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    Do fin side effects decrease with age?

    When I was 20 I got some pretty bad side effects from proscar and quit after about two weeks scare that I'd grow permanent man boobs. Now that i'm in my mid twenties, do you think the side effects would decrease?

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    Re: Do fin side effects decrease with age?

    I think a study needs to specifically done on guys taking finasteride at 18-30 (or maybe just 25)

    Many guys don't finish puberty until their early 20s. I find it unbelievable that doctors out there are willing to give 18 year old guys finasteride like its nothing. I do believe, just from anecdotal stories, that younger guys seems to have more trouble with sides.

    I think in 10 years we'll look back and say..what the ****..how were doctors just giving this stuff out like candy without any hormone testing or anything. Not saying its bad for everyone..but I think doctors are doing people a disservice by telling them that DHT is useless and its ok for an 18 year old to take a hormone altering drug without even having a test done

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    Re: Do fin side effects decrease with age?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chris87
    I think a study needs to specifically done on guys taking finasteride at 18-30 (or maybe just 25)

    Many guys don't finish puberty until their early 20s. I find it unbelievable that doctors out there are willing to give 18 year old guys finasteride like its nothing. I do believe, just from anecdotal stories, that younger guys seems to have more trouble with sides.

    I think in 10 years we'll look back and say..what the f*ck..how were doctors just giving this stuff out like candy without any hormone testing or anything. Not saying its bad for everyone..but I think doctors are doing people a disservice by telling them that DHT is useless and its ok for an 18 year old to take a hormone altering drug without even having a test done
    I completely agree with all of the above. Everything is dead on. I think you summarized my feelings on this perfectly.

    I wish more people sought out specialists when problems arise. Not solely turning to the internet and forums. It's ok to seek out help and support but people put too much faith into "internet experts." While generally meaning well some of these people can make matters worse.

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    Re: Do fin side effects decrease with age?

    I have never had a GP that would even consider discussing hairloss with me, for the most part I have found them arrogant, judgemental and lacking in life experience.....

    I'm sure others must have had similar experiences which adds further to the complications of self-medicating, which further isolates one from medical supervision....

    It's a double edged sword - I've treated various complaints of mine through self medicating and it can be an incredibly slippery slope fraught with risks both calculated and unconsidered/unknown...

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    Re: Do fin side effects decrease with age?

    I have a general mistrust of the modern medical establishment. This is partly due to a system whos answers for a lot of things is "heres a pill". When someone goes into a doctors office in America and says "well I've been a little depressed lately" its automatically "ok heres xanax" ...then the patient goes away..comes back some months later..still depressed and the doctor will go "hm ok..well either take MORE xanax or..heres another drug to stack on top of xanax". Its never "well what is your diet like? lets try eating organic foods, cutting out sugar, and having a fresh vegetable juice everyday. Lets also try some running a few times a week" Which should be the first line of defense. The problem is doctors and pharm companies can't make money off of you correcting problems with nutrition or exercise or whatever.

    When I was in high school..maybe around the age of 16 or 17..I had a panic attack. It was pretty bad. I was at work and I didn't know what it was. I thought I was dying. They called an ambulance, I was taken to the hospital etc etc. A doctor prescribed me xanax and effexor and they told me to take the xanax for awhile until the effexor started to kick in because I had an anxiety disorder and if I didn't follow their protocol, then I would have more panic attacks and eventually it might get so bad that I wouldn't be able to leave the house without having anxiety. I took xanax and effexor for a couple of weeks and I thought to myself... "ya know what...i dont think thats true...i dont think i have an anxiety disorder..i think if i figure out what caused the panic attack i can work through it and i'll be fine" so I quit taking that ****. I figured out what it was that had triggered my anxiety..and i learned how to deal with it. Were there times where I felt anxiety or felt like I might have another panic attack? Yes..but I taught myself how to recognize it and control it. Fast forward to now (I'm 25) and I haven't had another panic attack, and I have no problem what so ever with anxiety. If I had listened to the way modern medicine wanted me to treat this, I might be a zoned out weirdo popping ridiculous amounts of anti-anxiety anti-depression pills.

    So I'm very suspicious of doctors these days because they believe you can cure things with a chemical (except maybe infectious diseases but those aren't really cured with synthetic chemicals a lot of the time). I say that its not possible. Every single medication is nothing but a band-aide designed to make you dependent on it in higher and higher doses..when many times problems can be addressed, and more completely conquered through natural methods, behavior changes, nutritional changes etc.

    I went to one of the most renowned and respected hair loss doctors in his field..Dr. Paul McAndrews in Beverly Hills. He sat there and told me that DHT didnt really have a use after puberty. He also told me he had been taking propecia for years (even though he has no hair loss...seriously..look up a picture of him..perfect hair.). He told me stories about how there are certain groups of people born without the 5AR enzyme and they end up being just fine after puberty (what he didn't mention was that these men often have ambiguous genitalia and are raised as girls due to the lack of DHT). He told me that I could take as much finasteride as I wanted to and it probably wouldn't do anything bad. He said something like "Propecia is 1mg per day..do some people take more than that? Yeah. You could take 10mg a day..its not going to do you any harm..it just wont work much better than 1mg does"

    So..yeah..i do have a deep distrust of most doctors because they're willing to cram pills down the throats of every kid in america (we have kids under 10 years old taking ****ing ritalin for christ's sake..and its not uncommon)..and its not all their fault..they're trained in a system that rewards this and makes it the norm. This is why I think treatment needs to be a combination of a heavily educated patient, and the opinion of an honest doctor.

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    Re: Do fin side effects decrease with age?

    Well said Sir!

    I totally agree! We have exactly the same situation here in the UK!

    I was laughed out of the office by 2 doctors when I asked if I possibly had a particular condition. 2 years later and lot of picking myself up and I went to another who refered me to a specialist who ran all manner of tests on me to discover that the 1 in 1600 semi rare condtion I had diagnosed MYSELF with was in fact accurate and not only was my self diagnosis accurate but I had been living my whole life with unusually ellevated intra cranial pressure as a result. **** that's worth knowing basically.

    It's a brave new world and the only person that can trully help you is yourself but I have a feeling you and I are gonna be alright!
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    Re: Do fin side effects decrease with age?

    Yeah I think being educated about your body, nutrition, exercise, alternative treatments etc is the best thing you can do for yourself. Prevention in the form of eating healthy, working out, listening to your body, etc is truly the absolute best medication possible.

    Even with all that said..as soon as my shipment gets here..I'll be hopping back on fin (.25mg EOD to start). But ya know..this is the sickness that is hairloss...i dont want to be taking fin...I know its probably not good for my body...i dont like the thought of having a synthetic chemical ****ing with my natural processes...but I know if I don't want to end up losing all my hair I have to do it. I guess its what I have to do as a prisoner of hair loss. lol

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    Re: Do fin side effects decrease with age?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chris87
    When I was in high school..maybe around the age of 16 or 17..I had a panic attack. It was pretty bad. I was at work and I didn't know what it was. I thought I was dying. They called an ambulance, I was taken to the hospital etc etc. A doctor prescribed me xanax and effexor and they told me to take the xanax for awhile until the effexor started to kick in because I had an anxiety disorder and if I didn't follow their protocol, then I would have more panic attacks and eventually it might get so bad that I wouldn't be able to leave the house without having anxiety. I took xanax and effexor for a couple of weeks and I thought to myself... "ya know what...i dont think thats true...i dont think i have an anxiety disorder..i think if i figure out what caused the panic attack i can work through it and i'll be fine" so I quit taking that sh*t. I figured out what it was that had triggered my anxiety..and i learned how to deal with it. Were there times where I felt anxiety or felt like I might have another panic attack? Yes..but I taught myself how to recognize it and control it. Fast forward to now (I'm 25) and I haven't had another panic attack, and I have no problem what so ever with anxiety. If I had listened to the way modern medicine wanted me to treat this, I might be a zoned out weirdo popping ridiculous amounts of anti-anxiety anti-depression pills.
    You had a General Practitioner say that and not a Psychiatrist? Crazy.

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    Yeah it was a GP. I cant imagine though that a psychiatrist would say much different. It seems like a lot of psychiatrists are just pill dispensers too. I watched this documentary on netflix about kids taking prescription drugs and there was one really really young kid..like 10 or maybe even younger..who was on all types of ADHD medication. There are a couple scenes where he goes in for a checkup with his psychiatrist and his mom would say "Ya know he's settled down now during the day, but now he cant sleep" and the doctor goes ahead and stacks on another prescription for some sort of depressant and then recommends upping the dosage of his ADHD meds. So now you're feeding the kid speed during the day and then knocking him out with another med at night..and you think this kid isn't going to be ****ed up? Its like COME ON every ****in kid around that age basically has ADHD..they're ****ing kids..thats what they do..they bounce off the ****ing wall.

    No one wants to work on this ****. We're all lazy. No one wants to take the kid with a lot of energy and say ok...ya know what..maybe you shouldnt sit in a class room all day having to sit still..maybe you should learn by being outsides and running around and doing something different. Instead..if they don't fit into the little box of whats considered "normal proper behavior" they stick pills down their mouths.

    There was one kid i saw on there that looked like a zombie and had developed physical ticks and twitches from being on stimulants for ADHD for so long. Its pretty sad how clueless people really are these days about their bodies and how to fix them...instead of searching out answers and doing the right thing, or maybe being creative..the answer is just "give em meds"

    I could go on and on..but I'll stop...I think I could do a good 2 hour rant on this type of thing haha

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    Re: Do fin side effects decrease with age?

    I honestly think, if anything, severe and persistent symptoms have to do with age. It seems most of the people on Propeciahelp are under 30, and most are in their early 20ís. Some people hit puberty late, and it may not even be completely done by 18. If you took Finasteride before puberty was totally complete, I can see how it would mess things up. This might also explain why you never see any older men complaining of persistent symptoms from taking Proscar. Of course, it could be something else entirely, but if Finasteride is really the sole cause of these issues, Iím willing to bet age has a lot to do with it.

    Well said though Chris. I think a lot of the time, doctors just want to stop listening to patients complain, so they prescribe pills. Quite often, medication is not required to treat illnesses. I went through a bout of quite severe anxiety in my early 20ís. I was on dozens of SSRIís, because thatís the only answer my doctor had. Some of them worked a bit, but the ones that worked well gave me brutal side effects. It wasnít until I found out about Cognitive Behavioral Therapy that I was able to finally rid myself of the problems, and this was years after I stopped taking medicationsÖ 5 years later anxiety has not returned.

    That being said, I think the polar opposite is just as bad. Iíve personally known people who refuse treatment for rather serious conditions and opt to go to a holistic healer. After a few weeks of expensive BS therapy, their conditions get worse and they end up having to go to the hospital. 10 years ago, my mom was best friends with an ovarian cancer patient. The cancer was fairly new, so there was a good chance of treating it. She opted to go to a holistic healer, and refuse chemo and radiation. I think less than 2 years later she died. So you need to find balance between PROVEN Ďnaturalí methods of healing (exercise, diet, and spirituality) and modern medicine.

    On top of Finasteride, I also take Adderall for ADD.. Iíve been on it for the last 2 months and itís literally changed my life. I didnít even believe ADD was real (I still donít) but Adderall helps my motivation, concentration, energy so greatly that Iím a whole new person. Call ADD bull****, call me an Adderall junkie, say what you will, but it has affected me so profoundly and positively I just canít explain it. If anybody here thinks they have ADD, go talk to your doctor about this stuff. Itís just incredible! As an added bonus, it boosts my libido like crazy. I feel like an 18 yearold again!

    Wow that got off topic fast.

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