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Bluepill people with good genetics will tell you that your skin will get better if you take care of it with moisturizers, masks and other nonsense. But in fact, with poor genetics, only the fight against androgen receptors is effective. Only this reduced the oily skin, pores, removed blackheads. Even though I stopped applying moisturizer
For people without even hair loss, but with terrible skin, it makes sense to try Bicalutamide, in small doses, because living with very oily skin is very difficult, and nothing will help you
Reducing the oiliness of my skin has greatly improved my quality of life.

But Bicalutamide will never be approved for treating skin conditions in men because people in this crazy world believe that libido is the most important thing a man needs. It amazes me how all doctors and nutritionists are concerned about libido/sperm quality in men. As if the male needs to fertilize the female every day.
 
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Bluepill people with good genetics will tell you that your skin will get better if you take care of it with moisturizers, masks and other nonsense. But in fact, with poor genetics, only the fight against androgen receptors is effective. Only this reduced the oily skin, pores, removed blackheads. Even though I stopped applying moisturizer
For people without even hair loss, but with terrible skin, it makes sense to try Bicalutamide, in small doses, because living with very oily skin is very difficult, and nothing will help you
Reducing the oiliness of my skin has greatly improved my quality of life.

But Bicalutamide will never be approved for treating skin conditions in men because people in this crazy world believe that libido is the most important thing a man needs. It amazes me how all doctors and nutritionists are concerned about libido/sperm quality in men. As if the male needs to fertilize the female every day.

It all boils down to gender roles and sexism if you ask me. Men are supposed to be libido obsessed ugly orcs who show no emotions. Any male person who wants to deviate from this role is viewed with hostility. Most people don't understand why a biological male might want to have good skin, great hair and generally be cute. It's a cruel and regressive view. Not every biological male has to be masculine. That's why I consider Femboys and MTF trans people to be very courageous for standing up to these toxic expectations. Estrogen, AAs etc. should be freely available to any person who is sure they want to use this medication, it should not be gatekept as it is now.
 

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the autor of this topic is a MTN or not with this regimen ?
He is a girl or a boy ?
could him get a child with a women or not ?
 

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Bluepill people with good genetics will tell you that your skin will get better if you take care of it with moisturizers, masks and other nonsense. But in fact, with poor genetics, only the fight against androgen receptors is effective. Only this reduced the oily skin, pores, removed blackheads. Even though I stopped applying moisturizer
For people without even hair loss, but with terrible skin, it makes sense to try Bicalutamide, in small doses, because living with very oily skin is very difficult, and nothing will help you
Reducing the oiliness of my skin has greatly improved my quality of life.

But Bicalutamide will never be approved for treating skin conditions in men because people in this crazy world believe that libido is the most important thing a man needs. It amazes me how all doctors and nutritionists are concerned about libido/sperm quality in men. As if the male needs to fertilize the female every day.
Well, Bicalutamide is not very kind to the liver on long-term protocols. There are many other (safer) options available to get great looking skin i.e. vitamin A (Accutane), Progesterone, DHEA, Pregnenolone or even E2 if one desires to use it.
 

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the autor of this topic is a MTN or not with this regimen ?
He is a girl or a boy ?
could him get a child with a women or not ?
Bridgeburn is a guy. And yes, you can regain fertility after being on HRT and then stopping. But still banking sperm would be a good idea of you intend to have children and want to start Estrogen. Just to be safe.
 

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Well, Bicalutamide is not very kind to the liver on long-term protocols. There are many other (safer) options available to get great looking skin i.e. vitamin A (Accutane), Progesterone, DHEA, Pregnenolone or even E2 if one desires to use it.
Estradiol is undesirable because it is not suitable for long-term use due to feminization. Bicalutamide is better for this. It has also been approved for the treatment of hirsutism in women. Excessive androgenic activity is also present in men, so I believe that it can be used in such cases to improve the skin, oily skin, and reduce body vegetation. I turned into a hairy bald orc with ugly skin until I started treatment
Accutane is also not suitable for continuous use, it is expensive, and topical adapalene does not reduce the oily skin.
 
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the autor of this topic is a MTN or not with this regimen ?
He is a girl or a boy ?
could him get a child with a women or not ?
I'd guess so, trans feminine non-binary; or feminine eunuch as a gender identity.
Estrogen, how it affects fertility varies. trans women can get other women pregnant if they still have the tools to do it. Thats why female-to-male trans people can get pregnant. Hormones only do so much. Personally an unilateral orchie and finasteride for a year made me infertile. Like i still had the tools but i was apparently fire blanks which is nice to know. And that was just finasteride by itself. I'm kind of bummed out because the option for biological kids is ruled out if i ever could find a surrogate.
after i went the full shotgun approach and now im an infertile 23 year old man taking blackmarket estrogen hoping itll save one of the only things that used to be redeeming about my appearance. Its a loosing fight sometimes i convince myself that i see regrowth, but its actually miniaturized. im starting to think its because i burned through all the anagen cycles i was genetically predisposed to have, anagen phase is like 2-8 years in women. its much shorter in men and closer to 1-3, women are basically not going to bald up until there 70's hell i've seen women that age and their hair is denser than mine at my peak in my earlier 20's. so, i bet my hair is on it last legs most of which in their telogen stage since i probably burned through all my anagen cycles. even if im castrate on a hormonal level, i can at best have another 8 years having hair before im going to lose it all. my father was like Norwood 4/5 by the time he was 25 so, i have at best until im 30. not a reason to live anymore.
 

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I'd guess so, trans feminine non-binary; or feminine eunuch as a gender identity.
Estrogen, how it affects fertility varies. trans women can get other women pregnant if they still have the tools to do it. Thats why female-to-male trans people can get pregnant. Hormones only do so much. Personally an unilateral orchie and finasteride for a year made me infertile. Like i still had the tools but i was apparently fire blanks which is nice to know. And that was just finasteride by itself. I'm kind of bummed out because the option for biological kids is ruled out if i ever could find a surrogate.
after i went the full shotgun approach and now im an infertile 23 year old man taking blackmarket estrogen hoping itll save one of the only things that used to be redeeming about my appearance. Its a loosing fight sometimes i convince myself that i see regrowth, but its actually miniaturized. im starting to think its because i burned through all the anagen cycles i was genetically predisposed to have, anagen phase is like 2-8 years in women. its much shorter in men and closer to 1-3, women are basically not going to bald up until there 70's hell i've seen women that age and their hair is denser than mine at my peak in my earlier 20's. so, i bet my hair is on it last legs most of which in their telogen stage since i probably burned through all my anagen cycles. even if im castrate on a hormonal level, i can at best have another 8 years having hair before im going to lose it all. my father was like Norwood 4/5 by the time he was 25 so, i have at best until im 30. not a reason to live anymore.
only with fina ? are you kidding me ?
 

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I'd guess so, trans feminine non-binary; or feminine eunuch as a gender identity.
Estrogen, how it affects fertility varies. trans women can get other women pregnant if they still have the tools to do it. Thats why female-to-male trans people can get pregnant. Hormones only do so much. Personally an unilateral orchie and finasteride for a year made me infertile. Like i still had the tools but i was apparently fire blanks which is nice to know. And that was just finasteride by itself. I'm kind of bummed out because the option for biological kids is ruled out if i ever could find a surrogate.
after i went the full shotgun approach and now im an infertile 23 year old man taking blackmarket estrogen hoping itll save one of the only things that used to be redeeming about my appearance. Its a loosing fight sometimes i convince myself that i see regrowth, but its actually miniaturized. im starting to think its because i burned through all the anagen cycles i was genetically predisposed to have, anagen phase is like 2-8 years in women. its much shorter in men and closer to 1-3, women are basically not going to bald up until there 70's hell i've seen women that age and their hair is denser than mine at my peak in my earlier 20's. so, i bet my hair is on it last legs most of which in their telogen stage since i probably burned through all my anagen cycles. even if im castrate on a hormonal level, i can at best have another 8 years having hair before im going to lose it all. my father was like Norwood 4/5 by the time he was 25 so, i have at best until im 30. not a reason to live anymore.
My father was Norwood 7 at 25 so you got better genes then me lol. Don't give up faith and experiment with different meds and dosages, something is bound to help!
 

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only with fina ? are you kidding me ?
No, im am not kidding. Its called ejaculatory insufficiency, fina does two things increase testosterone and in excess it gets converted to estradiol and its pretty much final since no enzyme exists to convert estradiol back into testosterone, thats why people get dead dick syndrome on finasteride. and if you use fina long enough it will cause your prostate to atrophy decreasing the volume of semen you produce, infertile in the sense that one, cant actually produce enough of the liquid and the other that because i was tested and fire blanks. I used to take 1mg of finasteride and it didn't work, i was only a hyper responder because i got the side effects of the drug without the actual drug working for my hair. Decided was enough before i started the shotgun approach.
My father was Norwood 7 at 25 so you got better genes then me lol. Don't give up faith and experiment with different meds and dosages, something is bound to help!
as much as i wish it weren't i was looking at pictures of my old provisional liscense and it looks like i had nw3 in the pic. that was like, 4 years ago. so not even 20 i was already fucked. its worse now and i cry having mental breakdowns because i am reminded that it literally makes me ugly and unattractive to men so i am basically going to die alone. literally, as soon as my crown is completely gone im ending it. can't take min because angina and blood pressure medication. dont respond topically to min. cant do anything.
 

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Get tested for hormone levels and check if they correspond to the desired values of T and E. If your T<50ng/dl, and E>200pg/ml, the chances that you will continue to go bald are rather small.
 

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Same here, don't they call autogynephillia? I never felt like a woman however used to enjoy backhanded complements that were supposed to be demeaning about my appearance. Stuff like eh, skinny or chicken legs. Even developed an ED because of it an became emaciated because I thought it made me more attractive. I suppose my "dysphoria" renders as a need to be youthful since my own warped perception perceives that as what men think is attractive. So shocker when hairloss became a factor, thats when i got bitten by the trans bug.

I took a shotgun approach to hairloss, still losing ground.
Why did god gift me these genes? My androgen receptors are so potent even estrogen agonizes them.
I'm screwed.
I had the same result initially, until I started limiting my calorie intake, and cutting out refined sugar and saturated fats. The feeling of hunger seems to trigger results, reducing sebum production, beast tenderness coming back and hair feeling healthier. If you're not getting results from HRT, I encourage you to do the same.
 

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Although I disagree with @Yar and his theories over food being more important then hormones, the above advice is good when combined with HRT. Also test your levels like Almas suggested. The worst thing is to give up @Gynobro237 , don't do it. Think positive and do everything you can. Pump as much AAs and Estrogen you can safely handle, eat well and make sure your levels are good and you should get your hair back.

I believe in you, even if you doubt yourself.

Good luck :)
 

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There is no point in using low doses of E. There is no point in using the CPA. Why choose the shittiest of antiandrogens? Do not do useless and harmful things

T<50ng/dl, E>200pg/ml
Injections + bica + finasteride — the best way. However, you can use other methods as well, as long as the levels are appropriate. Don't try to use half measures, you will be wasting your time and hair.
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Nothing seems to be working so I've decided to go hardcore and experiment with CPA and estradiol. Just started 1 mg. topical estradiol today but been on 25 mgs./day of CPA for the past couple weeks. Hair still falling out like crazy, for those of you that had success with CPA how long did it take before you guys saw a reduction in shedding?
Good luck. I myself started CPA 2 weeks ago and haven't got much shedding. I had some before tho after starting Estradiol.

There is no point in using low doses of E. There is no point in using the CPA. Why choose the shittiest of antiandrogens? Do not do useless and harmful things

T<50ng/dl, E>200pg/ml
Injections + bica + finasteride — the best way. However, you can use other methods as well, as long as the levels are appropriate. Don't try to use half measures, you will be wasting your time and hair.
Based.

Some people can't take Bica due to liver issues. Plus CPA isn't that bad, it also reduces Androgen production, and is pretty safe in low doses, maybe even more then Bica.
 

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CPA? Laughable.
CPA is only effective in large doses for men that are gone past a certain age. They call it "andropause" when men get older their endogenous testosterone production gets nuked to about 2/3rds of what it used to be in their prime; not enough to be hypogonadal but on the low end of normal. So they can take CPA between 50-200mg and get in the castrate ranges of testosterone, some that call themselves "eunuchs" they'll take it as a chemical castration trial before they go for a gonadectomy; they do it to be free from having the desire for "intimacy". The thing is its not effective in younger men, your testosterone peaks in your 20's so cutting it by 70% with CPA ain't gonna do much. Prior to hrt, my testosterone was 842ng/dl and cutting that with CPA alone would put me somewhere in the 300-400ng/dl range, which is far from 210ng/dl and lower that is "hypogonadal".

Plus CPA raises prolactin which can and can't cause hairloss from what I have read. If you wanted to be taking "hrt", you could experiment with bicalutamide so long as it doesn't destroy your liver. I think a load of crackpot diy trans people suggest about 150-300mg of bicalutamide with a serm like raloxifene with a 5 alpha reductase inhibitor to stop the free testosterone from converting into dht. Personally I am not going to do that, since nobody that I know from "other" places are on a regimen so brutal. I think I will stick to estrogen pills, dutasteride and spironolactone, maybe switching to injections at a later date.
 

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In fact, you can only take injections and finasteride. If your T<50ng/dl, then AAs are probably not needed. But I take Bicalutamide as a safety net because I don't want to risk it.
 

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CPA is only effective in large doses for men that are gone past a certain age. They call it "andropause" when men get older their endogenous testosterone production gets nuked to about 2/3rds of what it used to be in their prime; not enough to be hypogonadal but on the low end of normal. So they can take CPA between 50-200mg and get in the castrate ranges of testosterone, some that call themselves "eunuchs" they'll take it as a chemical castration trial before they go for a gonadectomy; they do it to be free from having the desire for "intimacy". The thing is its not effective in younger men, your testosterone peaks in your 20's so cutting it by 70% with CPA ain't gonna do much. Prior to hrt, my testosterone was 842ng/dl and cutting that with CPA alone would put me somewhere in the 300-400ng/dl range, which is far from 210ng/dl and lower that is "hypogonadal".

Plus CPA raises prolactin which can and can't cause hairloss from what I have read. If you wanted to be taking "hrt", you could experiment with bicalutamide so long as it doesn't destroy your liver. I think a load of crackpot diy trans people suggest about 150-300mg of bicalutamide with a serm like raloxifene with a 5 alpha reductase inhibitor to stop the free testosterone from converting into dht. Personally I am not going to do that, since nobody that I know from "other" places are on a regimen so brutal. I think I will stick to estrogen pills, dutasteride and spironolactone, maybe switching to injections at a later date.
Together with Estrogen you only need 12.5mg of CPA to fully nuke T. Or even less apparently.

 

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CPA is only effective in large doses for men that are gone past a certain age. They call it "andropause" when men get older their endogenous testosterone production gets nuked to about 2/3rds of what it used to be in their prime; not enough to be hypogonadal but on the low end of normal. So they can take CPA between 50-200mg and get in the castrate ranges of testosterone, some that call themselves "eunuchs" they'll take it as a chemical castration trial before they go for a gonadectomy; they do it to be free from having the desire for "intimacy". The thing is its not effective in younger men, your testosterone peaks in your 20's so cutting it by 70% with CPA ain't gonna do much. Prior to hrt, my testosterone was 842ng/dl and cutting that with CPA alone would put me somewhere in the 300-400ng/dl range, which is far from 210ng/dl and lower that is "hypogonadal".

Plus CPA raises prolactin which can and can't cause hairloss from what I have read. If you wanted to be taking "hrt", you could experiment with bicalutamide so long as it doesn't destroy your liver. I think a load of crackpot diy trans people suggest about 150-300mg of bicalutamide with a serm like raloxifene with a 5 alpha reductase inhibitor to stop the free testosterone from converting into dht. Personally I am not going to do that, since nobody that I know from "other" places are on a regimen so brutal. I think I will stick to estrogen pills, dutasteride and spironolactone, maybe switching to injections at a later date.
Solxama is right, your first point regarding CPA is not true and dangerous advice. CPA is actually an extremely potent progestogen, and by this mechanism, it potently surpresses the HPT axis. CPA is a moderately potent antiandrogen, so in order to make use of it's AA effects, you'd need to dose higher (the range you suggested). However, the risk for hyperprolactinemia increases in this range. CPA should probably only be used as progestogen to surpress HPTA, and not as AA. You could throw in a low dose Bica to block the little androgens you'd still have left after low dose CPA.

Your other points are correct, all the pharmaceuticals mentioned are not intended for long term use at such dosages (except in the case of cancer patients, which are, on average, much older and likely won't have decades to go relying on those drugs). Finasteride is the exception (although there is no real long term data available either).
 
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