considering a topical option for early hairline thinning

[savemyhair]

Hi everyone,

Been lurking on this board for a little while. First started noticing some thinning along my hairline around November last year. I'm not very far along, but its still becoming a bit of a preoccupation for me and I've been going back and forth thinking about a course of action to take.

On a recent trip to my GP, I talked to him about it and he wrote me a prescription for Propecia. I asked him "what about sides?" and he said there weren't any. Having done a bit of research myself, I know better than that. Anyway, I haven't filled the prescription and am generally pretty against the idea of finasteride at the moment (and freaked about altering my hormones that way).

I also asked about Rogaine and the GP totally blew it off telling me its messy and a pain and if I spill any on my forehead, hair will start growing there! (LOL, but he really said that). But upon more reflection, rogaine doesn't seem like what I really want right now anyway... my hairline has moved up a little, but my hair is still thick everywhere else. If I could just halt the loss or slow it down significantly, I'd be happy. I don't actually have a sense for how fast its even happening. I don't really notice any abnormal shedding or anything. If I had to guess, I'd say its pretty slow so far.

ANYHOW (sorry about the long preamble)

I've been giving some consideration to trying out some kind of topical solution. The area I want to work on is really small (just the hairline), so I feel like it wouldn't take any great effort to apply at night. SO, the options that have come up in my poring over the board are:

REVIVOGEN

or

TOPICAL spironolactone

Like many on here, I have a healthy does of skepticism for these, but after learning a little about the science behind hair loss, the rationale behind these treatments DOES kind of make sense to me.

Would anyone like to weigh in on either of these? Revivogen is very readily available (amazon!). Is topical spironolactone something I could likely find at a dermatologist's office? I've seen threads where people are using both, but it seems reasonable to try one alone first. Would love to hear some feedback.

Thanks.

 

[2020]

Both of these drugs should help stabalise your hairloss and possibly some regrowth. I would not count on it with revivogen or spironolactone.

huh?? what's wrong with spironolactone? It may not be as effective as finasteride but it does block androgens

 

[Throne]

2020 wrote:

huh?? what's wrong with spironolactone? It may not be as effective as finasteride but it does block androgens

My point is its nowhere near as effective as finasteride and ideally should not be used as a stand alone treatment.

I agree with Ben, topical spironolactone on its own is a mild AA at best. It might work for you seeing as you state that you're still at the early stages of hair loss. But if your family has a history of male pattern baldness, I'd recommend opting for stronger ways of treatment. I used spironolactone for a year and it never did anything for me.

Either way, some people on here (from what I've read anyway) say that they have experienced sides from using topical spironolactone. Just a precaution.

 

[abcdefg]

Its a tough decision on one hand you want to do something since regrowing lots of hair is impossible at the moment, but changing hormone levels does not seem like a good idea to anyone with any sense. There is the option of doing nothing and waiting for a few years if you can for a safer alternative to propecia or trying a topical which probably will not work.
Overall I agree if you have strong family history and want your hair start with propecia. Otherwise choice is yours with no right answer.

 

[Bryan]

I've been giving some consideration to trying out some kind of topical solution. The area I want to work on is really small (just the hairline), so I feel like it wouldn't take any great effort to apply at night. SO, the options that have come up in my poring over the board are:

REVIVOGEN

or

TOPICAL spironolactone

Like many on here, I have a healthy does of skepticism for these, but after learning a little about the science behind hair loss, the rationale behind these treatments DOES kind of make sense to me.

Would anyone like to weigh in on either of these? Revivogen is very readily available (amazon!). Is topical spironolactone something I could likely find at a dermatologist's office? I've seen threads where people are using both, but it seems reasonable to try one alone first. Would love to hear some feedback.

I would have a certain amount of skepticism for just those two substances used ALONE, too, but there are probably better alternatives. One would be prescription Proxiphen, a topical cream designed by a doctor who's been working in this area for decades. It's expensive, but may be the best single product available to treat hair loss (the doctor who designed it says it's more effective than Propecia). A cheaper alternative would be his non-prescription "Prox-N", which may be all you need. It has some of the same ingredients as Proxiphen, although none of the prescription drugs.

 

[Jacob]

I would have a certain amount of skepticism for just those two substances used ALONE, too, but there are probably better alternatives. One would be prescription Proxiphen, a topical cream designed by a doctor who's been working in this area for decades. It's expensive, but may be the best single product available to treat hair loss (the doctor who designed it says it's more effective than Propecia). A cheaper alternative would be his non-prescription "Prox-N", which may be all you need. It has some of the same ingredients as Proxiphen, although none of the prescription drugs.

And Bryan is still shilling the crap. There is no evidence for a damn thing he said there about Prox or Prox-N. Or what the "doctor" said.

Ya know..I could swear some other spam posts by other posters were deleted. After everything that has been said/pointed out by me and others..if you STILL think Bryan isn't shilling/spamming :shakehead: (Freedem of speech doesn't cut it..if others cannot do the same).

See these other threads:

http://www.hairlosstalk.com/interact/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=71068&st=0&sk=t&sd=a

http://www.hairlosstalk.com/interact/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=71087&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=10

 

[Jacob]

Its a tough decision on one hand you want to do something since regrowing lots of hair is impossible at the moment, but changing hormone levels does not seem like a good idea to anyone with any sense. There is the option of doing nothing and waiting for a few years if you can for a safer alternative to propecia or trying a topical which probably will not work.
Overall I agree if you have strong family history and want your hair start with propecia. Otherwise choice is yours with no right answer.

I think if he's just starting out and not losing much and doesn't want to use minoxidil..it wouldn't hurt to use some "natural" or non-minoxidil containing topical(s). Besides the ones mentioned...there are tons of others- DS Labs has a bunch...Lamas and Andalou are natural ones...Dermatopoietin and DermaHeal are on the pricey side- the former only needing to be applied 4 days in a row then 6 days off. Crescina and Phyto seem to have some good ones. Bioclin/Stimucap. Rhonda Allison. On and on. Research research research!

 

[Bryan]

And Bryan is still shilling the crap. There is no evidence for a damn thing he said there about Prox or Prox-N. Or what the "doctor" said.

Oh, there's PLENTY of evidence for Proxiphen and Prox-N: the vast, decades-long experience of Dr. Proctor. Sorry if you don't believe him, but that's your problem. I'll take the word of a doctor (and a PhD) over YOUR word, any day.

Ya know..I could swear some other spam posts by other posters were deleted. After everything that has been said/pointed out by me and others..if you STILL think Bryan isn't shilling/spamming :shakehead: (Freedem of speech doesn't cut it..if others cannot do the same).

Sorry if you think I'm "shilling" (neither of my two dictionaries has anything that seems to explain what you think that word actually means), but I think the Original Poster needs to be made aware of all the possible treatments which might help him. The ones I told him about (Proxiphen and Prox-N) are important examples.

 

[Jacob]

The original poster needs to be aware that you've been pushing Proctor's crap for well over 15 years.

And Bryan is still shilling(" A shill, plant or stooge is a person who helps a person or organization without disclosing that he or she has a close relationship with that person or organization. " & "a person who publicizes or praises something or someone for reasons of self-interest, personal profit, or friendship or loyalty.") the crap. There is no evidence for a damn thing he said there about Prox or Prox-N. Or what the "doctor" said. Nor has Bryan used the crap himself(supposedly) in well over 10 years.

You will notice Bryan running around practically DEMANDING evidence from others on products/claims(see the one example below) yet we're supposed to just believe Dr. Proctor. Dr. Lee was one of Bryan's targets over the many years- so much for "I'll take the word of a doctor (and a PhD) over YOUR word, any day."

Ya know..I could swear some other spam posts by other posters were deleted. After everything that has been said/pointed out by me and others..if you STILL think Bryan isn't shilling/spamming :shakehead: (Freedem of speech doesn't cut it..if others cannot do the same).

See these other threads:

http://www.hairlosstalk.com/interact/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=71068&st=0&sk=t&sd=a

http://www.hairlosstalk.com/interact/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=71087&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=10


Bryan said:

Agreed. Let's wait for clinical trials published in a medical journal (even just ONE such trial), before assuming that it grows any hair at all on human heads.

This was on Nanoxidil..it was in response to

Your paying double for something for which you have no idea wether its effective or not.

You can see that here: http://www.hairlosstalk.com/interact/viewtopic.php?f=42&p=661321

http://www.hairlosstalk.com/interact/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=71087&start=40

 

[Bryan]

The original poster needs to be aware that you've been pushing Proctor's crap for well over 15 years.

And Bryan is still shilling(" A shill, plant or stooge is a person who helps a person or organization without disclosing that he or she has a close relationship with that person or organization. " & "a person who publicizes or praises something or someone for reasons of self-interest, personal profit, or friendship or loyalty.") the crap.

I am none of those things. I recommend Dr. Proctor's products because of their effectiveness, especially for people with difficult isssues to address: nasty side effects from certain products, or can't use most other products, or simply need something that works better than Rogaine or Propecia.

There is no evidence for a damn thing he said there about Prox or Prox-N. Or what the "doctor" said. Nor has Bryan used the crap himself(supposedly) in well over 10 years.

I've told you many times about the reasons to accept Proxiphen and Prox-N, but the hatred and animosity you have for Dr. Proctor blinds you into not believing him. That's sad! It's not just you yourself that you're hurting, but also other people, like the Original Poster of this thread.

You will notice Bryan running around practically DEMANDING evidence from others on products/claims(see the one example below) yet we're supposed to just believe Dr. Proctor. Dr. Lee was one of Bryan's targets over the many years- so much for "I'll take the word of a doctor (and a PhD) over YOUR word, any day."

I seldom ever challenge another doctor to provide proof or documentation of something he says. A rare exception to that would be Dr. Lee, who has claimed, based on nothing more convincing that the Stamatiadis study, that azelaic acid works as a topical 5a-reductase inhibitor. That's just about the ONLY thing that Dr. Lee has said that I object to. I don't tell people not to use his products, I just tell them that topical azelaic acid doesn't work. For your information, even Dr. Proctor has recommended to people in the past that they use Dr. Lee's versions of topical minoxidil (except the ones with azelaic acid, of course), because of their pleasant cosmetic qualities.

What shows everybody how dishonest you are is the degree to which you attack Dr. Proctor, and yet you just can't admit that there's no similar problem on my end, with Dr. Lee.

Bryan said:

Agreed. Let's wait for clinical trials published in a medical journal (even just ONE such trial), before assuming that it grows any hair at all on human heads.

This was on Nanoxidil..it was in response to [quote:235ucsn9]Your paying double for something for which you have no idea wether its effective or not.

You can see that here: http://www.hairlosstalk.com/interact/viewtopic.php?f=42&p=661321[/quote:235ucsn9]

Yet another one of your sleazy deceptions! At the current time, there are no studies showing that "nanoxidil" grows hair on human scalps. More importantly, neither are there any humans (doctors or scientists) who make such a claim, or claim to have seen it work for that purpose. So you point out that there are no studies pointing to the use of such things as NANO, even though I've told you REPEATEDLY that Dr. Proctor has used NANO for years to grow hair. The things I point out about "nanoxidil" are simple facts, unlike the ridiculous things you say about NANO.

 

[ukmale24]

definitely get on finasteride. don't use minoxidil without it.

 

[Jacob]

I am none of those things. I recommend Dr. Proctor's products because of their effectiveness, especially for people with difficult isssues to address: nasty side effects from certain products, or can't use most other products, or simply need something that works better than Rogaine or Propecia.

Yes, you are. There is no EVIDENCE for their effectiveness. There is no EVIDENCE that it works better than Rogain or Propecia. You have been pushing this crap for 15+ years while asking OTHERS for EVIDENCE for their products/claims..bashing them and even the ppl/docs behind them. There are TONS of other products one could use to avoid "nasty side effects" etc. Everything you just said there are more examples of what a shill/spammer says/does.

I've told you many times about the reasons to accept Proxiphen and Prox-N, but the hatred and animosity you have for Dr. Proctor blinds you into not believing him. That's sad! It's not just you yourself that you're hurting, but also other people, like the Original Poster of this thread.

And your reasons are pure shill'n 'n spamming. If there's any "hatred and animosity" it has to do with Dr. Proctor coming here and posting in a thread about Dr. Lee being shut down..obviously trying to drum up more business for himself. But it matters not if someone has "hatred and animosity" towards him, if there is no EVIDENCE for the claims being made! What's sad is you spamming these forums for 15+ years with the same crap over and over and over again. Pointing this stuff out is only HELPING folks like the original poster in this thread. I hope he researches the heck out of things before jumping on anything.

I seldom ever challenge another doctor to provide proof or documentation of something he says. A rare exception to that would be Dr. Lee, who has claimed, based on nothing more convincing that the Stamatiadis study, that azelaic acid works as a topical 5a-reductase inhibitor. That's just about the ONLY thing that Dr. Lee has said that I object to. I don't tell people not to use his products, I just tell them that topical azelaic acid doesn't work. For your information, even Dr. Proctor has recommended to people in the past that they use Dr. Lee's versions of topical minoxidil (except the ones with azelaic acid, of course), because of their pleasant cosmetic qualities.

You not only challenge doctors..you challenge ANYONE when the opportunity arises to do so. And it's hypocritical to do so, when the same kind of evidence/proof cannot be provided for Dr. P/your claims on Proctor's products/ingredients. Just look at your example there with Dr. Lee. What he has is STILL more than you've ever provided for P-crap. You "don't tell people not to use his products". That's FUNNY. Calling Xandrox "bogus" and everything else..questioning Dr Lee..etc. You're definitely trying to pursuade ppl not to use his products.

What shows everybody how dishonest you are is the degree to which you attack Dr. Proctor, and yet you just can't admit that there's no similar problem on my end, with Dr. Lee.

"What shows.." :dunno: Actually there is a similar problem on your end, with Dr. Lee. And it's worse. Because you've been doing it for years and years and years and years. And you're the one running around saying Prox and NANO are the OBVIOUS choices..while doing so.

Yet another one of your sleazy deceptions! At the current time, there are no studies showing that "nanoxidil" grows hair on human scalps. More importantly, neither are there any humans (doctors or scientists) who make such a claim, or claim to have seen it work for that purpose. So you point out that there are no studies pointing to the use of such things as NANO, even though I've told you REPEATEDLY that Dr. Proctor has used NANO for years to grow hair. The things I point out about "nanoxidil" are simple facts, unlike the ridiculous things you say about NANO.

You're the sleazy one..once again. There are NO STUDIES showing that NANO does SQUAT! You can keep saying that Dr. Proctor has used NANO for years to grow hair until the day you die- it means NOTHING. Dr. ______ from ANY company can make such claims. Dr Lee probably did . And a placebo can grow fricken hair! Quit the crap..quit being such a hypocrite. Also..who's to say DS LABs scientists aren't the ones making the claims?

See these other threads:

http://www.hairlosstalk.com/interact/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=71068&st=0&sk=t&sd=a

http://www.hairlosstalk.com/interact/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=71087&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=10

 

[Bryan]

Jacob, I'm not going to keep wasting my time by arguing with you. You didn't even answer what I said in my last paragraph about nanoxidil; you just ignored it.

 

[Jacob]

It's probably better that you don't :woot:

There's no "answer" because there's no question. I pointed out that your whining about no evidence/studies for Nanoxidil is laughable..since there's none for NANO or anything else exclusive to Proctor. As I said: There are NO STUDIES showing that NANO does SQUAT! You can keep saying that Dr. Proctor has used NANO for years to grow hair until the day you die- it means NOTHING. Dr. ______ from ANY company can make such claims. Dr Lee probably did . And a placebo can grow fricken hair! Quit the crap..quit being such a hypocrite. Also..who's to say DS LABs scientists aren't the ones making the claims?

And if you're going to "argue" again anyway..on just that part...I'm just going to repost my previous post again.

 

[abcdefg]

My problem is I am not sadly not a millionare so I want my hair, but I am only willing to waste so much money. None of them have any major proof they do anything at all, but they all share one thing in common they are all very expensive.