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    Deadlock's Story - (21yo hair problems w/PICS. Dut & Minox)

    Hello people. First of all, what a great website / forum Truely, this is the best place to go on the internet if your having hairproblems. No doubt.

    That aside, I'm of coarse not happy to find my hairline receding at this age. At this point, it's only the temples or front area that are problematic. Up untill recently I've always been able to hide my high forhead well with my long hair. It has grown thinner since last year however, and I'm not happy about it as you can imagine.

    I still have my long hair. In fact, it's longer than ever and I like it a lot. At least, on the days it falls well. I always had to correct my hair a couple of times by "brushing" my hands through it (no mather the lenght) but as years went by I had to do it more often, whereas now I basically do it al day long (say, once every 10 minutes). It's not really frustating me, but it could be better, and yet it's looking like it'll be a lot worse.

    I have some bad photos here I posted on a dutch forum a month or so back (I'm from the Netherlands) which I'll upload here. The angles might be bad, and I have made new pictures but I can't upload them to the pc yet, cause I'm using my parent's pc for the time being.

    Top of my hair:
    http://j.imagehost.org/view/0255/SP_A0013
    The haircut itself:
    http://j.imagehost.org/view/0586/Combover
    Front view (tightly pulled back):
    http://j.imagehost.org/view/0679/SP_A0021
    Left side recesion:
    http://j.imagehost.org/view/0960/SP_A0006
    Right side recesion:
    http://j.imagehost.org/view/0466/SP_A0003
    Front view (loosely pulled back):
    http://j.imagehost.org/view/0424/SP_A0005

    Family history: on my mother's side yeah. Both grandparents from mother's side had male patterned baldness. Though my grandma had it cause she had a hormonal imbalance, don't know if it counts. My grandpa on mother's side I never knew personally. Uncle from mother's side is about a NW4 to 5 in his mid fifties.
    No history of hairloss in my father's side of the family. Maybe a bit of age related recesion. My father himself has mild recesion as well, and has a similair hairline like me (though he's 48 now) but might be losing it later on top as well (looks thin, though it hasn't got worse in years).

    For further information, here is a picture from when I was 15. Believe it or not, this was my teenage hairline (censured my whole face here cause it was a horrible picture besides the hairline, believe me):

    http://img686.imageshack.us/i/naamloosxd.jpg/

    Might be difficult to see, but it's there nonetheless. Was I already going bald when I was 15?- is what I asked myself when I saw this picture. As far as I know, I always had problems styling my hair.

    Anyways, here is me at 12 (has anyone ever had thinning hair since their 12th? Eyes centured here as well, as the only thing they show was "I play too much Nintendo"): http://img16.imageshack.us/i/naamloosbg.jpg/

    So I'm really curious what you guys think?

    Currently, I am taking Finasteride daily. And even Dutasteride 2 times a week. 5% Kirkland minoxidil in the morning and night, and Saw Palmetto in the night or just after working out (dunno why really, is there more DHT in your blood after excercising???). I drink green tea all day, and try to eat loads of protein.

    Also, I want to say that everyone who's fighting against hairloss here should keep it up! We might be the first generation to keep our hair intact! Survive, cause we got a story to tell our childeren and grandchilderen!

    EDIT: I see the images are not working. I'm removing the [ img ] tags now, so I'm sorry you guys will have to click the link to see my pictures.

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    Re: Deadlock's Story - (19/ hair problems w/PICS)

    Many views, but no replies?

    I see the topic's name has changed. Sorry if I might've come over as a dick before, but I'm just really stressed out cause of this situation. I'd like to hear what you people think.

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    Re: Deadlock's Story - (19/ hair problems w/PICS)

    It looks like MPB to me.

    It seems like you're doing the right thing taking finasteride, although i'd drop the dut if I were you. You're too young to be taking such strong medication in my opinion.

    How long have you been on the fin for?

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    Re: Deadlock's Story - (19/ hair problems w/PICS)

    I've been taking finasteride since October last year aproximently. Rarely have any side effects (I say rarely, cause perhaps I do have them but it's not all that bad) so that and increased hairloss last month got me to add Dutasteride to my regime. I've heard it has even less side effects than finasteride does, but then again it hasn't been officially tested yet has it?

    I was thinking of adding either Spiro or any other topical DHT blocker to my regime as well, so I got the problem coffered in all areas. Will go to the docter's office to today to see if he can get me Nizoral (wouldn't know how to get it elsewhere, as I live in Europe).

    And I'll be 20 in a month and a week or so. Yes I might be 'too young' for Dutasteride, but then again, I think I'm also too young to lose my hair. So I like to take the risk. Besides, how much is 2 times a week gonna hurt?

    I'm also going to take Kelp, Aloe Vera and Iron supplements a few times a week and see how it works out. As well as wheatgrass sap, nuts and seeds. Maybe I'll even become a veggeratian (but still eat fish, chicken as well) in the long run. I just... really wanna keep my hair.

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    Re: Deadlock's Story - (19/ hair problems w/PICS)

    Did you post on Haarweb then ? =)
    (This is a big rambling post and not all of it is relevant btw)

    Man, it's hard to say in your case whether you have MPB or a mature hairline.

    First pic looks very thick, no problems.
    Second pic can't really tell, too far away
    Third pic - looks bad, heavily receded and evidence of miniaturisation. It could look like this just because you've tightly pulled back, so perhaps the image looks worse than it actually is (i.e. if it looked like that normally, that'd be NW3.5)
    forth pic - again showing signs of recession way past a mature hairline - NW2.5 easily.
    fifth pic - this doesn't actually look that bad. NW2? Signs of miniaturisation - but some people naturally have a lot of wispy hairs in the temples
    Final front on pic - NW2, bordering on NW2.5.

    Everyone is different though, so for all I can tell this could be your mature hairline. If you posted the 15 year old picture here with no description, I'd have said to jump on Fin.

    Your genetics are 50/50. Could go either way.
    Do you shed a lot? (Did you shed a lot before you went on Fin?)
    I'd probably go on Dut twice a week in your shoes also, as long as I was sure that I'd basically finished puberty (i.e. had finished growing, etc.) Beware that Fin/Dut will inhibit your body hair growth, as that is sensitive to DHT too.
    I wouldn't go on Dut more than twice a week.
    Fin hasn't really given me any side effects at all.
    Would definitely get some Niz too. Can't hurt.

    Unfortunately there aren't really any treatments other than the "Big 3" (fin, niz and minox) - and you can see from the other stories here that even they don't work for everyone. I personally have taken Oral Spironolactone (200mg/day) and that was a little too heavy for me (I am 24). It gave me gyno (breast tissue about 2" in diameter, 1/2" thick and very sensitive nipples). It also feminized my body slightly - given me fat deposits on the hips. Sad thing is I don't even give a **** about that, that's how bad I hate MPB (I stopped it though as it was a crazy thing to do)

    I've never heard of anyone getting sides from Topical Spiro, but then I've never heard of it being very effective either. Usually what happens from here is people buy Toppik, use that until their hair is too thin even for that, and then they shave it all off. If you don't respond to current treatments, you're pretty much out of luck, unless you're willing to go down the HT route (head over to the Impact section and talk to dudemon and the others for their thoughts on HT's)
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    If 30 year olds are too boring for you, you should get some 20 year old friends. They are typically short on cash, but if you supply the cash for spray paint, they'll teach you how to tag up the town with them at night, that or just spray it into a bag and get high. That will make you the coolest 30 year old they know.

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    Re: Deadlock's Story - (19/ hair problems w/PICS)

    Yeah I post there. :P My username there is Fallen Dreams. Post there quite a lot actually.

    I've just made these pics a few minutes ago. Sorry that they're upside down, I tried to change it by rotating the image but it somehow couldn't stay like that. I've just applied the 5% minoxidil of Kirkland in my hair, so maybe it looks just a bit worse but here it is:

    Front view:

    Side view:

    Other side view:


    And found a good pic for my hair from when I was 13 as well:
    13_1.bmp (167 KB)

    As you can see, there's not even a eye brow to be seen on that picture. So my head is actually giant's size. Used to hear that a lot on school as well.

    And here are two pictures. Both pictures where taken when I was still 16. Needles to say is that I always hated the wind. And even though I'm rarely on pictures, my hairline was almost ALWAYS exposed on a view of them.




    And when I was 17:



    It has deffinatly gone worse over the years though. Needles to say that of coarse. I don't think this is a mature hairline no more either.

    So twice a week duta is good then? Yeah, I'm pretty sure I've stopped growing. Could have stopped growing since 16 already. So basically, I could take the medications. I rarely have side-effects from them anyway. I'd like to say that I don't have them at all even. So in that way, I'm lucky. With my hairline I'm not, I guess.

    I do not shed a lot anymore though. A month before I went on fin, hair was EVERYWHERE. When I got on fin, it was slightly less. So yeah, this deffinatly is MPB. Maybe still in the earliest stage, but it's it none the less.

    So basically what you're suggesting me to do is to buy Toppik??? And then cut it all of when it's too thin for that as well? I'll not have peace with that I gurantee you that. Besides, you can only tell if the medication works after a few years or so right? I'm roughly 9 months on fin now, and hairloss has basically stabalised, or at least been a lot less aggressive since then.

    So I think I should see that as a good sign. Hair around the hairline is somewhat thicker as well. Then again it's a lot longer than before. Long hair has always worked better for me. Hell, I might even have slight regrowth at the temples even, and I'm just 1 and a half months on 5% minox (been on 2% since September 09 though). Been losing more hair since last month though, but this has also stopped.

    Spironolactone or any other topical DHT blocker I still want to try before giving up. Hell, I'm willing to try everything before giving up. Even hair transplants. Though I'm far to young to consider doing one now, I could do one in say.. 5 years or so right?

    I've also read before that men shouldn't take Oral Spironolactone. Only women should. So it's no suprise you saw some side effects. At least, that's what I've read. And I'm doing a whole lot of research actually. :P So we men should stick with the topical version.

    Heard something about Aminixil as well. It would protect the hair roots from falling out, and make more minerals and vitamins going from the blood into the scalp, basically 'feeding' the hair. It's yet another topical treathment, but I might also give that a try in the furture along with Spiro. Cause it's actually quite easy to get.

    And I might get my Nizoral today from the doctor's. But my question is... what does it do to prevent baldness anyway? I've used a Ketocansol(sp?) based shampoo before and I thought it might help (though, how can you tell if your also using Minox / Fin?) or at least help against the little inflammation I sometimes had, but what is the link between inflammation and baldness?

    So my future plan:
    - Might get on Dutasteride alone. For now, I think I'm going with the 2 x a week for at least half a year and see how it works.
    - Read more about Spiro / Aminixil and maybe get it into my regime as well.
    - Keep eating healthy (nuts, seeds and other protein sources, no fast food no more)
    - Maybe a hairtransplantation in the future. 25 is the minimal age I'm thinking of (5 years almost from now as I'm almost 20)

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    Re: Deadlock's Story - (19/ hair problems w/PICS)

    Hey I think your temple hair loss is pretty similar to zeroheat. Check out his thread. I am planning on following his regimen since my loss is somewhat similar to his though slightly less severe. Hope your regimen works for you.

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    Re: Deadlock's Story - (19/ hair problems w/PICS)

    Meh, im a year younger than you i take dut every day dont sweat it. I'll let you know if i die or something.

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    Re: Deadlock's Story - (19/ hair problems w/PICS)

    I'm thinking of doing that to now. Especially since my hair is thinning too much. I can take the recession of the hairline but the thinning is the worst now.

    And I tried getting Nirozal shampoo yesterday, but the doctor's prescibed me with another Ketoconazol shampoo of their own brand. My question was if this should make any difference from Nizoral? Or is it strictly Nizoral only for hairloss?

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    Re: Deadlock's Story - (19/ hair problems w/PICS)

    Quote Originally Posted by deadlocks
    And I tried getting Nirozal shampoo yesterday, but the doctor's prescibed me with another Ketoconazol shampoo of their own brand. My question was if this should make any difference from Nizoral? Or is it strictly Nizoral only for hairloss?
    Nizoral isn't necessarily "for hair loss" itís prescribed as an anti-dandruff shampoo. As long as itís a keto shampoo it really makes no difference. (Go for 2% keto if you have the choice)

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