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    Smile Folexen: New Hair Loss Treatment based on S-Equol

    Hi guys,

    First off I'd like to say that I work for a company that manufactures a nutraceutical formulation containing S-equol. The company is called Eclipse Nutraceuticals and the product is called Folexen. For those who are interested I will outline details of the product, the science behind S-equol, as well as it’s relevance for the treatment of androgenic alopecia.

    The currently accepted wisdom is that the cause of MPB is a genetic trait in some men that causes scalp follicles to miniaturise when exposed to the hormone DHT (dihydrotestosterone). DHT is produced when an enzyme called 5AR (5-alpha-reductase) acts upon testosterone and adds an electron to it. This chemical change results in DHT having different physiological effects upon the human body when compared to its parent testosterone.

    If I could speculate, I’d say that the root cause of MPB was a genetic expression that causes some of us to have 5AR active INSIDE our follicles, but dependant on location. That’d also explain why MPB happens in a certain pattern and not in a universal loss of hair. There is some indirect supportive evidence for this theory. [3][5]

    Serum DHT is not the issue since it is bound to ABP (Androgen-Binding Protein) and becomes less lipophilic and hence less able to cross the cell membrane into the follicle.

    Dutasteride and Finasteride work by inhibiting the action of 5AR so that its ability to convert T to DHT is hampered. These compounds work through a process of irreversible inhibition of the enzyme - they have the ability to modify the active region on the surface of 5AR, so the testosterone cannot use the enzyme. Thus the conversion becomes energetically unfavourable and less likely to occur. To be more precise, there are two types of 5AR. Finasteride targets type 2 while Dutasteride can inhibit type 1 in addition to type 2.

    For some men this will be enough to halt hair loss or even regrow hair over time. There are some side effects to inhibiting 5AR because the testosterone that isn’t being converted to DHT can trigger other hormonal responses in the body, as part of the natural hormonal feedback loop that we all have. Some men report lack of libido, erectile dysfunction or other side effects due to the increase in female hormones that are produced to counteract the higher levels of testosterone.

    Enzymatic inhibitors have a drawback in that, for some men, the recommended dosage might not be sufficient to deactivate all the 5AR without causing other problems. In other words everyone probably has a dosage level at which the medication will work, but for some people there are too many concomitant side effects for the treatment to be safe. Merck have shown that normal dose Propecia resulted in improvement for 77% of patients [4]. Presumably a different treatment is required for the remaining men.

    This is where S-equol can step up to the plate. It has a mode of action that is very different to the 5AR inhibitors. Instead of preventing the production of DHT, it binds strongly to the DHT molecules. When DHT has S-equol attached to it, it is no longer a form of 'free DHT', i.e. it cannot cause MPB because the molecule is no longer able to bind to receptor sites.

    The ability of S-equol to bind to DHT is very strong [1][2], which is good news for us. Theoretically there are sufficient levels of S-equol in serum, all the DHT can be mopped-up before it can cause damage, even the DHT that is inside hair follicles. S-equol is a small molecule, not a protein, so it has no problem crossing cell membranes.

    S-equol is formed in some individuals after consuming soy products. Scientists have been able to prove that various bacteria have the ability to transform a soy isoflavone (daidzein) into S-equol. It is theorised that people who are able to produce S-equol have an intestinal environment that supports the species of bacteria that allow this transformation to take place.

    If 5AR blockers are working for you then I am not going to recommend cessation of treatment. But anyone who is still looking for a solution might want to consider this product (visit http://folexen.com).

    Please let me know if you have any questions and I'll do my best to answer them for you!

    Take care,
    Andrew


    [1]: http://www.biolreprod.org/content/70/4/1188.full
    [2]: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21232127
    [3]: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9068725
    [4]: http://www.propecia.com/finasteride/...umer/index.jsp
    [5]: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8287580

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    I predict Folexen will fold in about 3 months

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    way too expensive.... 10mg/day is too little. We need to take 100mg/day minimum.

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    seriously guys this is pretty much the cure with no side effects... ALL ATTENTION TO EQUOL!

    The only problem with this stuff is its price... why so expensive after so many years?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TravisB View Post
    How could it work without side effects, if it doesn't allow DHT to bind to any receptor? If DHT couldn't bind where it's needed, then it's pretty much useless and will cause the same side effects that are caused by the lack of DHT, no?
    we dont know if sides are caused by lack of DHT...

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    Quote Originally Posted by #NoCure4thisSickness View Post
    You have my interest...

    How about international shipping costs?
    Hi NoCure. We just charge the standard airmail rate provided by the postal service. It's possible to get a quote for postage on the website before finalising an order.

    Example rates to the continental U.S.A:
    1 bottle > AUD 10.50
    5 bottles > AUD 17.25

    ..at the moment AUD ~ USD

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2020 View Post
    seriously guys this is pretty much the cure with no side effects... ALL ATTENTION TO EQUOL!

    The only problem with this stuff is its price... why so expensive after so many years?
    Hi 2020. I agree that it should be cheaper. However at the moment the commercial reality is that there are a lot of fixed costs involved in it's production. For example, machinery and lab test equipment.

    Hopefully there will be a point in the future where we can churn it out at $10 a bottle.. but those economies of scale are a way off yet. I daresay the big pharmas could produce it very cheaply but it would compete against their existing offerings and so they'd view it as counterproductive.

    Our evaluations have shown 10mg to be a fairly effective dose. 100mg would probably be even more effective (safety testing in Japan showed doses up to 320mg are OK) but then a one month supply would cost $400 which isn't affordable currently, but might be one day?

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    Hi Andrew,

    Your solution begs the question that if it binds to DHT such that the DHT can not bind to receptor sites then how do you know that it is side effect free? Have you done any trials? Could your product bind to all DHT because this would suppress even more than Finasteride (and is thus potentially more risky)?

    Any response greatly appreciated,

    Finner

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    Quote Originally Posted by TravisB View Post
    How could it work without side effects, if it doesn't allow DHT to bind to any receptor? If DHT couldn't bind where it's needed, then it's pretty much useless and will cause the same side effects that are caused by the lack of DHT, no?
    Hi TravisB. Good question, it's all down to how complicated and counterintuitive the endocrine system is!

    DHT is a more powerful androgen than T, but it acts on different areas to its parent hormone. Receptors mainly reside in places like hair follicles and the prostate. That's why some of the 5AR inihibitors are also good for preventing prostate enlargement.

    However.. preventing production of DHT is sometimes bad news because it's one of the pathways that the body uses to rid itself of excess T. When that extra T has nowhere to go, some of it gets turned into estradiol instead. The ultimate irony in this feedback loop is that being 'too much man' can lead to feminisation.

    If we allow DHT to be created but then block it's action, the potential for side effects is reduced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finner View Post
    Hi Andrew,

    Your solution begs the question that if it binds to DHT such that the DHT can not bind to receptor sites then how do you know that it is side effect free? Have you done any trials? Could your product bind to all DHT because this would suppress even more than Finasteride (and is thus potentially more risky)?

    Any response greatly appreciated,

    Finner
    there's a difference...

    5alpha-reductase inhibitors prevents DHT from being synthetisised, thus affecting at least one other hormone (testosterone).....

    equol binds to DHT molecules and inactivates them, thus preventing DHT from performing it's physiological roles in the body when it binds to ARs in different tissues.. personally I don't know if this will mean levels of other hormones will increase or decrease or stay the same.....there are a few studies though linked in the first post

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