ashley&Martin/Advanced Hair studio, my experience(Austra

gonna_win

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Ive figured ive got male pattern baldness and im gonna see a dermatologist ASAP and get on the best possible treatement. I went to Advanced hair studio, then Ashley Martin, on the same day and here is how the story goes.

I went in and got the 'Free Hair Check' They requested my full Name Contact Number. Then i went in and saw the person. Now to the average person walk past, it does not appear as if i am losing my hair, I have long hair and it's not really noticable yet. The person(who i believe was a salesman) had a very quick look at my hair, he just brushed it aside for a second and said that Advacned hair stuio's was more for men that are in the advanced stages of hair loss (he pointed to a photo of what i would describe as a person with a norwood 4, althought he did not mention anything about the norwood scale)
He said that they did have some product's, in their words "like rogaine but much better"

Mostly they used laser surgury and that started at $7000 and he did not think that i needed that. He then recomended that i go to a trichologist, for a mineral analysis which cost around $60 for the consultation and $150 for a mineral analysis. They gave me a pamphlet for the Australian trichology Centre add told me to tell the people that this person from advanced hair sent me.

Note: The pamphlet was a folded up photocopied pamphlet, which looked a bid suspicious especially from so called 'medical experts' i since have gone to see my gp(doctor) to get a refferal to see a dermatologist. I showed him the pamphlet and he laughed. He told me that a trichologist is not a qualified doctor, They are not medical specialists in the traditional sence. You do not need a refferal from your gp(doctor) to see one of these people. They come under the heading of 'alternative therapy's'

Also it appeared to the person at advanced hair that i wasn't even suffering from male pattern baldness...well as far as they were concerned. Now i know for certain that i have male pattern baldness, you can't really tell unless i have my hair pulled back(but i have my hair forward so it's not noticable) . I would consider myself in between a norwood 2 and 3, but this person was only a salesman and did't notice.


I got the free consultation and saw the salesman. They requested quite alot of details such as address, phone, age, dob(why both?) etc etc which i thought was rather unnecessary.
In thier room they have this thing that you put wine in it looks like a stool but skinny and with no top to sit on, insted it has a hole which a silver coloured bucket it's in, and in there you put a bottle of win with ice and it looks neat . The bucket had water in it and the person put there hand's in as if to clean them and then wiped thier hand's on a white cloth. The person then had a 20cm(8-9 inch) metal stick which they used to examine my hair. The person had a good look and then used to mirror to show me my temple where the hair line was receding and thinner hairs were growing. The person then pulled out the norwood chart and told me that i am in between a norwood 2 and 3.
The salesman told me that they can but me on what their words was an '8 month program' plus i would have to use other products for the rest of my life. At this point the salesman explained what male pattern baldness is and i explained that i already understand how it works at whic point they stopped. The person told me i would have to take some shampoo's and herbal tablets. This would cost $1200 upfront or $1500 in two payments. then it would cost around $500 a year after. They told me that Rogain did not work. He also recomeneded that i should not undergo surgury at this early stage.

Note: The person told me that they were absolutly sure that they could have my hair back and they the person them selfs was on the treatment, They were very pushy and used car salesman like. They became vague and hesitant when i asked them what did the treatment consist of and decliend to tell me the ingrediant's of the product's but they did tell me that minoxidil was in one of them, which i believe contradict's the point they made earlier which was that rogain did not work.


To sum up, These people are not doctors they are salesman, i do not know if their treatment's work or not because i have never used them. I think(not know) that it would be best to see a dermatologist(qualified doctor) which is what i am going to do and get this sorted ASAP!
 

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Hey there, Sorry if i was seemd to be having a go at your business, I did not mean to. I do not know if your products work or not and i do not claim to as i have not tried them. I was simply giving my opinion of what happend when i visited your store.

P.S Why are your talking about DHT, hair folicles etc etc? This is information nearly everyone here knows about and is covered on this site and may others?
 

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bonric said:
I dont understand why you are bagging Ashley and Martin if they are selling 7% minoxidil (.01% retinoic acid) and Finasteride for a 8 month program for $1200. I would say that is very good value.
That's incredibly expensive. You can do the same thing yourself for about $275 US.

Minsaw-A: 7% minoxidil, retinoic acid -- $144 US plus shipping (4 bottles, each bottle lasts about two months, as they contain twice as much ml as the typical Pfizer Rogaine/Kirkland minoxidil bottle).

http://www.antiaging-systems.com/iassto ... nsawa.html

finasteride: 300 day supply, $105 US plus shipping, Dr. Reddy brand.

http://www.unitedpharmacies.com/custome ... inasteride

Figure that shipping adds another $25 (actually it's less than that). So your "good value" costs $1,200 compared to $275 or so, and you are providing 60 fewer finasteride pills. Both sites will sell these products without prescription and will export them. In the countries where these companies are located, prescriptions are not needed for these products, and most countries will allow users to import these products for personal use only. I have purchased from both companies (I'm in the US) with no problems. If you want to add laser treatments, purchase a laser comb for $645 (one time cost), use it forever, and you're still paying considerably less than what A&M charges for just 8 months.

Why do you think A&M provides a good value? Sounds like a rip-off to me.
 

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My visit at the Ashley & martin office in Sydney was highly unpleasant as well. The method of selling was EXTREMELY uncomfortable and very much like people selling time share appartments and other scams.

And yes, I am having a go at Ashley & Martin since I do not want to support companies who try to push people into buying their products - especially when the sales method is fear!

Please note that I've only been to the office in sydney and my experience and this post is based on this visit - I cannot comment on other branches of Ashley & Martin - although I have a feeling a visit to another branch would be the same....
 

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bonric said:
I dont understand why you are bagging Ashley and Martin if they are selling 7% minoxidil (.01% retinoic acid) and Finasteride for a 8 month program for $1200. I would say that is very good value.

My experience with Ashley and Martin had me paying $3400 for an 8 month program which contained 500ml of 7% minoxidil with .01% retinoic acid. Sorry but I just can't help but bag Ashely & Martin as I have absolutely no respect for these rip off merchants.
 

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Unnecessary middle men charging huge markups for readily and cheaply available products and freely available information.

Dr. Liz Lizzadsson PhD, MSc, MBA, NBA, XYZ. :wink:
 

KiLLuMiNaTi

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going to advanced hair is a waiste of time they use vitamins and cheap minoxidil and put you under some bullcrap laser ..in my opinion its witchcraft
 

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bonric said:
With regards to comments made about Ashley and Martin which some would be considered slanderous

Bullshit.

bonric said:
I propose that instead of a slagging off. How about contacting the company as your input would be greatly appreciated? http://www.ashleyandmartin.com.au then onto contacts us.

http://www.playboy.com/ offers a more rewarding experience. It's more aesthetically pleasing and much better jerk off material.


bonric said:
For the un-informed Ashley and Martin

So you admit that you're uninformed.

bonric said:
The medical director of Ashley and Martin is Dr Mario Terri; he is a qualified hair transplant surgeon and is a member of the International Society of Hair Restoration Society.

His parents must be proud.

bonric said:
I think that would make him very well suited to field any questions that you might want to throw at us.

I'd never heard of your company until five minutes ago. You offer nothing original -- nothing of any value. What research has been produced or funded by your organization?

[garbage snipped]
 

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bonric said:
With regards to comments made about Ashley and Martin which some would be considered slanderous

The purpose of this post and any of my previous posts is not to slander Ashley and Martin but to provide facts from my experiences and observations of Ashley and Martin and to warn any potential new customers of what they can expect if they visit an Ashley and Martin hair centre.

I have put this same post in three different threads about Ashley and Martin as bonric has done with his last post. Here are the links to all these threads …
http://www.hairlosstalk.com/discussions ... hp?t=15212
http://www.hairlosstalk.com/discussions ... hp?t=10767
http://www.hairlosstalk.com/discussions ... php?t=6766


Here’s what to expect for anyone who visits an Ashley and Martin Centre – you’ll get a hard sell from a Salesman who will offer you an $800 discount if you sign up now – the cost will be about $3400 (after the mythical $800 discount) for an 8 month program. Before you start the program you have to see a Doctor in order to get a prescription for Proscar & 7% Minoxidil with 0.01% Retinoic Acid (The Proscar & retinoic acid is what requires the prescription). Now you would expect that since they call themselves a “Medical Hair Centre†they would have a Doctor available to prescribe this – but they haven’t. I had to see a Doctor outside of Ashley and Martin, get a prescription, and then give it to the Salesman at Ashley and Martin. What sort of behavior is this from a “Medical Centre� I really wonder how many Doctors are employed by Ashley and Martin as during my time as a customer there I certainly didn’t meet any Doctors employed by Ashley and Martin. I’m guessing Dr Terri is the only Doctor at Ashley and Martin and this somehow gives them the right to call their other offices in Australia, NZ & the UK - “Medical Hair Centers “. Maybe bonric could answer this – exactly how many Doctors do Ashley and Martin employ?

Also during one of my visits to Ashley and Martin, the salesman tried to sell me a laser comb for $1500 NZD (about $1000 US) and blatantly said – “this is cheaper than buying one on the internetâ€.

bonric said:
If males spoke more openly about this condition and referred patients in then we could pass these savings onto the patient. This is why I like this forum.


I also like these forums and one of the many good things about it is that you can warn others about places like Ashley and Martin. I’ll admit that their treatments do work – however you can get the same results with a bit of knowledge and will save you at least 60% of what Ashley and Martin charge. Also, as a former customer, no way in hell would I refer anyone to Ashley and Martin. I simply don’t believe Ashley and Martin would pass on any savings to their customers.
 

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I’ll admit that their treatments do work – however you can get the same results with a bit of knowledge and will save you at least 60% of what Ashley and Martin charge.

I have been to Ashley & Martin and found the treatment (entirely similar to those outlined above) I found that, basically the treatment stopped my bhair loss getting worse and there was some regrowth. To prove that it worked- after I stopped I have begun to notice 9 or so months later my hair is thinning again. My big question with regards to the above quote is: Where do I indeed found the same products/ effectiveness as Ashley & Martin's treatment for much less cost - WHERE? - I live in Australia.

Looking forward to some responses.
 

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blueinca said:
I’ll admit that their treatments do work – however you can get the same results with a bit of knowledge and will save you at least 60% of what Ashley and Martin charge.

I have been to Ashley & Martin and found the treatment (entirely similar to those outlined above) I found that, basically the treatment stopped my bhair loss getting worse and there was some regrowth. To prove that it worked- after I stopped I have begun to notice 9 or so months later my hair is thinning again. My big question with regards to the above quote is: Where do I indeed found the same products/ effectiveness as Ashley & Martin's treatment for much less cost - WHERE? - I live in Australia.

Looking forward to some responses.

http://www.inhousepharmacy.com
 

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blueinca said:
My big question with regards to the above quote is: Where do I indeed found the same products/ effectiveness as Ashley & Martin's treatment for much less cost - WHERE? - I live in Australia.

When I finished with Ashley and Martin I just used Rogaine 5% and got another prescription for Proscar and this pretty much achieved what Ashley and Martin’s products had. Since November 2005 I have added Dr Lee's Xandrox 5% to my regimen which contains 0.025 RetinA - similar to A&Ms 7% with 0.01% RetinA combination. Xandrox is just as effective as A&M's stuff and a lot cheaper. Xandrox is available at http://www.minoxidil.com and I have had no problems getting it shipped to New Zealand. Here are the costs of my current regime in NZ Dollars - I got 12 Months supply of Rogaine 5% from http://www.cheaprogaine.com for $300 including postage (in actual fact this should last a lot longer than a year as I only use 1ml in the morning and 1ml of Xandrox at night). Xandrox 5% at approx $55 per month and Proscar at $150 for 4 months supply from any pharmacist (Im going to look at cheaper places to get Proscar than going to a Pharmacist).

If you really wanted the exact same 7% Minoxidil / 0.01% Retin-A combination that A&M have, you could just go to a Doctor and ask for a Prescription and get a Pharmacist to make it for you. My Doctor told me they could get a Pharmacist to do it for $120 per 100ml – not cheap but a lot cheaper than A&M charge.

Hope this answers your question – feel free to ask any others if you have any.
 

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Today i went into the ashley and martin center in melbourne and had a very strange experience! The man i spoke to was certainly not a doctor. He looked at my hair for about 15 seconds and started telling me how bad the situation was and the jumped straight into signing me up! When i asked how the program worked he quickly changed the subject and moved onto talking prices! He told me that the program would normally cost $3900 but i could have it for $3400 at first i thought this was a good deal but when i said i would have to think about it and come back he said the reduced price was a one time offer. This immediately made me feel like he was really pushing the sale and led me to think there was something he was hiding. And now i am very glad i did so, if i had decided to go back it would have cost me $3900 for the innitial 8 month progaram and then $30 a week after that untill i decided i was ready to die or have my6 hair fall out again. As i am only 23 and the average life expectancy of an australian male is 79 i have roughly 56 years left in this life, god willing, which meand on top of the $3900 i would have to pay $87360... i think i would rather put that towards a house or a sports car like most other balding middle aged men! if you actually read the post made by bonric he tells you exactly what the program consists of and in another post there are links to another webstite where you can buy the same products at a significantly lower price! I think anyone thinking about getting treatment should go and speak to ashley and martin but keep in mind what you have read here and in other post on this forum!
I will keep you updated on my progress with my own program!
 

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thanks for the heads up...visiting A&M for a consultation had crossed my mind but as i've suspected, these guys are no different to a used car salesman as you guys have shown.

with those outrageous prices these companies kinda remind of those dodgy dating agencies where people put down as much as $10k only to get ripped off.....ie both trying to take advantage of desperate men
 

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Just went to Ashley and Martin, Melbourne branch today. I must say I went there with some doubts in my head today as there are lots of scams out there. I came home with more doubts in my head...

This so called free consultation of theirs is nothing more than an opportunity for them to invite you out to charge you as much money as they can by manipulating you to impulsively buy their products, and to intimidate you to spend.

The venue for the consult was not professional at all, and I did not get to see any qualified health expert as I expected. It wasn't a consultation designed to explain hair loss and explore options based on your balding situation. Instead of a hair loss expert, I was greeted by an aggressive salesman. The whole time talking to this guy I felt I was negotiating business with him more than what people expect that he will listen to your story, your concerns and your preference for treatment.

To be honest my balding problem is not too obvious, although its scarce at the crown, but I have thick long hair and managed to cover up with a comb over. However the first thing the salesman said was "your problem is quite serious and we must do something now" few secs later he said "I'll brush aside your hair to see your problem". this is contradicting. If it was that bad, it would have been obvious and he shouldn't need to part my hair to see the problem.

Then he asked" I know you are a uni student, how are you able to afford the medication?" Straight away I knew this guy was only interested in how much he can make from me, not so much how he can really solve my problem. He gave away that he was a salesman.

Later he tried to explain what causes hairloss in a self contradicting way, and rather unprofessional, didnt even use any scientific terms like DDT and minoxidil. He only said "The stuff thats destroying your hair needs to be blocked by our products and if we don't do it now, the follicles under your skin will be gone and we cant replace it" i challenged him by saying "well my follicles must have died already, thats why hair aren't coming back and hair is now scarce, and how are you gonna bring it back?" he almost caughed at this point. "well there are follicles that arent dead yet..." At this point I knew this guy wasn't any hair expert, just a pretender.

I asked him apart from gels and shampoo do I need to take pills. he said yes. I asked him for their possible side effects. He said none, "they only block the stuff that kills your hair (DDT he meant)". I said I read that medication like propecia (pills) have serious permanent side effects if used for a long time, such as manboobs, erectile disfunction, impotence and low libido, and maybe even cancer. He said "that's not true, propecia CURES cancer!" at this point I am like wtf is this guy for real just a simple research on the net will confirm that propecia can cause cancer. He continued "well we don't use propecia, we use a better product that is STRONGER!" At this point I thought does this guy even have a soul? If it serves the same purpose as propecia than its like propecia. (just like you call it bandage I call it bandaid kinda thing - same stuff - and only STRONGER!) Doesn't take a genius to guess that their stronger stuff that's like propecia would possibly have more side effects. This guy effectively charging me to destroy myself.

He also said "if you could pay soon like today or tomorrow, we can put you on a guarantee that if this stuff don't work, we can forward your money to a hair transplant surgery." Hang on, there are many flaws of what he just said. Is he saying that the product that he's gonna charge 4k for has no guarantee? Also why cant he give me the same promise after tomorrow, is my hair gonna all fall out then or like the organisation is gonna break up so he can't promise me anything then? Wtf, he made no sense to me. But his intention was clear he only wanted to secure my money in his pocket asap.

Also he said that the products I have used are "across the counter products, hence useless, and he said A&M is using doctors prescribed medication". Just think about it, if a medication can be so easily sold by a salesman, do you really think they are prescribed? Precribed means a normal pharmacy would not want to take the blame if something is wrong with you after you've taken what they sold you, because of the risk and side effect hence they need a doctor's prescription, the Doctor need to measure up the cost and benefit and have your consent. This guy seems like a lier.

Lastly, this dude never blinks when he talked to me, keep staring straight through my eyes. I was a part time salesman before, and eye contact meant that you are sincere and confident about what you said. However the fact that his eye contact never ceased made it felt unnatural and awkward for me. I find it distracting my rational thinking. It also seems like he is trying to look he like he is 100% confident to cover up his BS. That was his last trick. I grinned at him, shook his hand and left.
 

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Yeah i've seen them advertised a lot here, and they sound all professional, but they're obviously bullsh!t. I considered visiting them a year ago, but i remember when i called up and asked a price for something, the few thousand dollars deterred me.
 

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I recently went with my bf (he is receding and thinning in early stages) to A&M and got the hard sell... now im not stupid but we decided to sign up with the salesman which now i realise was stupid after reading everything people have said about them... Now i want to know even though i have signed up and paid the first installment (havent had any treatments yet just got some shampoo etc) how do i get my money back and f*** these ppl off? haha I mean my bf really wants to grow his hair back and for it to not fall out anymore which i understand but if you can get the products through a doctor and pharmacy then why go through A&M?

any ideas what we should do? The salesman couldnt give me any info about the products said i had to talk to the doctor. Im sure they are even overcharging us what they charge other ppl (even though they said they were giving us a discount)

I am considering talking to them about cancelling the program but im worried i wont get the original $450 back. Please help...
 
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