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    Women don't even like men.

    I've been reading this book lately (google it and you can get a pdf for free). It's basically a critique of feminism written in the 70's by a woman. It's main thesis is that women are the ones responsible for perpetuating the stereotypes of women as weak, good-for-nothing housewives which they used to swindle men with. Amongst some of the more dated views about females which maybe don't apply as much, the hyperbole and generalizations there are some profound insights in it.

    If you read the reviews on amazon there are men who have read it and said it changed them. Drastically. I can see why. I've seen the same sentiment expressed on forums about the book.

    Although I haven't really accepted a lot of the ideas in there (probably because of a lack of understanding more than anything) there are a few ideas in there that have kind of hit me like a freight train once I let them stew in my brain over the space of a few days.

    The main one being that women basically don't like men.

    They don't care what they think of them, they don't like them physically and they are emotionless towards them. The reasons they get excited about a 'good looking' guy are not the same reasons men get excited about a hot girl (the desire to shag them). The reason they get turned on by a 'hot' guy, so the author contends is because it provides them an opportunity to make other women jealous. They don't care what guys think but they care deeply what other women think.

    At first I thought that might be a tad cynical but then I just imagined a women eying up a guy and being consumed with thinking about how she would look in front of her friends with her on his arm. It seemed pretty hard to dismiss as mere cynicism when I thought about that.

    Another reason the author says women like a guy with a 'good body' is because it says to them that he'd make a good workhorse (he can lift stuff for me around the house and if my safety is threatened by another male he could probably win in a fight).

    Again, I thought this was mere cynicism but I fear the authors views are correct and most women are simply venal and heartless users who see men as nothing more than a utility to make their lives easier or an accessory to make other women envious. She makes a really good case for women being quite horrible creatures who manipulate men through a combination of sex and feigned emotion.

    When I think about to some of the women I've been with I can definitely see some of these qualities in them and others mentioned in the book such as the sense of entitlement women have. Some examples include a girl telling me the guy 'should pay for everything', excepting to be picked up and carted around and be given little jobs to do (which I did because I was 'in love' with her), her crying before announcing something quite serious she assumed I'd be very angry at (I wasn't anyway though but now wonder if the waterworks were just an attempt to garner sympathy for the anger she was expecting, not because she was scared of me breaking up with her over it).

    I now have the uncomfortable suspicion that this and other displays of emotion from her were totally fake and used purely for manipulative purposes.

    How do you tell if it's real or not? How? Are we total fools who have just been played our whole lives? I know what you are thinking- that women are the more sensitive types and more emotional etc and could never use men like that- only men do such things. I believe this could be part of the propaganda. Just think back to some of the relationships you've had- did she trivialize your relationship in anyway? (cheating, hooking up with someone soon after, going out and having fun after telling you how cut up she was over it) did she expect you to do things all the time? did she take advantage of your kindness and let you spend money on her?

    Men simply are not users of women like women are of men. It's bull**** when you think about it. A man might shag a bird and string her along so he can keep bonking her but would he allow her to pay for everything? to drive him places? to buy him nice clothes? you NEVER see that ****!

    Tell me I'm wrong. Please. Because if I'm not then women are just more nasty then any of us could have imagined and they should definitely not be entertained beyond sex or friendship. That would be a very sad thing to realize.

    I've also thought about the look on woman's face when she gets married. Am I wrong or is the same look on a marathon runners face when he wins at the olympics? I think it is, and it's very telling.

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    Re: Women don't even like men.

    dude, men, women, everyone is an individual. The gender dosn't make the person. Over thinkin' it way too much.

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    Re: Women don't even like men.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pyro
    dude, men, women, everyone is an individual.

    True to certain extent but do you know any woman who don't love shopping or talking about shopping?

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    Re: Women don't even like men.

    i've known a few girls who are genuinely in love with their boyfriends. usually though you only see the "passionate" love in girls who have got boyfriends who are out of their league and they know they won't get another guy like him.
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    If 30 year olds are too boring for you, you should get some 20 year old friends. They are typically short on cash, but if you supply the cash for spray paint, they'll teach you how to tag up the town with them at night, that or just spray it into a bag and get high. That will make you the coolest 30 year old they know.

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    Re: Women don't even like men.

    Quote Originally Posted by cuebald
    i've known a few girls who are genuinely in love with their boyfriends.

    how do you tell if it's genuine or if she's just with him because he's a good workhorse/improves her standing amongst other women?

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    Re: Women don't even like men.

    Quote Originally Posted by aussieavodart
    [...] most women are simply venal and heartless users who see men as nothing more than a utility to make their lives easier or an accessory to make other women envious. [...]
    Sounds like my ex.

    Women are definitely more pragmatic but that's not necessarily a bad thing. I see nothing wrong in a woman that wants to marry a guy just to improve her lifestyle (which happens quite a lot). And we men are no angels either.

    Women are bitches, men are brutes - that's how mankind works.

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    Re: Women don't even like men.

    Quote Originally Posted by Belmondo
    And we men are no angels either.

    I think the women have a far better deal though.


    Look at the stuff they get done for them. When was the last time you saw a woman out on a construction site? It's men who build all the homes and hotels and shopping malls that women spend their time and money (usually their husband's) in.

    Men spend their time creating things which will make woman's lives easier- home appliances, cosmetics to make themselves prettier, cars so they can drive around (or more likely be driven around by men in), plastic surgery techniques etc. Men make all of that stuff and they do it for women.

    What does a woman have to do to attract a partner? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. She just has to sit there. She doesn't have to approach the man. She doesn't have to buy the drinks, he does. She doesn't have to make the first move and ask for her number, he does. She doesn't have to pay for the dinners out, he does. She rarely (if ever) is the one to initiate sex He has to make the effort with nice clothes, humor, good job etc. .If he's got none of those things he has no chance. She just has to sit there and reapply make up.

    Men do everything and women expect it. They simply do not want to be independent and liberated. If nobody believes me then do nothing for your woman and see how long she hangs around. Don't buy her lavish presents, don't do things for her, don't do the type of work around the house which 'requires' a man (aren't we in the age of equality??), don't remember those silly little anniverseries, don't go out with her family when she demands it. She'll be gone in no time once she doesn't have a slave to command.

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    Re: Women don't even like men.

    I'm currently unemployed. My wife buys everything. Shes also hotter than me. Try again.

    While it is true that males are the ones to typically initiate sex and to seek out a partner, I believe that is a societal issue where it is seen as slutty for a woman to do these things. Blame society, and culture.

    Also you could just buy a mail order bride if it bothers you so much.

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    Re: Women don't even like men.

    Quote Originally Posted by Agahi
    I'm currently unemployed. My wife buys everything. Shes also hotter than me. Try again.

    If I my ask, what were you employed as before that? what are you qualifications? I don't mean this to sound rude and cruel even though it does, but there's always the possibility she might only be paying for you because she sees you as a long term investment (for her benefit).


    She could also be doing for nicer, selfless reasons of course though.


    While it is true that males are the ones to typically initiate sex and to seek out a partner, I believe that is a societal issue where it is seen as slutty for a woman to do these things. Blame society, and culture.
    yet every man in a relationship is accomodating of this behaviour!


    Also you could just buy a mail order bride if it bothers you so much.

    they're just as shallow and venal!

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    Re: Women don't even like men.

    I was a telemarketer, and then a retail worker. I do some construction now, but I'm currently laid off (I max out at about 9.00 usd an hour). She is a Nurse (about 13.00 usd an hour starting out).

    Maybe you are just thinking too much into these things. Men put up with the behavior because deep down we know that we do things that are not ideal to women as well(sports, video game obsession, being a dick all the time.. you know the usual).

    Looking past what we don't like is a component of love, no one likes every last thing about any one person. In fact I like less about my friends(males) than I do about having to work a little or waiting a day to have sexual things happen.

    Of course there is no way to prove that a woman loves a man, but you also cant prove otherwise either. I don't like "prove the unprovable" arguments in these kinds of discussions so please don't ask anyone to prove their arguments until you do as well.

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