacrifice personally, not even for my hair.

So yeah, it all took a brave leap from my bedroom window yesterday evening lol

If I wanna reduce DHT from now on I'll just use a beta-sit and equol combo. I hope I recover totally from that last bout of finasteride as that has been a pretty horrible experience

Hoppi

 

[GeminiX]

I really don't know whether I can believe anything you post any more, you're madder than a Marmite Mars bar.

So you've really thrown a quantity of prescription medication out of your window where it's now either A, in your garden or B, in the street?

/sigh

 

[zeroheat]

Get a blog.

 

[TheGrayMan2001]

From the way you post I think its all in your head.

 

[DoctorHouse]

The window Hoppi is referring to is the same one you find at the opening into to the Twilight Zone as this guy has opened the door and lives beyond both sight and sound, he lives in the Twilight Zone.......................................... :whistle:

 

[dougfunny]

Did anyone save Hoppi's original avatar?

The one of some nut (presumably him) smoking a joint?

:smoke:

 

[bigjohnson]

hey nothing wrong with gettin a littl high now and then :smoke:

Hoppi: u should just throw ur computer out the window..... 1.2k posts in 3 months might cause a problem with your sex life lol! and thats just this forum!

:youbet:

 

[beaner]

If I wanna reduce DHT from now on I'll just use a beta-sit and equol combo....
Hoppi

If this were to actually work, what makes you think you wouldn't get sides from this since you'd be doing the same thing to yourself?

 

[Hoppi]

If I wanna reduce DHT from now on I'll just use a beta-sit and equol combo....
Hoppi

If this were to actually work, what makes you think you wouldn't get sides from this since you'd be doing the same thing to yourself?

From what I have gathered from trials etc so far, equol only produces mild estrogenic sides and even then quite rarely. It seems that the 5ar inhibition actually does more damage than the DHT reduction, at least from what I've seen and picked up. And dont worry guys there are quite a few bushes and things in my garden so I'm sure the neighbourhood will be just fine! lol

 

[TheGrayMan2001]

If I wanna reduce DHT from now on I'll just use a beta-sit and equol combo....
Hoppi

If this were to actually work, what makes you think you wouldn't get sides from this since you'd be doing the same thing to yourself?

From what I have gathered from trials etc so far, equol only produces mild estrogenic sides and even then quite rarely. It seems that the 5ar inhibition actually does more damage than the DHT reduction, at least from what I've seen and picked up. And dont worry guys there are quite a few bushes and things in my garden so I'm sure the neighbourhood will be just fine! lol

What have you "seen" and "picked up" besides a few anectodal cases of people who are probably half crazy and sick to begin with? I'm not saying there are not side effects nor that they could be hazardous. Instead, I say that finasteride is safe and that everyone should at least attempt it and scientifically observe with how it affects you.

Instead, I believe you took finasteride with the assumption that it was going to destroy you. You possibly created the placebo effect when finasteride actually did nothing to you whatsoever. For all you know, finasteride might 100% restore your hair and you will never have another problem.

I'm averse to the "medicine is bad, let us find another way to proceed with alternative medicine" crap because that is how I was raised and how my dad still is. If he wanted to do something about his very thin hair, I guarantee he would not go on finasteride because he would think the exact same things you do. I had difficulty starting finasteride because I didn't want side effects, but then I realized the only thing happening is I'm losing hair while the possible miracle drug isn't doing anything for me because I'm not taking it at the medically safe dose.

I took a leap of faith and decided to be objective about it. I had a mild side effect for approximately 1 week--ball ache. It subsided and I have no problems since then at 1.25/day. I keep observing to see if anything else happens to me but so far I have had no problems whatsoever. If anything I feel better than ever because I run and exercise regularly.

If we follow your logic to its conclusion, you cannot ever take Saw Palmetto or Beta Sisterol or anything else similar to that because it also affects 5 AR. If you take it, you're as guilty as taking finasteride. (Of course I am opposed to taking it because we have no way to measure the right doseage for hair loss in a human)

 

[Hoppi]

Come on man cut me some slack here, I may be all for natural medicine and things but really, honestly I did not have my guard up about finasteride, I promise you. I am actually quite confident about what my body can take, and I was intending to only use finasteride as a stopgap until I got Densiti / dealt with my collagen problem or whatever. The side effects totally took me by surprise, I wasn't even really thinking about it.

I don't oppose mainstream medicine or drugs at ALL - I think they can be fantastic and progress is so important, but as far as beta-sit goes do remember it doesn't tend to give permanent sides like finasteride can and doesn't inhibit 5ar to the same extent. Mild 5ar inhibition seems to be fine, even foods like coconut are mild inhibitors.

 

[Fender89]

good for you hoppi . Finasteride is whilleee bad shite. Speaking from personal experience. I find it funny that some people, i forget where the post is, say you can just use v**** with it and your sorted. I'd rather go bald than have to use v**** in my twenties. Hoppi, have you tried immortal hairs regimen yet? I've got all the supplements just havn't started em yet. I've also started using reviogen, and slowly dropping spectral DNC, but will continue to use spectral DNC L on hairline.

PS, what i honeslty think is also helping my hairloss is not working out as much. A year ago i used to work out 3-4 times a week. funny enough a year ago is when my hairloss started. well i almost stopped it for 6 months, like i havn't done any heavy lifting, just pushups every night, and cardio stuff anytime else. Ofcourse, desirably i would love to be able to work out as hard as i wanted. someday when i know theres a treatment that works really well for hair other than finasteride.

anyway take it easy man

 

[bigjohnson]

PS, what i honeslty think is also helping my hairloss is not working out as much. A year ago i used to work out 3-4 times a week.
anyway take it easy man

Fender thats interesting i always thought there somewhat of a connection between this? are u like really buff built type guy? i ask this because all my friends from high school who are now nw6's (no joke i know about 6-8 ppl who were nw3V - nw6 by age 23) were like heavy workout junkies and its so sad poor basterds. they all became fat alcoholics now later in life... makes me wish it wasnt such a social faux paux (whatever that word is) to talk about hairloss and treatments with people.... i never could bring up the courage to say something to them when i first learned of hairloss treatments around age 20, like "hey u can take drugs save most of that hair..." i never ever comment on friends hair no matter how terrible they look. and there i am almost a nw1 witth long locks down my face lookin about 10 years younger than them (not to mention im one of the oldest in my class like 1 year avg older than most) sitting on all this info that could help them....makes me sad

 

[TheGrayMan2001]

Sorry to be so hard on you Hoppi you just were the posterboy for the anti-finasteride crowd for a while on this board

no personal insults meant lol I wasn't try to be mean although I'm sure I came across that way.

 

[Fender89]

hey bigjohnson ok so about 2 years ago i was super skinny. never ever lifted weights but i was really fit and healthy. i participated in alot of sports. Then i started lifting weights for about a year pretty steady, then for about 6 months or so, i went all out, like really big time trying to lift really heavy weights low reps. I don't think i ever got "buff" like really big, but i looked really really defined due to me being super skinny before hand. Also had alot of strength compared to people who looked bigger than me. Anyway so my hairloss seemed to start suddenly after the 6 months of heavy heavy training. when i say suddenly, i mean, that's when i noticed the sheds in the shower. I think i triggered a gene or something tbh and now there's nothing i can do haha. well as i said, quitting the weight training is possibly helping as i havn't lifted weights in 6 months. thankfully my metabolism is pretty high being young and all so i still look sorta ripped. probably 0 strength compared to what i used to be though lol.

Ofc, it may have been destined to slow down regardless of me quitting weight training.

 

[bigjohnson]

that's interesting fender.... so u actually experienced a shed during the heavy workout periods? i think i am much like u... skinny and tall but very lean naturally it kinda looks like i workout since im athletic looking, ripped in the stomach chest etc also i have a "bigjohnson" lol and a deep voice so i always figured i had higher testosterone than the average guy but i never really liked working out and after observing my friends over the years i couldnt say if they were experiencing a serious shed at any particular time as i said before i didnt even talk about hair loss with them but i did absolutely stare at their hair lol and for example: one guy had ridiculously thick nw0 hair back in 2003 ish he was super buff as result from serious weight training. as of 2009 when i last saw him he was a very thin diffuse to a nw6 pattern as in basically all of his hair was gone. Another guy who had thin hair to begin with also became super buff not so lucky, by 2003 his hair was a bad nw3 and by 2006 completely bald basically. thats just two examples and like i said i know many more.... i wonder what the connection is?

 

[TheGrayMan2001]

I think peoples hairloss just starts when they start deciding to get fit, I don't think there is any causation there.

 

[bigjohnson]

its not just getting fit i'm talking... "fit" is just going on a diet and walking/running a little bit but we're talking about heavy athletic training the kind of thing that involves huge heavy weights and bulging muscles result from it..... u have to think if people can claim wanking off raises testosterone... imagine what a complete body testosterone workout everyday would do?

 

[TheGrayMan2001]

its not just getting fit i'm talking... "fit" is just going on a diet and walking/running a little bit but we're talking about heavy athletic training the kind of thing that involves huge heavy weights and bulging muscles result from it..... u have to think if people can claim wanking off raises testosterone... imagine what a complete body testosterone workout everyday would do?

...I lift heavy weights. I do squats, down to the ground, with a barbell on my back. Deadlift, benchpress, standing press, barbell rows.

I do not think it has that big of an effect. It increases test, but your body is using that test to build muscle and recooperate, not to convert to DHT in crazy amounts.

I've been on finasteride and feel no difference.

 

[Obsidian]

Put down the Ganja, Hoppi.