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I think that a current issue being looked at though has to do with whether inflammation exacerbate hair loss
Hi, yes I'm not denying things like this, I have always had secondary issues with my scalp that have exacerbated my hair loss , Seborrhoeic dermatitis, scalp itch, shedding, Telogen Effluvium and an intolerance of sls, but the point is I also have genetic male pattern hair loss, and both need to be treated in tandem, its not enough to merely treat one of them and forget about the other. People having success with regimes like topical zinc & B6 are proclaiming that they are using it to treat male pattern baldness but in all probability their success is down to controlling those secondary issues and not aggressive male pattern baldness in itself.
 
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I think that a current issue being looked at though has to do with whether inflammation might exacerbate hair loss not so much because it causes hair loss but because it is part of a sebum feed-back mechanism in which bacteria and yeast essentially pollute the follicles with toxins that they excrete after consuming as much sebum as they can but regrowth itself might also cause inflammation leading to shedding and those might be two different sorts of inflammation experiences, one positive in terms of benevolent shedding and the other full of free radicals or some conjectured reaction that makes baldness either progress or go into a runaway state.

We don't know jack about Telogen Effluvium, compared to inflammation, compared to male pattern baldness, compared to DUPA but they all seem to be associated with DHT except for the inflammation apparently caused by follicles expanding in diameter which is a shed trigger due to the mismatched hair. With all of the cancer patients who could use hair for non-vain reasons, you would think that there would be more study but I am shocked by the lack of hard data with respond to hormonal hair loss and steroidal effects on humans in terms of consistently measured/encountered bodily change.
I would have thought a fair amount of the very young guys on sites like these don't actually have male pattern baldness. they are just experiencing excessive hair fall due to other factors, they are then posting on forums like these and being diagnosed by other 18-25 year old ''zoomer hair loss guru's'', when actually if could locate the cause of their excessive hair fall, they are likely to be able to maintain without the need for actual aggressive adult male pattern hair loss treatments.
 
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Hi, yes I'm not denying things like this, I have always had secondary issues with my scalp that have exacerbated my hair loss , Seborrhoeic dermatitis, scalp itch, shedding, Telogen Effluvium and an intolerance of sls, but the point is I also have genetic male pattern hair loss, and both need to be treated in tandem, its not enough to merely treat one of them and forget about the other. People having success with regimes like topical zinc & B6 are proclaiming that they are using it to treat male pattern baldness but in all probability their success is down to controlling those secondary issues and not aggressive male pattern baldness in itself.
Yes and many of us who did start to, at least to ourselves, bald early probably are in a different category in terms of whether something marginal like Keto or topical minoxidil might help us on our slowish, steady progression towards being noticeably bald, if not quite a "bald guy". For me, with meds, it was 30 years but for some of these young guys, it is almost like bam and it's over before they knew what hit them and rampant baldness might just outrun pretty much all treatments.

You have to want this. The young guys exclaiming "I have to use this or take this for life?"--should account for this lifelong hassle aspect in their internal calculations about what's worth it for hair because I have done all of these things for years and years plus now two years of microneedling, essentially continuous, copious research since I was young which I could halt mostly during my finasteride/duta years where they were at top strength but the last two years, I have essentially thrown myself into learning everything about male pattern baldness and hormonal hair loss and finding out whether different doses of different things or microneedling and HRT were going to be a reality or just another nice idea that went nowhere similar to prostaglandins.
 

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Yes and many of us who did start to, at least to ourselves, bald early probably are in a different category in terms of whether something marginal like Keto or topical minoxidil might help us on our slowish, steady progression towards being noticeably bald, if not quite a "bald guy". For me, with meds, it was 30 years but for some of these young guys, it is almost like bam and it's over before they knew what hit them and rampant baldness might just outrun pretty much all treatments.

You have to want this. The young guys exclaiming "I have to use this or take this for life?"--should account for this lifelong hassle aspect in their internal calculations about what's worth it for hair because I have done all of these things for years and years plus now two years of microneedling, essentially continuous, copious research since I was young which I could halt mostly during my finasteride/duta years where they were at top strength but the last two years, I have essentially thrown myself into learning everything about male pattern baldness and hormonal hair loss and finding out whether different doses of different things or microneedling and HRT were going to be a reality or just another nice idea that went nowhere similar to prostaglandins
Yes that's why alot of this you have to work out for yourself, its actually very difficult to say for others 100% what is the best course of action for them to take, even derm's are essentially using a try this and see if it helps approach.
 
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Yes and many of us who did start to, at least to ourselves, bald early probably are in a different category in terms of whether something marginal like Keto or topical minoxidil might help us on our slowish, steady progression towards being noticeably bald, if not quite a "bald guy". For me, with meds, it was 30 years but for some of these young guys, it is almost like bam and it's over before they knew what hit them and rampant baldness might just outrun pretty much all treatments.
I think one of the good things about having hair loss before propecia was released and the internet was popular, was it did make do your own detective work about what you could do to make your scalp condition healthier and what supplements could be used to improve hair condition or shedding. I think alot of the young guys these days just expect instant results and are on a way too heavy stack, too early, when often you need to approach the problem from multiple angles over years rather than a one size fits all sledge hammer approach.
 
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I think one of the good things about having hair loss before propecia was released and the internet was popular, was it did make do your own detective work about what you could do to make your scalp condition healthier and what supplements could be used to improve hair condition or shedding. I think alot the young guys these days just expect instant results when often you need to approach the problem from multiple angles over years rather than a one size fits all approach.
I locked myself in the dusty library stacks going through microfilm and microfiche for 48 hours after I first noticed and I discovered the solution. Literally only one thing worked, estrogen, so I gathered up my courage and my $75 to see the dermatologist to get a prescription for estrogen and talk about gatekeeping. He patted me on the head, with no RX coming and said, "just man up"; please pay the receptionist at the door. In terms of regrowth, back in 1984, I was right about estrogen and not much has changed in terms of regrowth but we did later that year start to see cable informercials for polysorbate 80 and 60, which for me and others, appeared to work a lot like Keto presumably does. That's why I noticed your comment because my hair did seem to either get marginally better or to at least stop worsening so quickly and it must have had to do with inflammation relief and removing sebum deposits so they weren't available as food. Regrowth at best was typical topical minoxidil regrowth so nothing cosmetically significant. The guy on the infomercial went from NW7 to a bad mostly comb-over but we had nothing else.

I still recommend them over say, Castor Oil, and for people with no RX, they are worth trying. Amazon and health food stores have them cheap. I also bring it up because before I started using polysorbates, I had very typical finasteride sides 'cept we didn't have fnasteride or even minoxidil then. Baldness will mess with your mind and your confidence and cause anxiety and impotence. Most of us get some of those effects anyway so might as well try finasteride and not think that taking one pill will castrate you or make you Jayne Mansfield in terms of gyno but people in a "loser state of mind" are set up to expect the worse. Anyway, off my soapbox but the time pressure makes all of this difficult if not dangerous for young males. Most of the usual advice about family tree and all of that is a waste of time and I don't bother answering questions from guys who come on here, well, less so, asking for an analysis while stating upfront that they have Telogen Effluvium or have been diagnosed with Telogen Effluvium. I am not a doctor so why ask me but all's Janey knows is that the joyful Telogen Effluvium, everything will be all right in six months diagnosis is 99 percent of the time wishful thinking by the person or by the doctor in terms of "not wanting to unduly" worry someone about hair loss.
 
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I still recommend them over say, Castor Oil, and for people with no RX, they are worth trying. Amazon and health food stores have them cheap. I also bring it up because before I started using polysorbates, I had very typical finasteride sides 'cept we didn't have fnasteride or even minoxidil then. Baldness will mess with your mind and your confidence and cause anxiety and impotence. Most of us get some of those effects anyway so might as well try finasteride and not think that taking one pill will castrate you or make you Jayne Mansfield in terms of gyno but people in a "loser state of mind" are set up to expect the worse. Anyway, off my soapbox but the time pressure makes all of this difficult if not dangerous for young males. Most of the usual advice about family tree and all of that is a waste of time and I don't bother answering questions from guys who come on here, well, less so, asking for an analysis while stating upfront that they have Telogen Effluvium or have been diagnosed with Telogen Effluvium. I am not a doctor so why ask me but all's Janey knows is that the joyful Telogen Effluvium, everything will be all right in six months diagnosis is 99 percent of the time wishful thinking by the person or by the doctor in terms of "not wanting to unduly" worry someone about hairloss.
Im 22 years old and have slow but clear recession at my temples, is there anything i can do to slow down balding that isnt a cope? Tried finasteride and reacted not so well on it, are there alternatives?
 

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Im 22 years old and have slow but clear recession at my temples, is there anything i can do to slow down balding that isnt a cope? Tried finasteride and reacted not so well on it, are there alternatives?
What is a cope exactly? Like a treatment that you take that you know isn't as good and it doesn't turn out to be effective? Hair loss in the front has its only special challenges. If it halts, then you can end up like Sting and still have really nice hair everywhere else and the cosmetic significant is lessened. A lot of anchormen seem to have hair like this. Somehow frontal hair loss seems to convey wisdom and charm if it stops so that one can still have a semblance of a side part. In the crown, hair loss tends to impart a look of avuncularity which no one wants, meaning you look like an older uncle.

Minoxidil tends not to work on the temples, nor does much else except microneedling perhaps but without finasteride, microneedling is useless. What I would say is go microdose and then gradually titrate. Sides often go away or turn out to be non-existent. It really was just a headache or you really did just have an off day in chemistry class and nothing to do with finasteride. I am on both finasteride and duta currently and have been since 2015 and I can't even tell that I am on them and they are mostly irrelevant for me except as maintenance and maintenance is the whole game when you still have most of your hair like you do or I do again. Regrowth is always iffy and all but impossible to achieve to the point where it is cosmetically significant. Many on HRT do regrow hair but if they are in a female context, they rarely grow enough hair to ditch their wigs.

So you are right to be pensive about this and think things over well cause you might not get a second chance. Sort of like my marriage deadpans Janey to lighten the mood. I just always loved my hair so much that it would have taken a lot of sides with no alternative for me not to use min/finasteride but I never had any sides, not ever any regrowth but just maintenance for years and years. So the older pic is when I was almost 51 with a visible permanent incipient bald spot not visible from the front and only marginally visible in the "best lighting" but that's not what I wanted and if you want anything close to your best hair, it's a long-road to hoe so some people should give up if their expectations are wrong. My hair and it being long was tied up with my gender aspect irrevocably to the point where hair still matters more to me than gender but my treatments seem to restore youth as well so I am hawking a whole different thing.
 

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Regrowth at best was typical topical minoxidil regrowth so nothing cosmetically significant. The guy on the infomercial went from NW7 to a bad mostly comb-over but we had nothing else.
I always thought minoxidil was a bit of a joke in the late 90's with all the adverts etc, I used it for a few years prior to finasteride but never noticed anything, I was actually really surprised when I looked at this site this year, for the first time in about a decade and saw guys had got significant regrowth by adding micro needling
 
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What is a cope exactly?
think in that context he means something that will actually work rather than just hope.

but in Columbidae Zoomer speak it also means:

Cope
''In original definition, 'Cope' means someone who is creating an psychological defence of a more lighter belief to deal with a harsh truth.

However, it could easily be used and misinterpretated by online trolls, usualy from Discord or Reddit, in an attempt to convey mockery, trolling, defaminate and insulting, usualy those people have pathetic lives so they spend it tossing this word and insult/mock others to feed their superiority complex in online chats and/or forums''.
 
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Beautiful things can happen on this forum. @20YearsOnFin finally found love, you'll make a lovely couple with @JaneyElizabeth
Yes, that would be an hilarious comment if it wasn't for the fact, you don't even realize when you are being set up,

do you not think its a slight coincidence that janey elizebeth suddenly pops over here after months, after seeing your attempt at winning an argument fall flat for the umpteenth time, and then post randomly?

Or do you think its because she knows you cant stand her posts and she did it to wind you up?

And Why do you think my entire tone of writing shifts from being combative to all of a sudden being in 100% agreement when im replying to somebody I know you hate?

It must be great to live in a world, oblivious to the fact you are being constantly mocked, but at some point you really need to move out from your parents basement, and get some actual experiences in life, instead of drawing all this satisfaction from being a pretend Messiah to a bunch of other incels.
 
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Yes, that would be and hilarious comment if it wasn't for the fact, you don't even realize when you are being set up,

do you not think its a slight coincidence that janey elizebeth suddenly pops over here after months, after seeing your attempt at winning an argument fall flat for the umpteenth time, and then post randomly?

Or do you think its because she knows you cant stand her posts and she did it to wind you up?

And Why do you think my entire tone of writing shifts from being combative to all of a sudden being in 100% agreement when im replying to somebody I know you hate?

It must be great to live in a world, oblivious to the fact you are being constantly mocked, but at some point you really need to move out from your parents basement, instead of drawing all this satisfaction from being a pretend Messiah to a bunch of other incels.
Hahaha! The meltdown continues, I knew you would get extremely triggered by that silly joke. Just proves again how immensely butthurt you are.

Please continue your irrational diatribe and keep deluding yourself you won any argument here, the hormonal pills you're taking for decades have really damaged your cognitive functions old man.

And send me a wedding invitation when you guys are going to marry!
 

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I knew you would get extremely triggered by that silly joke
Jesus!..., Are you really that obtuse? do I have to spell it out for you? im not triggered by the joke, I have already intentionally handed you that joke,

its a lead, Can you not grasp the fact, that I know that being nice to tranny online will set me up for that joke?

Its easyer to write my answers if I already know what your reply's will be before you are actually making them.
 
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In all honestly why have you spent the last four years of your life on here posting 4363 messages?
Time goes past fast, I can't believe you value your time so little by wasting it, posting on here.
 
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In all honestly why have you spent the last four years of your life on here posting 4363 messages?
Time goes past fast, I can't believe you value your time so little by wasting it, posting on here.
Some people have the luxury to have time and money my old friend. I also get countless messages asking for advice and I like to help them out.

And you're right time goes by fast, you're a reminder to everyone not to end up like you; a sad old man almost hitting 50 fanatically defending his hairloss hormonal treatment with his life on the internet. Don't you have a family to support by now instead of making a fool out of yourself here?
 

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Why is everything you write the exact opposite of the truth?

Some people have the luxury to have time and money my old friend.
This makes no sense though, People like myself who have both time and money would never waste four years of our youth on a online forum.
when there are so much better things to do in the world.
I also get countless messages asking for advice and I like to help them out.
You don't have any of the answers , you can't even control your own hairloss.
sad old man almost hitting 50 fanatically defending his hairloss hormonal treatment with his life on the internet.
I don't have a life on the internet, you are mistaking me for somebody like yourself who posts 4363 messages in four years instead of spending his 20-30's everyday socializing in the real world
 
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