MPB as connected to prostate size, is this not true?

[Hoppi]

Just been reading about this, as of course recently I thought "ok, so let's say my DHT has increased..... why?"

And obviously all these theories start to fly around. Testosterone levels (unlikely), estrogen levels (this just makes limited sense to me) and this one:

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_causes_i ... DHT_levels

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dihydrotestosterone

"Dihydrotestosterone (DHT) is an androgen, synthesized primarily in the prostate gland, testes, hair follicles, and adrenal glands by the enzyme 5?-reductase by means of reducing the 4,5 double-bond of the hormone testosterone."

http://www.ehealthmd.com/library/prosta ... auses.html

"The third growth phase occurs during the mid-20s, when the weight of the prostate gland increases to approximately 18 grams."

Ok, the big question to me in this now..... does a larger prostate gland produce more DHT? That would make sense, but I believe if it does........... doesn't that make sense?

Cheers guys, I know this has probably been covered tons but, I am just so curious as to what might have caused my DHT to rise (assuming it has, which seems likely).

Hoppi


EDIT -- It's so weird isn't it. Because herbal treatments such as saw palmetto are often used as they are believed to shrink the prostate, and yet have limited effects on MPB. Why on EARTH does DHT become more of a problem as men age. COULD it be the prostate?

DOUBLE EDIT Apparently in studies the correlation between prostate size and MPB severity is quite evident. This is interesting, as it does seem that the key ages for MPB starting (which in my experience seem to be 18, 25, and middle age) are coincidentally the same ages that the prostate normally enlarges.

[nickypoos]

Supper happy hoppi theory fun time!

[Bryan]

EDIT -- It's so weird isn't it. Because herbal treatments such as saw palmetto are often used as they are believed to shrink the prostate, and yet have limited effects on MPB.

You appear to be in your usual state of ignorance and confusion, Hoppi. Why would you expect your prostate to have any significant effect on MPB? Haven't I explained to you that DHT doesn't have much of a role as an endocrine hormone?

Why on EARTH does DHT become more of a problem as men age. COULD it be the prostate?

DHT generated in the prostate affects mainly the prostate, not your hair. Do you have hair growing on your prostate?

DOUBLE EDIT Apparently in studies the correlation between prostate size and MPB severity is quite evident. This is interesting, as it does seem that the key ages for MPB starting (which in my experience seem to be 18, 25, and middle age) are coincidentally the same ages that the prostate normally enlarges.

Prostate size and MPB are only indirected related, not causally related. Learn the difference.

[Hoppi]

But surely the same thing is acting upon both. Whether the growth of the prostate is causing hair loss or merely being triggered by the same thing as hair loss, it seems so weird that studies CONFIRM that these things go hand in hand.

And hair growing on the prostate? o.O The prostate has no follicles lol

[TheGrayMan2001]

I guess those NW7's who never get prostate enlargement are in for a surprise.

[macimate]

You're a ****ing mental case, seriously.

[Hoppi]

Are people actually scared to investigate the biology behind hair loss or something? o.O

Isn't knowledge power? That's why I do it, because the better you understand something the better equipped you are to deal with it.

If you Google it, the screen fills up:

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=male+pattern+baldness+prostate


There is also a study that directly correlates the two, but I can't be bothered to find it at the moment lol

[PropeciaJunkie]

Are people actually scared to investigate the biology behind hair loss or something? o.O

Isn't knowledge power? That's why I do it, because the better you understand something the better equipped you are to deal with it.

I agree you are passionate about the subject Hoppi but you have to understand that you change your ideas and regimen it seems every few weeks and as soon as you say something is working and people are getting behind your regimen, you then state that it's not working and you were wrong and are losing hair.

After that you come back and have another idea for a treatment and it starts all over again. You have been on this board for a very short amount of time and changed you regimen so frequently and to be honest maybe some of your treatments would have worked but you did not give them enough time. I use the Big 3 and got good results but it took a year to get them. If I gave up within a few month I would never have the hair I have and would always say the treatments did nothing for me.

I am not putting you down at all and in fact do admire you for your passion to cure or treat MPB and encourage you to keep at it. I am simply trying to explain why some users are getting frustrated with you because you state you have "figured it out" and then state "it doesn't work" a few months later and do this over and over.

The advice I would give you is to give more time to the treatments you use and give them a fair shot, I mean what if you did find something that worked awesome but because you only used it 2 months and gave up you would never know. Just slow down and give things time to work and then move on to the next.

You are an asset to the board and add energy here and I sure hope one day you do find the cure. I just wanted to explain this as well as let you know that I appreciate that you do not give up and keep trying.

[Hoppi]

aw thanks man and yeah I'm sorry for being so hyperactive ._. lol

The thing is erm, it's not that I no longer believe any of the things I have spoken about over the time I've been a member here. Most things I've said I still believe play a part, although yeah I think I have a habit of declaring them all with FAR too much confidence and then calming down later hehe

I guess it's just the way I learn...

I think it seems crazy from the outside but it all makes perfect sense in my head lol

Ah well, Uni soon so less time for hair obsessing!

[Bryan]

But surely the same thing is acting upon both.

Yes. The same thing is acting on both, but with an important distinction: DHT generated in the prostate is mainly what's causing prostate enlargement. DHT generated in hair follicles is mainly what's causing MPB. See what I'm saying?

Whether the growth of the prostate is causing hair loss or merely being triggered by the same thing as hair loss, it seems so weird that studies CONFIRM that these things go hand in hand.

It seems "weird" to you because I think you have only a rather superficial understanding of what's going on.